The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Jamberoo]

FIFA requires 40,000 capacity for World Cup venues so Para wouldn’t be big enough. Also more than likely why they aren’t planning the same at Moore Park.

Missed the post above with exceptions.

Two of the Russian stadiums have 35k capacity. Unless there has been an increase for future tournaments, that is the minimum.

 

[Timbo]

Two of the Russian stadiums have 35k capacity. Unless there has been an increase for future tournaments, that is the minimum.

It’s the reverse - the minimum is 40k but they made exceptions for the two Russian grounds. There was an article on it a few months before the cup, I’ll see if I can dig it up at work today.

It would be up to FIFA if they would make the exceptions again.

 

[siv]

I’m just saying currently Manly choose to represent this area

When they should be aggressively gunning for this area

Are you looking at the map ?

You circled one of the biggest NSW harbours and 4 huge national parks

Thereis a HUGE barrier between the regional of Manly and the rest of the Sydney let alone the Central Coast

If you dont comprehend that - get in a car - and try to drive from Lake Munmorah to Palm Beach

Or better yet - try and do it by public transport

The peninsula only has 3 roads in and out of it Mona Vale Rd, Roseville Bridge and Spit Bridge

Only other accesses are the Manly Ferry and the Patonga Ferry

 

[franklin2323]

Are you looking at the map ?

You circled one of the biggest NSW harbours and 4 huge national parks

Thereis a HUGE barrier between the regional of Manly and the rest of the Sydney let alone the Central Coast

If you dont comprehend that - get in a car - and try to drive from Lake Munmorah to Palm Beach

Or better yet - try and do it by public transport

The peninsula only has 3 roads in and out of it Mona Vale Rd, Roseville Bridge and Spit Bridge

Only other accesses are the Manly Ferry and the Patonga Ferry

This is why the comparison to Melb and other places is stupid. Anyone who knows Sydney knows how bad it is

 

[adamkungl]

Are you looking at the map ?

You circled one of the biggest NSW harbours and 4 huge national parks

Thereis a HUGE barrier between the regional of Manly and the rest of the Sydney let alone the Central Coast

If you dont comprehend that - get in a car - and try to drive from Lake Munmorah to Palm Beach

Or better yet - try and do it by public transport

The peninsula only has 3 roads in and out of it Mona Vale Rd, Roseville Bridge and Spit Bridge

Only other accesses are the Manly Ferry and the Patonga Ferry

So what? Take a look at the area the Dragons represent now. A bit of a drive isn't it?
This is a national competition.
If a suburban team can't cut it, expand or fall behind and drop out of top grade. There's literally no other option. Making excuses about roads isn't going to cut it when the money runs out.
This applies to any club, not just Manly.

It would be a huge shame if Manly did fold and there was no NRL club left between Sydney Harbour and Newcastle.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Are you looking at the map ?

You circled one of the biggest NSW harbours and 4 huge national parks

Thereis a HUGE barrier between the regional of Manly and the rest of the Sydney let alone the Central Coast

If you dont comprehend that - get in a car - and try to drive from Lake Munmorah to Palm Beach

Or better yet - try and do it by public transport

The peninsula only has 3 roads in and out of it Mona Vale Rd, Roseville Bridge and Spit Bridge

Only other accesses are the Manly Ferry and the Patonga Ferry

If Manly is so terribly inaccessible, why would you put the stadium there?

At least is the stadium is outside of this area, you are only fighting regular traffic to get across these roads in/out of the area. With the game in Manly, (thousands of extra people in a suburb not built for big events) is anyone surprised we struggle to break a 12k average....

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

This is why the comparison to Melb and other places is stupid. Anyone who knows Sydney knows how bad it is

Nah, its just that the VFL arent dumb enough to put a team in such an enaccesible area.

Imagine a stadium in Dandenong

 

[franklin2323]

Nah, its just that the VFL arent dumb enough to put a team in such an enaccesible area.

Imagine a stadium in Dandenong

Instead they have 8 clubs in a 10km radius

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

Nah, its just that the VFL arent dumb enough to put a team in such an enaccesible area.

Imagine a stadium in Dandenong

Dandenong is accessible, it's just a shithole of a place

 

[franklin2323]

So what? Take a look at the area the Dragons represent now. A bit of a drive isn't it?
This is a national competition.
If a suburban team can't cut it, expand or fall behind and drop out of top grade. There's literally no other option. Making excuses about roads isn't going to cut it when the money runs out.
This applies to any club, not just Manly.

It would be a huge shame if Manly did fold and there was no NRL club left between Sydney Harbour and Newcastle.

Most clubs are expanding their reach Sharks and Manly seem to be the 2 without any scope to expand.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

Instead they have 8 clubs in a 10km radius

Not sure which of the 9 Melbourne teams escapes your catchment, but collectively, they are averaging 37.3k per home game between them, at two centralised stadiums. Having close proximity of teams is obviously not impacting attendances. Its all about rivalries and tribalism to build that engagement, not building small, boutique stadiums out in traditional areas. The big Melbourne teams haven't played at their traditional grounds in more than 20 years.

For the NRL to grow, these small grounds need to go and investment on centralised grounds, with infrastructure and commercial development around them to attract people to them. Not just AFL, the Lakers and Clippers are out of the same stadium, Jets and Giants in New York, centralising works. Get the stadium and infrastructure right and it can work, not spreading the pool of money too thin to multiple locations.

 

[adamkungl]

Most clubs are expanding their reach Sharks and Manly seem to be the 2 without any scope to expand.

The 3 smallest clubs geographically are probably Manly, Sharks, Roosters.

Sharks have shown the capability and willingness to improve their stadium quality and financial position though, which is why the conversation is no longer about them (as it was back in 2009ish). They need to keep funding stadium improvements though to keep their crowds healthy over time.

Roosters financial clout, consistent success, and I guess the 'luck' of being located with one of the new stadiums should hold them in good standing for the foreseeable future.

Manly does have scope to expand. They are the only club between Sydney Harbour and Newcastle. Unlike Cronulla, they don't have a 'bigger' club surrounding their area on both sides. But to expand they might need to sacrifice their historical base on the Northern Beaches.

 

[Timbo]

The Shire is more accessible to the city than the Beaches though.

If there was a rail line, or even the suggestion of a rail line, to Manly there may be an argument to upgrading Brookie. Union is strong on the beaches, they could lobby for a couple of Waratahs matches every season. They could compete for a future A-League license.

But it remains a nightmare of a place to get to and from, and a lot of the residents prefer it that way. Manly either needs to move, find their own money to upgrade Brookvale or come up with a third solution. Whatever they do, playing top-tier footy at Brookvale can't last forever.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The Shire is more accessible to the city than the Beaches though.

If there was a rail line, or even the suggestion of a rail line, to Manly there may be an argument to upgrading Brookie. Union is strong on the beaches, they could lobby for a couple of Waratahs matches every season. They could compete for a future A-League license.

But it remains a nightmare of a place to get to and from, and a lot of the residents prefer it that way. Manly either needs to move, find their own money to upgrade Brookvale or come up with a third solution. Whatever they do, playing top-tier footy at Brookvale can't last forever.

The NRL should give them a timeline on brookvale.

Something solid in place within 5 years or the team moves. (Not a finished stadium, just guaranteed funding)

At least that way they’re given a fighting chance to improve things and can’t say they were blindsided.

 

[LineBall]

So - would Manly going to the Central coast be the best solution for them? If the NRL eventually told them that Brookvale was no longer up to NRL standard that is.

 

[herbert henry1908]

So - would Manly going to the Central coast be the best solution for them? If the NRL eventually told them that Brookvale was no longer up to NRL standard that is.

I’m honestly not sold on central coast.

It’s obviously a much better stadium than brookvale, but I have concerns about the locals embracing the team. Central coast is a bit like Penrith or Campbelltown, lots of new(ish) arrivals who support other teams

Took Penrith a long time to really be embraced, even still many non panthers fans live in the area.

The other thing, the stadium is now 20 years old. Will Manly find themselves in a situation in the not too distant future of needing another upgrade?

Maybe Allianz stadium is the best option?

 

[LineBall]

I’m honestly not sold on central coast.

It’s obviously a much better stadium than brookvale, but I have concerns about the locals embracing the team. Central coast is a bit like Penrith or Campbelltown, lots of new(ish) arrivals who support other teams

Took Penrith a long time to really be embraced, even still many non panthers fans live in the area.

The other thing, the stadium is now 20 years old. Will Manly find themselves in a situation in the not too distant future of needing another upgrade?

Maybe Allianz stadium is the best option?

Wouldn't the government be more likely to spend money on upgrading the Central coast stadium though? It has two main tenants and is used all year round. Realistically the stadium should be good for another 10 years at least.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Wouldn't the government be more likely to spend money on upgrading the Central coast stadium though? It has two main tenants and is used all year round. Realistically the stadium should be good for another 10 years at least.

Definitely more likely, but that doesn’t mean it’ll be easy.

 

[franklin2323]

The 3 smallest clubs geographically are probably Manly, Sharks, Roosters.

Sharks have shown the capability and willingness to improve their stadium quality and financial position though, which is why the conversation is no longer about them (as it was back in 2009ish). They need to keep funding stadium improvements though to keep their crowds healthy over time.

Roosters financial clout, consistent success, and I guess the 'luck' of being located with one of the new stadiums should hold them in good standing for the foreseeable future.

Manly does have scope to expand. They are the only club between Sydney Harbour and Newcastle. Unlike Cronulla, they don't have a 'bigger' club surrounding their area on both sides. But to expand they might need to sacrifice their historical base on the Northern Beaches.

Roosters have seemed to moved to CCoast though. It limits Manly somewhat if the coast prefer them after the Northern Eagles shitstorm

 

[siv]

CCoast rejected Manly 10 years ago

Wyong has rejected Easts already

Sydney Tigers attempt was a flop

Melbourne and Newcastle also walked away from the CC

As a CC resident I can't stand seeing CC rep teams wears Easts jerseys - rather than the sky blue and gold regional jumpers