The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

It’s not really - the ground was private land, left as a gift to the people of Sydney to be used as a public park.

Really it’s a bit rough that it’s been sectioned off.

If they’re going to charge Manly for using it, it should be in tip top shape.

Otherwise make it free, or at least a fee just to basic costs.

Plus there’s plenty of public parks that dogs aren’t allowed on. Canines aren’t the public.

 

[Greenbits]

Robina stadium is actually not too badly positioned. Trains can come from the north (suburban) end of the coast Brisbane. Buses from Broadbeach which are connected to the light rail take 15 minutes. Its right next to the M1, and is a short drive from most of the coastal suburbs There is plenty of parking walking distance in Robina if you know where to look.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...d/news-story/705d8d1b2f5fee15b8b9cde3751debf8

The cost of the Townsville stadium could blow out if demands by the CFMEU are imposed

Trenton Akers, The Courier-Mail
May 27, 2018 12:00am


THE cost of building Townsville’s highly touted new stadium could blow out by up to 30 per cent because of strict workplace conditions imposed by the militant Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union.

The Sunday Mail understands high-level discussions are currently underway regarding the cost of the project, with fears it could blow out from $250 million to $300 million.

As a result, the State Government is yet to sign off on a final price for the 25,000 seat Townsville Stadium which is set to be the new home of rugby league in North Queensland.

Under the split funding agreement between the State and Federal Government, the state has been left to finalise negotiations with construction company Watpac.

State Development and Infrastructure Minister Cameron Dick played down any concerns over the project, saying he was “not aware” of any disputes and that it was on target to host NRL games in time for the 2020 season.

“The project is proceeding well, as the Federal Treasurer Scott Morrison saw when he visited the stadium worksite recently,” he said.

Mr Dick went on to say the State Government’s “Buy Queensland” policy would extend to the project, meaning companies with local workforces would get priority to deliver the work.

“The policy aims to promote the engagement of local contractors who are committed to best practice workplace health and safety, training and apprentices, and wages that attract the skilled workforce that we need,” he said.

“We make no apology for workers on the Townsville Stadium project being able to get paid what they are paid in Brisbane.”

Public Works Minister Mick de Brenni said the “Buy Queensland” policy was being “enhanced” to take into account workplace relations history and safety records before awarding government contracts.

“Our supplier evaluation will now include looking at workplace health and safety systems, and standards to make sure businesses tendering for government contracts are providing the best possible workplace for their staff,” he said.

“Whether we’re tendering for building major infrastructure, looking for community service providers, or hospitality staff, we want to make sure we’re supporting businesses who engage with their staff cooperatively and strive for best practice in their workplaces.”

The CFMEU did not respond to request for comment.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I think we might be seeing why stadiums in Australia cost so much.

 

[El Diablo]

has Parra stadium figure changed?

 

[herbert henry1908]

has Parra stadium figure changed?

Yes. Original quote was $300m, last I heard it was now $360m and will likely end up over $400m

 

[Suitman]

Yes. Original quote was $300m, last I heard it was now $360m and will likely end up over $400m

I'm not so sure about that.
There's been some rough figures bandied around in the media, with all this stadium debate going on, but the figures you are quoting I believe are pure speculation that you may have read. As far as I'm aware, there has never been anything official announced by the govt, not that they would.

 

[Prometheus]

Hang on. Talk about right-wing bias!

In the first sentence, they claim that the project is in jeopardy because of the demands of a "militant" union.

In the last sentence they use the "didn't respond to a request for comment" line that journalists use to make somebody sound like they are being cagey.

In the actual body of the article, where the details of the situation are explained, there is NO MENTION of the evil union at all and the "strict working conditions" being "imposed" turn out to be a requirement for a safe workplace and fair pay.

 

[El Diablo]

SJW to the rescue

 

[herbert henry1908]

I'm not so sure about that.
There's been some rough figures bandied around in the media, with all this stadium debate going on, but the figures you are quoting I believe are pure speculation that you may have read. As far as I'm aware, there has never been anything official announced by the govt, not that they would.

Of course they’re speculative, I’m not privy to any inside costings.

But I’d guarantee you it’s blown out by a significant amount.

 

[Suitman]

Of course they’re speculative, I’m not privy to any inside costings.

But I’d guarantee you it’s blown out by a significant amount.

Well, until we know, I think it's a bit disingenuous to be throwing figures around as fact.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Well, until we know, I think it's a bit disingenuous to be throwing figures around as fact.

Fact?

Read what I said again.

Last I “heard” and it will “likely”

Neither of those two words are definitive.



Journalists have sources believe it or not, they don’t always pull figures out of their arse. I’d say $360m is likely to be on the low side.

 

[Suitman]

Fact?

Read what I said again.

Last I “heard” and it will “likely”

Neither of those two words are definitive.



Journalists have sources believe it or not, they don’t always pull figures out of their arse. I’d say $360m is likely to be on the low side.

Look, I'm not saying it will not work out to be more than $300 million. It may very well do so and is highly likely.
All I'm saying is that at this stage, we don't know.
And, when you say "last I've heard", I'm curious to know where you heard it.
Not trying to pick a fight at all if that's what you think. Just sourcing the facts. Nicely.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Look, I'm not saying it will not work out to be more than $300 million. It may very well do so and is highly likely.
All I'm saying is that at this stage, we don't know.
And, when you say "last I've heard", I'm curious to know where you heard it.
Not trying to pick a fight at all if that's what you think. Just sourcing the facts. Nicely.

I’m saying we can’t know what the facts are, none of us have them.

We have reports.

Both these pieces mention $360m

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...p-grows-between-sydneys-haves-and-have-lesses

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/p...y/news-story/f2077b8e72f6864868adf1357fa7587b

 

[Suitman]

I’m saying we can’t know what the facts are, none of us have them.

We have reports.

Both these pieces mention $360m

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...p-grows-between-sydneys-haves-and-have-lesses

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/p...y/news-story/f2077b8e72f6864868adf1357fa7587b

That's fine quoting two articles that state it as $360 million. The govt has always said that is a $300 million stadium build and nothing more, and I even saw that figure quoted a week or two ago. In a newspaper.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that until we hear from the govt that it wasn't, it will remain that.
The final expenditure will no doubt be available in the public domain at some stage, and I suppose that's when we'll find out.

Just for your info, I've visited the site at least 20 times or more in the 17 months since demolition began. I too, find it hard to believe that $300 million will be enough. Furthermore, it has been an extremely efficient and quick build. The extraordinarily long, dry period of weather has played a huge part in how effective the progress has been. Long may it continue.

 

[Prometheus]

SJW to the rescue

You think its okay for a journalist to blame something on an organisation in their opening statement, then not make even a single mention of how that organisation is involved in the rest of the article? At best it is just really slack journalism. At worst it is blatantly and deliberately pushing an agenda.

 

[El Diablo]

lefty on the loose

 

[Prometheus]

Thank you.

By your response, you clearly can't make any argument that can justify a journalist making a claim then not backing it up with any facts.

 

[BlueandGold]

Yes. Original quote was $300m, last I heard it was now $360m and will likely end up over $400m

Another report saying it is 360m.

 

[herbert henry1908]

That's fine quoting two articles that state it as $360 million. The govt has always said that is a $300 million stadium build and nothing more, and I even saw that figure quoted a week or two ago. In a newspaper.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that until we hear from the govt that it wasn't, it will remain that.
The final expenditure will no doubt be available in the public domain at some stage, and I suppose that's when we'll find out.

Just for your info, I've visited the site at least 20 times or more in the 17 months since demolition began. I too, find it hard to believe that $300 million will be enough. Furthermore, it has been an extremely efficient and quick build. The extraordinarily long, dry period of weather has played a huge part in how effective the progress has been. Long may it continue.

Why are you sensitive about the costing though?

Anyway there’s a ch9 report above saying $360m too, a report which the minister appears in, I’m inclined to believe that figure. The govt would be pushing back on it if it were wrong.