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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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Standing at a bar having a drink for10-20minutes is one thing. Standing for the whole game? That is something else.

That’s not what happens at the SCG. They’re in that members bar all day, I was a member for over 20 years, seen it numerous times.

But it’s important to note that this would only need to be used 2-3 times per year. On average the members attendance would be much lower than the 8500.

As to accepting conditions, you mean like accepting the plan for ANZ to be rebuilt and then the SFS to only get a refurbishment as announced by the NSW Government about 18 months ago?

My argument is in the realms of what could happen if the govt wanted it to happen.

I’m aware of the likelihood of them standing up to the trust is low.

I'm not having a go at you HH, just I've seen how the Trust operates over a very long time and how various plans to do things were kyboshed solely because they clashed with the Trusts interests.

Absolutely. I’m well aware of their self interest. But it can be overcome if there’s the will.
 

titoelcolombiano

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yep, and Shepherd, who as Giants chairman coincidentally doesn't want ANZ made rectangular. They are planning SFS to go way over budget & leave ANZ with nothing but a lick of paint. As soon as Ayres finally got his way, & SFS was made the priority, ANZ was screwed. I bet the NRL know it too and that's why they are still lobbying for the SFS capacity to be reduced to 30k.

And in the process they will get another thing that they want for AFL - a disconnect between the people of Sydney and the NRL when the NRL take the grand final interstate. Make no mistake, no permanent grand final in Sydney is very good for the other codes in NSW.
 
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Some tough talk from Peter Beattie here, I like it.

State govt thinks the NRL are bluffing in moving the grand final, they simply have no choice now. Mist be moved if the state govt changes it’s plans.


 

El Diablo

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https://www.9news.com.au/national/2...ld-if-nsw-government-backflip-on-stadium-deal

NRL threatens to move Grand Final to Queensland if NSW government changes its stadium policy
By Chris OKeefe • State Political Reporter
6:13pm Mar 1, 2018

The National Rugby League has threatened to take the grand final to Queensland if the NSW Government changes its mind on rebuilding ANZ Stadium.

9NEWS has learned high level government discussions are taking place about winding back the $2.3 billion stadium rebuild plan. One of the options includes postponing the redevelopment of ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park with one senior source declaring "it's a live option."

If the government changes its policy, the Memorandum of Understanding signed by the NRL and NSW Government in November will be torn up.

The NRL agreed to guarantee the grand final will be played in Sydney for the next 25 years on the proviso a world class rectangular stadium was built at Olympic Park.

Former Queensland Premier and chairman of the Australian Rugby League Commission Peter Beattie told 9NEWS if the obligations are not met, there is no longer a deal.

"No one should be under any illusions the Queensland Government want it (grand final). I've already had the Queensland Minister (Sports Minister Kate Jones) ring me," Mr Beattie said.

"If anything happens untoward, like ripping up the MOU, Queensland will be in like Flynn."

Elements within the NSW Government and the state Labor Opposition believe the NRL is bluffing and would not take the grand final interstate.

"That's a brave position," Mr Beattie said.

"We expect the MOU to be honoured because we are honourable people."

Sources within the NRL say, if necessary, they're ready to fly to Brisbane next week and announce the 2020 grand final will be played there.

The controversial plan has earned significant community backlash and many within the NSW Liberal Party believe it's killing their chances of re-election.

9NEWS understands the release of the business cases for Allianz Stadium at Moore Park and ANZ Stadium will be a point in which a policy change can occur.

Speaking to reporters in Goulburn, Ms Berejiklian was asked whether she would pull out of one or both stadiums if the business cases don't stack up.

"Our policy is out there. We're doing the detailed homework that you need to do for these projects and we look forward to sharing the detailed homework in it's complete," Ms Berejiklian said.

Luke Foley is making political mileage out of the controversy but is yet to declare a clear position.

9NEWS understands if the demolition of Allianz Stadium at Moore Park occurs before the March 2019 election and Mr Foley is elected, he will not proceed with the redevelopment of a stadium at Olympic Park. However, if no contracts are signed his preference is ANZ Stadium over Moore Park.

"The Premier is so weak she is bending the knee to unelected power brokers who want their own private palace in the Eastern Suburbs." Mr Foley said.
 

jim_57

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Some tough talk from Peter Beattie here, I like it.

State govt thinks the NRL are bluffing in moving the grand final, they simply have no choice now. Mist be moved if the state govt changes it’s plans.



With Origin going on the road it makes it pretty believable. It would be a shame really if the NRL had to follow through, but the NSW Government wouldn't have anyone else to blame but themselves.
 
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Tbh it’s not looking great at the moment if the NRL are having to make public threats like this. Typically this would be a last ditch effort.

My gut is the best we’ll get is a promise to revisit it if they win the 2019 election. Hope I’m wrong.



Folding though will now give the labor party more avenues of attack. They can claim they’re favouring eastern Sydney & constantly flip flopping.
 
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If this happens, and the Grand Final is taken to Brisbane and elsewhere permanantely, It will be the millstone around Stuart Ayres' neck. He is the f'knuckle who has caused this problem because he would not accept ANZ Stadium being done first.
 

Diesel

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I’m sure the former labor premier might have a word to say about this to a possible future labor premier
 

El Diablo

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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...m/news-story/800d5f311eccbbc45e3b07c050615de3

Luke Foley gets Allianz freebies but then knocks ‘elitist’ stadium

ANNA CALDWELL, The Daily Telegraph
in 26 minutes

STATE Labor Leader Luke Foley has repeatedly scored lucrative tickets to hobnob at corporate sporting functions at Allianz Stadium — despite waging a class war on the venue and describing it as a “private palace” for eastern suburbs elites.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal Mr Foley, who has likened a crucial rebuild of the ailing Sydney stadium to investing in a “private palace for the top-end-of-town types” and repeatedly cast it as an eastern suburbs haven, has enjoyed a slew of free tickets to the ground since he was elected to Parliament.

After hosting 25 million fans since opening in 1988, Allianz is now riddled with safety risks with independent auditors demanded costly repairs.

Mr Foley is refusing to commit to spending money on the stadium, which is run by the SCG Trust, repeatedly basing his argument on it being the domain of the “eastern suburbs elite”.

But the Opposition Leader, a self-styled champion of Western Sydney, has repeatedly been wined and dined at the venue, accepting tickets to eight VIP corporate functions at major matches since 2012.

He also has a penchant for the New Year Test matches at the adjacent SCG.

Mr Foley’s register of pecuniary interests shows he attended a large corporate VIP function to watch the Socceroos v UAE World Cup qualifier last year, accepting two tickets as a gift from Football NSW.

He also has a membership for the Sydney Roosters — whose home ground is Allianz — which he pays for himself.

In the years prior to this, Mr Foley confirmed he accepted VIP invitations to seven other matches which were offered.

A spokeswoman said they were all large functions. His pecuniary interests also list a series of gifted tickets at other stadiums, including ANZ.

Asked about his time enjoying corporate hospitality at Allianz Stadium, Mr Foley said “on occasion I have the privilege of being invited to sporting, artistic and cultural events, which I try to attend as my diary permits”.

“The people of NSW want to know that just because their politicians enjoy the hospitality of an organisation doesn’t mean that politician will grant the every wish of that organisation — that would be called corruption,” he said.

“I have made it clear at all times that splurging $2.5 billion on two stadiums is an extravagant misuse of taxpayer money that I will never support, no matter how many invitations I receive.”

Mr Foley also said Sports Minister Stuart Ayres, who has committed to rebuilding Allianz, accepted many tickets to watch matches both there and at the SCG.

The final business case for the state government’s $2 billion-plus plan to demolish and rebuild both Allianz and ANZ stadiums is currently being prepared.
 

Billythekid

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And in the process they will get another thing that they want for AFL - a disconnect between the people of Sydney and the NRL when the NRL take the grand final interstate. Make no mistake, no permanent grand final in Sydney is very good for the other codes in NSW.

SOO will still be played in Sydney and frankly it's bigger than the GF anyway. It's not like Sydney won't be getting big rugby league events.

Personally I think NSW take the GF for granted. In a way I hoe this happens. We'll have governments offering shit loads for the GF and we'll show that the NRL is no longer the game that can be kicked around and won't fight back.

Hopefully it also leads to more effort making the game an event and having a carnival atmosphere in the city around the final.
 

AJB1102

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And in the process they will get another thing that they want for AFL - a disconnect between the people of Sydney and the NRL when the NRL take the grand final interstate. Make no mistake, no permanent grand final in Sydney is very good for the other codes in NSW.

Agree it does play into AFL's hands a little but they're never gonna relocate their GF to ANZ just because NRL isn't there. So no win in replacing NRL GF for Sydney.

Once the NRL take the GF on the road though there will be no turning back. Too many state govs with better stadiums will be bidding on it and Sydney's offer of ANZ combined with the bad blood will be behind the 8 ball. Even a total rebuild in 5yrs will only see them on par in the bidding for NRL GF, they'll never have it locked in again.
 

The Great Dane

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Hmm, threatening to take the grand final to Queensland is all well and good, but should things go tits up in NSW wouldn't it be best to try and make the best out of the situation andsell each game to the highest bidder, instead of just giving it to Queensland or Melbourne (who will definitely try to entice the NRL to take the GF down there)?

Do what the NFL does with the Super Bowl and sell each grand final to the highest bidder that meets a set of minimum standards, cause it's a win win for the NRL, firstly they have a bidding war each year and make extra money up front from the grand final, and they can set the minimum standards to whatever they want and change them to whatever they want and if a city want to be eligible they have to keep up with those standards, so for example they can have a minimum standard of a purpose built rectangular 50k seat stadium and governments around Australia and NZ will be given an extra incentive to build/upgrade and regularly maintain their rectangular stadia to be/remain eligible for the grand final which opens up other opportunities for the NRL in other areas as well.

BTW, personally I think that it'd be a good thing for the NRL and RL in general to take the grand final on the road, however I don't think that it'd be a good to ban Sydney from hosting it for an extended period of time (and we're looking at it potentially being banned from Sydney up to 25 years!), so the ARLC and NRL needs to tread very carefully here, but they still need to be ruthlessly firm at the same time.
There are some precarious times ahead for the NRL and ARLC in this regard, but it'll be very interesting to see how they handle it and if they can come out the other side of it looking like the good guys to the general public.
 
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Hmm, threatening to take the grand final to Queensland is all well and good, but should things go tits up in NSW wouldn't it be best to try and make the best out of the situation andsell each game to the highest bidder, instead of just giving it to Queensland or Melbourne (who will definitely try to entice the NRL to take the GF down there)?

Do what the NFL does with the Super Bowl and sell each grand final to the highest bidder that meets a set of minimum standards, cause it's a win win for the NRL, firstly they have a bidding war each year and make extra money up front from the grand final, and they can set the minimum standards to whatever they want and change them to whatever they want and if a city want to be eligible they have to keep up with those standards, so for example they can have a minimum standard of a purpose built rectangular 50k seat stadium and governments around Australia and NZ will be given an extra incentive to build/upgrade and regularly maintain their rectangular stadia to be/remain eligible for the grand final which opens up other opportunities for the NRL in other areas as well.

BTW, personally I think that it'd be a good thing for the NRL and RL in general to take the grand final on the road, however I don't think that it'd be a good to ban Sydney from hosting it for an extended period of time (and we're looking at it potentially being banned from Sydney up to 25 years!), so the ARLC and NRL needs to tread very carefully here, but they still need to be ruthlessly firm at the same time.
There are some precarious times ahead for the NRL and ARLC in this regard, but it'll be very interesting to see how they handle it and if they can come out the other side of it looking like the good guys to the general public.

There was a figure floating around of $10m being offered by the QLD govt.

That’s about $7M more than they’d make in Sydney. (Seat differential)
 
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The NRL simply must take the grand final to another city of they don’t build ANZ. If they don’t they’ll lose so much leverage in the future. Don’t have to take every one, take every second to start with.
 

The Great Dane

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And in the process they will get another thing that they want for AFL - a disconnect between the people of Sydney and the NRL when the NRL take the grand final interstate. Make no mistake, no permanent grand final in Sydney is very good for the other codes in NSW.

Meh, it's a glass half empty glass half full sort of thing.

Sure you could look at it as an opening for the AFL (or whoever) into Sydney (how they'd capitalise on that to any significant degree without taking their grand final to Sydney I'm not sure though), but at the same time you could look at it as a massive opportunity for the NRL to get massive amounts of publicity for themselves and the sport all over the country by taking another one of their biggest shows on the road.
 

The Great Dane

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There was a figure floating around of $10m being offered by the QLD govt.

That’s about $7M more than they’d make in Sydney. (Seat differential)

$10m for how long? I'm assuming that it's $10m a year?

Then if things go bad in NSW they can take that number to VIC, WA, NZ, wherever, and say 'QLD offer ed us $10m, what would you offer?' and bounce them of each other, then next year after QLD paid (e.g.) $12m, they can take that number and the number that QLD made from tourism, etc, and start the process again and hopefully get (e.g.) $14m from somewhere else, and so on.

If you do it as $10m a year for 10 years, then you've got to wait ten years before you can hear opposing offers when after year 2 it was clear that the GF was/is worth more then the $10m a year that you are getting.
Of course you may have to take less to start off, as QLD may offer $10m a year for 10 years but only (e.g.) $8m for one year and nobody tops that offer, but I doubt it, I reckon you could get Melbourne and Brisbane (at least) in a bidding war straight away and get more then that $10m offer, if you played your cards right.

I'm sure you could grow the value of the GF more quickly by having the GF being more flexible and able to adapt to the market as quickly as possible by selling it each year then by selling it in 10 year lots.

They're doing it with the third SOO games, no reason why they couldn't do it with the GF, and it'd be a better result all around in my opinion.

The NRL simply must take the grand final to another city of they don’t build ANZ. If they don’t they’ll lose so much leverage in the future. Don’t have to take every one, take every second to start with.

Nope they need to take it away for an extended period, otherwise the NSW government will think that it wasn't as much of a disaster as it could have been and they'll repeat that to the voters over and over to save face, and it leaves open the opportunity for them to try and out stage other places that are hosting it to make the NRL look stupid for taking it away from them, which I'm sure you can tell would leave the NRL looking stupid and not the NSW government...
And you can bet your arse that Labour is hoping that they can play it so that the Libs lose the election but they can still keep the GF in Sydney, the NRL can't let them do that otherwise it sends a message to everyone that they're easily manipulated.

The NRL has to make it a lose-lose situation, either the government goes ahead with the deal and risks the election or they lose the GF for a very long time, either way the government comes out looking like the arseholes and not the NRL, and it sends a massive warning to other governments of don't try to f##k with us cause we'll ruthlessly screw you over.
They've got to take it away for at least a decade or so, preferably for the length of the contract that the NSW government has torn up, otherwise you're just letting them save face in the eyes of the NSW public which would be a terrible outcome for the NRL...
 

magpie_man

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BTW, personally I think that it'd be a good thing for the NRL and RL in general to take the grand final on the road, however I don't think that it'd be a good to ban Sydney from hosting it for an extended period of time (and we're looking at it potentially being banned from Sydney up to 25 years!), so the ARLC and NRL needs to tread very carefully here, but they still need to be ruthlessly firm at the same time.
There are some precarious times ahead for the NRL and ARLC in this regard, but it'll be very interesting to see how they handle it and if they can come out the other side of it looking like the good guys to the general public.

I agree; this could actually be a blessing in disguise for the NRL.
Taking the GF on the road would do wonders for the game's profile nationally and, if coupled with a clear and progressive expansion strategy, could really put it on the front foot against the AFL (who will never, ever move their GF from the MCG).
 

juro

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Some tough talk from Peter Beattie here, I like it.

State govt thinks the NRL are bluffing in moving the grand final, they simply have no choice now. Mist be moved if the state govt changes it’s plans.


On a side-note, what value does it add to the story to have the reporter standing in front of ANZ Stadium? It's not like anything was happening there yesterday.
 

El Diablo

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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...m/news-story/397061fbce0362f305e3e7909702b13c

Tennis to might join footy at new Sydney stadium

  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM March 2, 2018
  • Andrew Clennell
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Tennis might be played at the new Sydney Football Stadium complex at Moore Park under ambitious plans being discussed between Tennis NSW and the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust.

Ideas discussed are an indoor tennis arena next to the stadium or the prospect of professional tennis matches being played inside the stadium that the government has announced would replace Allianz Stadium.

It is understood that the trust believes that for a tennis arena to be built near the new stadium, it would have to be at the nearby Entertainment Quarter, over which the trust has no control.

The state government has promised an indoor sports arena in the city eventually as part of its stadiums strategy.

Tennis NSW last night confirmed the talks. “Representatives from Tennis Australia and Tennis NSW held meetings yesterday with SCG, SOPA (Sydney Olympic Park authority) and the Office of Sport on the current and future needs of the sport,” said chief executive Lawrence Robertson.

The organisation drew up maps in 2015 for a tennis centre in the Moore Park complex but the plans did not progress.

As the state government weighs up a rethink on its stadiums plans, confidential government analysis obtained by The Australian found the construction of a new stadium at Moore Park would not lead to “new events” for NSW, just events being taken from Sydney Olympic Park in a “zero-sum game” for the state.

The 2015 analysis by Infrastructure NSW found there was no compelling case for the proposal by the trust for a 65,000-seat stadium to replace Allianz.

The analysis prepared for then premier Mike Baird also says: “The positive benefit/cost ratio for the 65,000-seat stadium is based on its ability to attract ‘blockbuster’ events (eg State of Origin, Bledisloe Cup). Without these events, and associated high-value memberships, the BCR falls to less than 1.”

A KPMG report commissioned by Sports Minister Stuart Ayres — and subject of a Premier’s department leak inquiry to see if the minister leaked it — put new events as a justification for how the benefit/cost ratio of the project had risen from 0.6 to 1.1

Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced in November that she would spend $705 million on knocking down and rebuilding Allianz Stadium and $1.25 billion on doing the same to ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park to make it a true rectangular stadium. This spending came on top of the $300m-plus construction of a new Parramatta stadium and $200m the government spent buying ANZ Stadium back from the private sector.

The Australian revealed this week that the work of Infrastructure NSW in its final business case had the cost of the knockdown and rebuilding of Allianz blowing out by up to $200m, taking the government’s total proposed stadium spending to $2.7bn.

Ms Berejiklian yesterday did not rule out a flip on the policy by ducking a question as to whether one stadium project might be dumped. She declined to commit to knocking down and rebuilding both ANZ and Allianz Stadiums.

Mr Ayres is understood to favour a development of Allianz ahead of ANZ, but the NRL has threatened to take some NRL grand finals to Queensland if ANZ is left out. New rugby league commissioner Peter Beattie warned yesterday Queensland would be quick to pounce on Sydney’s grand final if NSW’s stadium rebuild plans changed.

● It was revealed last night NSW Opposition Leader Luke Foley has often taken up invitations to attend sporting events at Allianz Stadium despite describing the venue as a “private palace” for eastern suburbs elites.

The Daily Telegraph reports today that Mr Foley, who is refusing to commit to spending money on the stadium, has accepted tickets to eight VIP corporate functions at major matches since 2012.

Mr Foley said: “The people of NSW want to know that just because their politicians enjoy the hospitality of an organisation doesn’t mean that politician will grant the every wish of that organisation — that would be called corruption.”
 

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