The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[AlwaysGreen]

With what money?

You’d need $750 million (total) to bring them up to a decent standard

$150 million brookvale

$75 million Leichhardt (less money b/c less games)

$150 million shark park

$150 million Penrith

$150 million for Campbelltown

$75 million for win

Not to mention the money then required to maintain them.

No chance in hell that any government is going to spend that type of money on venues that will be used 12 times a year.

The alcoholic at large is once again writing shit to appease his neanderthal target audience

 

[beave]

Were average crowd numbers any higher back when most of the games were played on Sunday afternoons and weren't all televised?

Does anybody know?

I don’t think they were any higher back in the early-mid 90’s, but 12k at Kograh looks much better than the same 12k at ANZ.

Me personally, I reckon there is room for suburban grounds in our game. Sydney is not Melbourne, what works there doesn’t work in Sydney with a central stadium ethos. It’s such a spread out joint full of multi little cities. I also understand that the gov dont want to spend any more money over the current stadium allocation on council owned suburban grounds.

The answer is to lower the granduer of the new Allianz and spend that remaining money on suburban grounds. $700odd mil down to $400mil means $300 to spread over Brooky, Leichardt, Cambo, Kograh, Penrith, Shark Park. Surely there is enough there to get them up to a much more modern standard. IMO everyone wins. f**k having Allianz at 45k, 32-35k odd is fine for it.

 

[Timbo]

Someone mentioned it earlier, it's not just a case of making Allianz cheaper and then slinging the burbs $50 mil each for upgrades - you then have to pay maintenance on those stadiums which adds to the cost dramatically.

The government is basically saying five stadiums (three rectangle, two oval) is what they're prepared to pay for.

 

[colly]

With what money?

You’d need $750 million (total) to bring them up to a decent standard

$150 million brookvale

$75 million Leichhardt (less money b/c less games)

$150 million shark park

$150 million Penrith

$150 million for Campbelltown

$75 million for win

It wont be that much per ground.
Example a bowling club renovation (total surface area) 600 to 900 square meters would be 3-4 million dollars. Why see this 30 by 60 cover 900 sq meters
https://www.google.com/search?q=bow...AhVGoJQKHX-HCoAQ9QEILTAB#imgrc=FdjSYFoNDSeRkM:

Say a Hill (it also can be 'landscaped' for little cost which WOULD increase the carrying capacity with flat terraced ares etc.
Henry
You’d need $750 million (total) to bring them up to a decent standard

$150 million brookvale NO 12 million for rest of ground

$75 million Leichhardt Ditto 12 million


Kogarah looked great yesterday imagine a bigger hill and Covered/landscaped/terraced
I could not see a local Bowling club expending 75 million dollars for their roof??????????

 

[Perth Red]

Refurb of nib cost $125mill. That got one big main stand with food and toilet facilities one end Stand without roof, two big screens, some refurb to change rooms and a relaid pitch. Don’t under estimate the cost of refurbishing an old stadium!

 

[herbert henry1908]

Stop with the stupid knock down/rebuild of Allianz.... and if it really is a danger to everyone spend $150mil turning it into the suburban club ground it actually is, and voila, we can do it.

Problem is the suburban grounds don’t have enough tenants to maintain them.

Likes of brookvale & Penrith only have 10-12 major games per year.

Wether we like it or not the future is multi tenanted grounds.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It wont be that much per ground.
Example a bowling club renovation (total surface area) 600 to 900 square meters would be 3-4 million dollars. Why see this 30 by 60 cover 900 sq meters
https://www.google.com/search?q=bowling+club+covered+roof+sunshade&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=FdjSYFoNDSeRkM%3A%2CrdD0KKuk7ZUeyM%2C_&usg=__7Oqi-20ktNz4obfmKqnO6trbr9M=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi14ay41PLaAhVGoJQKHX-HCoAQ9QEILTAB#imgrc=FdjSYFoNDSeRkM:

Say a Hill (it also can be 'landscaped' for little cost which WOULD increase the carrying capacity with flat terraced ares etc.
Henry
You’d need $750 million (total) to bring them up to a decent standard

$150 million brookvale NO 12 million for rest of ground

$75 million Leichhardt Ditto 12 million


Kogarah looked great yesterday imagine a bigger hill and Covered/landscaped/terraced
I could not see a local Bowling club expending 75 million dollars for their roof??????????

$12 million for brookvale?!

Yeah, you might get an expanded hill for that, not much more.

The days of hills running down the sides of a ground are over, they’re absolutely useless if it rains, and all of a sudden you can’t break even on game day.



And btw, the cost in stadiums is reinforced concrete. They don’t put a lot of that into your local bowlo.


Minimum standard for all NRL grounds should be a covered grandstand running down each side of the field. Win stadium gets a pass because you probably can’t build a grandstand on the eastern side.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Were average crowd numbers any higher back when most of the games were played on Sunday afternoons and weren't all televised?

Does anybody know?

No. They were lower.

In the mid 80’s most NSWRL teams averaged 7-9k


https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/summary.html

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The only suburban grounds that make sense to upgrade in Sydney are:

Penrith
Shark Park
Brooky (or a rectangular modern stadium in Northern Sydney)

All other clubs will do well at Western Sydney Stadium, new Allianz and the new ANZ

I don't see it happening though. The NSW government have been clear. Best we can hope for is that Sharks proceed with private money for upgrades, Manly move to Allianz or Central Coast and Penrith hope for council money.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The only suburban grounds that make sense to upgrade in Sydney are:

Penrith
Shark Park
Brooky (or a rectangular modern stadium in Northern Sydney)

All other clubs will do well at Western Sydney Stadium, new Allianz and the new ANZ

I don't see it happening though. The NSW government have been clear. Best we can hope for is that Sharks proceed with private money for upgrades, Manly move to Allianz or Central Coast and Penrith hope for council money.

Penrith or even Campbelltown I could see getting money, not necessarily the whole shebang, but definitely something. Reason being they’re in or close to swing seats both state & federally.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Penrith or even Campbelltown I could see getting money, not necessarily the whole shebang, but definitely something. Reason being they’re in or close to swing seats both state & federally.

That would be great! WSS or ANZ is too far from Penrith so keeping them at Panthers stadium is crucial in my opinion.

 

[herbert henry1908]

That would be great! WSS or ANZ is too far from Penrith so keeping them at Panthers stadium is crucial in my opinion.

The original stadium plan called for a far western Sydney stadium to be done down the track. Obviously with the heat the govt got over these stadiums that might make things more difficult, but in 10 years things might’ve settled down.

 

[beave]

Who paid for the Southern Stand at Shark Park?

*edit

Just found it, federal gov paid for it.

$9mil.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Landscaping a hill is the least of suburban grounds problems. It's fixing up the shithole (literally) amenity blocks, the dressing rooms where the professional players are squeezed in like sardines, the dim lighting
etc etc that is going to cost you millions to get up to standard.

 

[Suitman]

It wont be that much per ground.
Example a bowling club renovation (total surface area) 600 to 900 square meters would be 3-4 million dollars. Why see this 30 by 60 cover 900 sq meters
https://www.google.com/search?q=bowling+club+covered+roof+sunshade&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=FdjSYFoNDSeRkM%3A%2CrdD0KKuk7ZUeyM%2C_&usg=__7Oqi-20ktNz4obfmKqnO6trbr9M=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi14ay41PLaAhVGoJQKHX-HCoAQ9QEILTAB#imgrc=FdjSYFoNDSeRkM:

Say a Hill (it also can be 'landscaped' for little cost which WOULD increase the carrying capacity with flat terraced ares etc.
Henry
You’d need $750 million (total) to bring them up to a decent standard

$150 million brookvale NO 12 million for rest of ground

$75 million Leichhardt Ditto 12 million


Kogarah looked great yesterday imagine a bigger hill and Covered/landscaped/terraced
I could not see a local Bowling club expending 75 million dollars for their roof??????????

Those figures are fanciful to bring the shitty grounds into line of modern day standards.

 

[Prometheus]

No. They were lower.

In the mid 80’s most NSWRL teams averaged 7-9k


https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/summary.html

Thanks.

 

[Suitman]

 

[Last Week]

Shit that's steep.

 

[Raiderdave]

Were average crowd numbers any higher back when most of the games were played on Sunday afternoons and weren't all televised?

Does anybody know?

They were less, considerably less in fact

 

[SharkShocked]

Yeah ignore the post above, can't seem to edit posts or see quotes properly.

Annnnnnyways it should be good.