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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Pommy

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a rebuild would be about quality rather than size...

I wouldnt be against reducing it to 30/35k if it meant AAMI stadium level quality.

This is exactly what the plan should be, not pissing about with a 60,000 seater that will never get filled.
 

Perth Red

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yep either build a 65k at moore park and knock anz down or improve anz and replace sfs with a club size stadium. Sydney doesn't need two big rectangular stadiums.
 

alien

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yep either build a 65k at moore park and knock anz down

why would you knock anz stadium down if you aren't going to build another stadium in the same spot? the main big stadium should not be in moore park. it's a nightmare to get out of there after a game already, with much lower crowds

or improve anz and replace sfs with a club size stadium. Sydney doesn't need two big rectangular stadiums.

sydney doesn't even have 1. anz stadium isn't a proper rectangular stadium, and the sfs is only a medium sized stadium
 

Perth Red

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Talking about the original plan to replace sfs with a big stadium and upgrade ANZ. Sydney needs 35k stadiums not two big ones. with the current thinking we are heading to end up with 4 clubs rattling around in an empty ANZ, one club rattling around in the sfs and one club ending up with a decent club stadium. All that money for one good outcome for one club is sht for the game.
 
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Talking about the original plan to replace sfs with a big stadium and upgrade ANZ. Sydney needs 35k stadiums not two big ones. with the current thinking we are heading to end up with 4 clubs rattling around in an empty ANZ, one club rattling around in the sfs and one club ending up with a decent club stadium. All that money for one good outcome for one club is sht for the game.

Not true if ANZ can go rectangular, and install a retractable roof that makes it weather proof. If that happens, as a result of the NSW Govt giving ANZ funding priority, then ANZ becomes a great rugby league venue for big events, and reasonable one for mid-sized ones (e.g. Canterbury vs Souths, 40-50,000).

There is absolutely no justification building a 60,000 seater at Moore Park instead of developing ANZ, because the marquee rugby league events need an 80,000 plus stadium, and using Moore Park for them would deprive 20,000 fans of a chance of a seat.
 
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The Sydney based NRL clubs have, as a group, pretty much said they would prefer ANZ being heavily upgraded to make it rectangular and made the priority for redevelopment, with the SFS merely given a refurbishment. It is looking like that is what will happen.
 

Pommy

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Not true if ANZ can go rectangular, and install a retractable roof that makes it weather proof. If that happens, as a result of the NSW Govt giving ANZ funding priority, then ANZ becomes a great rugby league venue for big events, and reasonable one for mid-sized ones (e.g. Canterbury vs Souths, 40-50,000).

There is absolutely no justification building a 60,000 seater at Moore Park instead of developing ANZ, because the marquee rugby league events need an 80,000 plus stadium, and using Moore Park for them would deprive 20,000 fans of a chance of a seat.

Last Souths dogs game was about 26k if I remember right. I might have forgotten though there was some Lebenese girl in gym pants sat in front of me and I don't remember much more about that night to be honest. I know Souths got humped as she spent most of the game stood up.
 

Perth Red

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Not true if ANZ can go rectangular, and install a retractable roof that makes it weather proof. If that happens, as a result of the NSW Govt giving ANZ funding priority, then ANZ becomes a great rugby league venue for big events, and reasonable one for mid-sized ones (e.g. Canterbury vs Souths, 40-50,000).

Which would be fine if it wasn't going to host 40-50 games with sub 25k crowds. If they played the ten - fifteen club games a year with big crowds plus soo and finals at ANZ it would be fine. Problem is the game doesn't have the decent sized stadiums for the other 90% of club games in Sydney unless most of the clubs are planning to move to the new parra stadium.
 

alien

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The Sydney based NRL clubs have, as a group, pretty much said they would prefer ANZ being heavily upgraded to make it rectangular and made the priority for redevelopment, with the SFS merely given a refurbishment. It is looking like that is what will happen.

yeah it's good news
 

BrisVegas

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With the Warriors agreeing to a 10 year extension of their Mt. Smart contract, Jim Doyle has now wisely resumed the discussion of new central rectangular Auckland Stadium. Given how slowly these infrastructure projects progress, a decade long time frame is sadly all too realistic.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league...m-with-blues-auckland-council-interested.html

Warriors want new waterfront stadium with the Blues, Auckland Council interested

DAVID LONG
Last updated 14:55, February 19 2016

Warriors managing director Jim Doyle wants the club to move to a central Auckland stadium when their new deal runs out in 2028.

Regional Facilities Auckland and the Warriors announced on Friday that the NRL club would remain at Mt Smart Stadium until 2028, but when that contract ends Doyle would like a new stadium in the heart of the city, which would be shared with the Blues.

It would spell the end of Eden Park and Mt Smart Stadium, but Doyle believes this would make Auckland a more attractive city.

"To me, a city like Auckland deserves a downtown stadium," Doyle said.

"All public transport leads there, there are restaurants and cafes and it would be so vibrant.

"It could be shared between the Warriors, the Blues, soccer. So we could have games there on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday and each team would pick up a lot more fans because it would be easier to get to.

"For me, it's the only logical outcome for the city and possibly the country. I think it will happen, it's just a case of when."

Auckland came close to having a waterfront stadium for the 2011 Rugby World Cup, when it was being weighed up whether to improve Eden Park or build a new stadium.

The Labour government in 2006 announced its preference for the waterfront stadium, so too did Auckland City Council, but the Auckland Regional Council voted unanimously against it.

"A massive opportunity was lost, but that doesn't mean to say that the right thing can't happen some time," Doyle said.

"In Melbourne, you can walk from the city to AAMI Park, or to the tennis or cricket, it's just stunning and that's why Melbourne is known as a sporting city.

"Can you imagine if you had a venue like that on Auckland's waterfront, an iconic landmark, where there are events happening all of the time, whether it be concerts, rugby league games, rugby union games or soccer matches?

"It would make the city more alive."

The debate over whether there should be a central Auckland stadium is set to rage again, especially as Regional Facilities Auckland CEO Chris Brooks says it's something that needs to be investigated.

"Quite a lot of the feedback we've had is that there's a need for a national stadium," Brooks said.

"That's a rectangular one, where you can play rugby, rugby league, football and have concerts.

"There's also the need to have a round oval like we want to develop at Western Springs.

"Our view would be that this is something the city needs to think about and we need to start investigating whether that's possible or not."

A casualty of a new stadium would be Eden Park, which was redeveloped for $256 million for the Rugby World Cup.

"It would have to be part of the debate, on where Eden Park fits in," Brooks said.

"You either re-invest in Eden Park, because it will need further investment, and that becomes your rectangular stadium. Or you do something else."

Regional Facilities Auckland's original stadium plan was for the Warriors to move to North Harbour Stadium, speedway to go to Mt Smart and cricket to relocate to Western Springs.

With the Warriors remaining at Mt Smart for the next 12 years, RFA has announced speedway will remain at Western Springs until early 2019.

"We are still going to work with speedway to find an appropriate home for them," Brooks said.

"They work under an environmental court order, in terms of the number of events they can have.

"We're working with them, because we want to be able to grow that sport, but we have to find an appropriate venue for that to occur."

Brooks said they still want cricket to move to Western Springs eventually and suggested that in time an AFL team could come to Auckland.

"Our intention is still that Western Springs will be developed as an oval where we can play test cricket, 50-over games and other sports such as AFL," he said.

"AFL have made it quite clear that one of their next points of expansion is Auckland.

"Initially they'll probably have one of their teams playing a number of games here and my guess is that develops over time."
 

alien

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Which would be fine if it wasn't going to host 40-50 games with sub 25k crowds. If they played the ten - fifteen club games a year with big crowds plus soo and finals at ANZ it would be fine. Problem is the game doesn't have the decent sized stadiums for the other 90% of club games in Sydney unless most of the clubs are planning to move to the new parra stadium.

which clubs don't have decent sized stadiums though? penrith, manly, cronulla have grounds that are big enough for their attendances, so they don't really need bigger grounds. parra needs an upgrade and they should get another level of seats behind the posts on both ends. i don't really hear about many rabbitohs supporters complaining about having home games at anz stadium. it seems to bother you a lot more than it does the supporters that actually watch games there
 

Suitman

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parra needs an upgrade and they should get another level of seats behind the posts on both ends.

Can you give this line of argument a rest please?
We are getting a whole new stadium, not just a couple of end stands.

Suity
 

Perth Red

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lol alien, have you actually been to a modern sports stadium and experienced how much of a better experience it is than any of the grounds you mentioned? There is a lot more to this than capacity! Tell me did you go to the game last year Souths v Cowboys at ANZ. How good an experience was it with less than 14k people rattling around a 84k stadium? Have you been to a Storm game with 14k in aami, still a great experience and atmosphere. There in lies my point. With the current stadium strategy Sydney is going to get ONE decent modern appropriately sized rectangular club game stadium. If you are happy with the way an empty ANZ portrays the game then so be it.
 

alien

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lol alien, have you actually been to a modern sports stadium and experienced how much of a better experience it is than any of the grounds you mentioned? There is a lot more to this than capacity! Tell me did you go to the game last year Souths v Cowboys at ANZ. How good an experience was it with less than 14k people rattling around a 84k stadium? Have you been to a Storm game with 14k in aami, still a great experience and atmosphere. There in lies my point. With the current stadium strategy Sydney is going to get ONE decent modern appropriately sized rectangular club game stadium. If you are happy with the way an empty ANZ portrays the game then so be it.

i remember you telling sharks supporters on here that their ground was not good enough for their games, and they were telling you to go jump, and that they liked their ground. i can understand why people would say that anz stadium is too big for a normal club game but rabbitohs got a very good deal to play there and the location is fairly central in the whole sydney area. sometimes clubs will sacrifice "atmosphere" for other things. i usually sit near the burrow, so the atmosphere seems pretty good to me
 

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