The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Canard]

Doesn't the government already own the land???

You would think so, land isn't a factor for the Sydney stadiums redevelopment I believe.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It's a myth perpetuated by LU soap dodgers that stadiums are cheaper to build in the UK.This one and other English league venues are essentially park football stadiums equivalent to a tarted up Brookvale Oval or Campelltown.

Wembley(£800M a decade ago), Emirates(£450M a decade ago) and the new Spurs stadium(£400M) are more relevant comparisons to building stadia in Sydney.

I get that it’s just tarted up, I mentioned it being a shell stadium in my post, but that structure would still cost a lot more in Australia.

Many Sydney clubs would be quite happy with something similar to St. Helens.

 

[Saint Doc]

Yeah the land cost thing doesn’t make sense when we’re developing on land the government already own.

Wembley is an interesting one. It’s essentially like ANZ if we didn’t use it for club footy. Sure a couple of clubs have moved to Wembley temporarily during redevelopment of their own ground. But essentially it’s a $1.3 billion dollar stadium (a decade ago, probably $1.8billion today) that is almost operated for use by the England National Soccer team, and a few events throughout the year like FA Cup Final, lower division soccer finals, NFL matches, Challenge Cup and concerts etc. But on a standard year without Tottenham or whoever borrowing it, it’s use would be equivalent to how most of us would like to see ANZ used- Good Friday, Origin, Grand Final, Bledisloe, major Socceroos games and big name concerts.

 

[TheRam]

Watch this space? Now that the NRL has warned everyone that there’ll be no future bailouts, things will get interesting the first time someone gets into trouble. Half the clubs still lost money even after the massive increase in grants. Some of those have Leagues Clubs with deep pockets, some don’t. And if at the other end, courtesy of the Grand Final bid process, we have state governments in WA and SA heavily motivated to improve their facilities and offer generous stadium deals and sponsorships... again perhaps just watch this space.

Leigh.

You are kidding right? Even if they are losing money, big whoop now. With the super duper grants that they all get now, all shit clubs will do is rein in all the off field expenses and run the NRL side of things on an oily rag. Many of the weaker clubs virtually did that anyway when they got into trouble before and they have held on for dear life with crappy grants before. So now the NRL has basically guaranteed that no club will ever fold again.

So there will be no incentive for any of them to relocate.

 

[beave]

the land for stadiums I would have thought would be owned by the local councils, not the state gov who are normally charged with the responsibility of building stadiums. They would have to enter an agreement to get any land for a decent price I guess.

The Townsville council donated all the land and supporting underground and above ground infrastructure for the new NQ stadium. They probably see the whole project as a catalyst for inner city development and will get the money back later on. It’s actually been pleasing to see local, state, federal gov and the club itself (it’s paying $10mil upfront for the first 10 years rent) come together with it all for the betterment of not only the city but the club.

 

[Captain Apollo]

the land for stadiums I would have thought would be owned by the local councils, not the state gov who are normally charged with the responsibility of building stadiums. They would have to enter an agreement to get any land for a decent price I guess.

The Townsville council donated all the land and supporting underground and above ground infrastructure for the new NQ stadium. They probably see the whole project as a catalyst for inner city development and will get the money back later on. It’s actually been pleasing to see local, state, federal gov and the club itself (it’s paying $10mil upfront for the first 10 years rent) come together with it all for the betterment of not only the city but the club.

In NSW, the SCG and SFS are located on crown land managed by the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust. Those lands are dedicated for recreation purposes, but as crown land are owned by the State Government (if you want the full ins and outs see the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Act 1978 No 72).

ANZ Stadium is located at Sydney Olympic Park, which was also crown land, hence owned by the NSW Government. Management rights were in private hands until bought back by the NSW Government who have since transferred them to Venues NSW.

Parramatta Stadium, and now Western Sydney Stadium, sits inside the Parramatta Park, which is land also owned by the NSW Government as Crown Land. It used to fall under the operation of the Parramatta Park trust but its management was transferred to Venues NSW.

McDonald Jones Stadium is on land owned by the NSW Government. The stadium is owned by them and managed by Venues NSW.

WIN Stadium started life as the Wollongong Showground and was part of the Wollongong Sports ground Trust, who's land was dedicated for its use by the NSW Government. Whilst its regulatory underpinnings have changed over the years, the land and the Stadium is owned by the NSW Government and it is managed on its behalf by Venues NSW.

In NSW, the following NRL grounds are owned by the local council: Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Stadium, Panthers Stadium, Kogarah Jubilee Oval, Brookvale Oval, Central Coast Stadium.

The only privately owned ground is Shark Park which is owned by the Cronulla Sharks on their own land.

Hope that is of some assistance to you.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

But if we’re really honest with ourselves, it’s not the Grand Final venue that’s the problem. It’s one game a year. Throw in one Origin game and maybe two other games that require a capacity greater than 35,000. The game can handle the compromises of ANZ for just four games a year. Same as the game can handle one off games at the MCG or the new Perth Stadium. The big events aren’t the problem.

The problem is the majority of events we hold in Sydney - regular club games drawing an average of ~16,000. The present ANZ is absolute crap for those games. Its lack of atmosphere due to the stadium being way oversized and oval-ish actually detracts from the presentation of the game. It damages the game’s ability to grow crowds. The SFS, while better, is still too big for average club games in Sydney and its facilities are out of date in the modern sports market.

The game can’t afford to lose sight of what we’re really after in all this. It isn’t a glitzy venue for our one big day a year. It’s purpose built venues that maximise the experience for the much more numerous bog standard club games. Venues that don’t detract from what’s happening on the field, that help keep fans coming back for a great experience week after week, and venues that make club games look like something worth attending when folks see them on TV.

Leigh.

I dont think anyone is forgetting about the regular club games. Ithink the reason we are all talking about the GF is because that is the big bargaining chip here...

The government wouldnt like to lose a dozen clubgames, but that is barely fromt page news.

But being the Premier who lose the GF to Brisbane/Melbourne? That would be devistating

 

[Quicksilver]

I actually don't care if it goes now. 5 years ago I would have. Now I just don't care.

The NRL doesn't want to embrace tradition so why should I?

Take the travelling circus to Beijing to be watched by 2,500 people if you like.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I actually don't care if it goes now. 5 years ago I would have. Now I just don't care.

The NRL doesn't want to embrace tradition so why should I?

Take the travelling circus to Beijing to be watched by 2,500 people if you like.

Well given the current GF stadium has a tradition going back a grand total of 20 years, this is hardly a winning arguement...

Traditions are great, but the still need to be justified against the alternatives.

 

[Quicksilver]

Well given the current GF stadium has a tradition going back a grand total of 20 years, this is hardly a winning arguement...

Traditions are great, but the still need to be justified against the alternatives.

Exactly. f**k it off all together. Sydney would likely improve without the NRL stench.

If there's less NRL in the city we could probably remove the lockout laws too.

 

[Prometheus]

Democracy definitely has its drawbacks.

You cannot commit to anything longer than an election cycle

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all of the others" - Winston Churchill

 

[Perth Red]

I get that it’s just tarted up, I mentioned it being a shell stadium in my post, but that structure would still cost a lot more in Australia.

Many Sydney clubs would be quite happy with something similar to St. Helens.

Kcom stadium would be a better comparison. Top,quality modern stadium
25,500 capacity
Built 15 years ago for $76million. Good luck building that in Australia for less than $250mill

 

[Canard]

Exactly. f**k it off all together. Sydney would likely improve without the NRL stench.

If there's less NRL in the city we could probably remove the lockout laws too.

Quality troll.

 

[beave]

 

[sempmrh]

Bankwest Stadium, huh? Sounds okay, I guess.

 

[big hit!]

In NSW, the SCG and SFS are located on crown land managed by the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust. Those lands are dedicated for recreation purposes, but as crown land are owned by the State Government (if you want the full ins and outs see the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Act 1978 No 72).

ANZ Stadium is located at Sydney Olympic Park, which was also crown land, hence owned by the NSW Government. Management rights were in private hands until bought back by the NSW Government who have since transferred them to Venues NSW.

Parramatta Stadium, and now Western Sydney Stadium, sits inside the Parramatta Park, which is land also owned by the NSW Government as Crown Land. It used to fall under the operation of the Parramatta Park trust but its management was transferred to Venues NSW.

McDonald Jones Stadium is on land owned by the NSW Government. The stadium is owned by them and managed by Venues NSW.

WIN Stadium started life as the Wollongong Showground and was part of the Wollongong Sports ground Trust, who's land was dedicated for its use by the NSW Government. Whilst its regulatory underpinnings have changed over the years, the land and the Stadium is owned by the NSW Government and it is managed on its behalf by Venues NSW.

In NSW, the following NRL grounds are owned by the local council: Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Stadium, Panthers Stadium, Kogarah Jubilee Oval, Brookvale Oval, Central Coast Stadium.

The only privately owned ground is Shark Park which is owned by the Cronulla Sharks on their own land.

Hope that is of some assistance to you.

jubilee is a 'stadium' too now. i'm surprised inner west council hasn't renamed henson park to stadium yet.

seriously, dumps the lot of them. 19k at Jubilee Oval on Sunday week ago for Sydney FC vs Melbourne. Ran out of beer and line-ups were ridiculous. not much you can do there though considering St Merge only play 5-6 matches there now.

 

[Quicksilver]

jubilee is a 'stadium' too now. i'm surprised inner west council hasn't renamed henson park to stadium yet.

seriously, dumps the lot of them. 19k at Jubilee Oval on Sunday week ago for Sydney FC vs Melbourne. Ran out of beer and line-ups were ridiculous. not much you can do there though considering St Merge only play 5-6 matches there now.

I don't see how running out of beer is a problem with the stadium. Or at least one that can't be fixed with putting in a couple of bars.

The same thing will happen at any Sydney stadium now anyway. Truth is that venues are deliberately restricting the amount of alcohol available so that they don't conflict with the overzealous licensing cops.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

jubilee is a 'stadium' too now. i'm surprised inner west council hasn't renamed henson park to stadium yet.

seriously, dumps the lot of them. 19k at Jubilee Oval on Sunday week ago for Sydney FC vs Melbourne. Ran out of beer and line-ups were ridiculous. not much you can do there though considering St Merge only play 5-6 matches there now.

That is a problem with VenuesLive Catering, not the stadium itself. If they had bothered to properly cater for 19,000 people it wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[El Diablo]

Bankwest Stadium, huh? Sounds okay, I guess.

Wankbest would sound better

 

[herbert henry1908]

I don't see how running out of beer is a problem with the stadium. Or at least one that can't be fixed with putting in a couple of bars.

The same thing will happen at any Sydney stadium now anyway. Truth is that venues are deliberately restricting the amount of alcohol available so that they don't conflict with the overzealous licensing cops.

The more events a stadium has the less likely it will be to run out of supplies.

You can order more stock if you know there’s going to be another game in a few days or next weekend. But if there’s only a game there every few weeks they’ll order less.