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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Timbo

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Other codes have now started pulling games too. It's the venues that aren't suitable.

The Waratahs - who are literally homeless at the moment - were not happy with the surface of Brookvale two weeks ago and were considering other options they said in commentary.

When you've got the Waratahs considering pulling the pin at the ground in one of the few areas that has decent union support you know you're in trouble.

I'm wondering if the surface at Kograh has to do with the amount of soccer played on it over the summer. It's been a while since that ground was used that much for high-end sport.
 

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The Waratahs - who are literally homeless at the moment - were not happy with the surface of Brookvale two weeks ago and were considering other options they said in commentary.

When you've got the Waratahs considering pulling the pin at the ground in one of the few areas that has decent union support you know you're in trouble.

I'm wondering if the surface at Kograh has to do with the amount of soccer played on it over the summer. It's been a while since that ground was used that much for high-end sport.
Sydney FC had scheduled to play at Brookie this weekend but on Friday made the decision to switch it to Leichhardt.

Kogarah is still no certainty to host Round 2 v Souths either.
 

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The one at Nimes is in much better condition, and has a modern city built around it.
It’s not like they’re replacing a 45k stadium with an 80k seat stadium, that would’ve required an exhaustive planning process.

The main objection is the money being spent, not what’s being put there.
It would've been nice if what was put there last time could last a reasonable lifespan, which 30 years isn't, at least not if the public are being asked to pay for it.
 

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Kogarah is still no certainty to host Round 2 v Souths either.
What's wrong with it? Or is it just that they anticipate a larger crowd than it can accommodate?

Edit: I see a few posts up it seems to be the playing surface. This is just routine maintenance being skimped on.
 
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Timmah

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What's wrong with it? Or is it just that they anticipate a larger crowd than it can accommodate?

Edit: I see a few posts up it seems to be the playing surface. This is just routine maintenance being skimped on.
Possibly, but with increased usage and poorer management from George's River Council, it begs the question how long suburban venues can sustain NRL clubs.
 

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It would've been nice if what was put there last time could last a reasonable lifespan, which 30 years isn't, at least not if the public are being asked to pay for it.
How can anyone possibly make allowances for advances in building technology etc in 20, 30 or 50... even 100 years time? Let's be realistic.
 

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The one at Nimes is in much better condition, and has a modern city built around it.

It would've been nice if what was put there last time could last a reasonable lifespan, which 30 years isn't, at least not if the public are being asked to pay for it.

The way sports infrastructure was designed and built changed radically from the early 90s onward.

It'd be great if architects also had time machines but it seems an unlikely process.
 

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How can anyone possibly make allowances for advances in building technology etc in 20, 30 or 50... even 100 years time? Let's be realistic.
Is it really advances in building technology, or is it advances in fashion and public expectation? Houses 30 years old are not even mid-life.

Once again, I point out that S set trains, built in the early 1970's before aircon on trains was an expectation, are still running around on the rail network even though they have been copping bad press for some time now.
 
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I'm wondering if the surface at Kograh has to do with the amount of soccer played on it over the summer. It's been a while since that ground was used that much for high-end sport.

It is not quite the amount of soccer played on it alone that is the problem but the length of the grass. rugby league clubs generally want the length of the grass of the field to be of a medium length, whilst soccer clubs (specifically Sydney FC in this case) want it cut short so the ball moves more quickly over the field. This was outlined in an article I read recently but I can't remember where I'm afraid.

Hence with the grass being shorter in length for the A-league, the actual playing surface gets chopped up more easily.
 
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Once again, I point out that S set trains, built in the early 1970's before aircon on trains was an expectation, are still running around on the rail network even though they have been copping bad press for some time now.

Only reason the S sets have been used is successive NSW Governments keep taking the cheap option and not spending money on replacing them. They cop bad press for good reason when you wind up in one of them on a day when the temperatures hit the mid-high 30 degree mark.
 

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forget the public expectations on stadiums (which is still important) hows about legislation changes that states the % of disabled access seating, womens ammenities and the qty expected, fire escape routes and time frames expected to be able to clear out a stadium in an emergency.

The nsw state gov paid absolutely nothing to get that stadium built, sure they did some upgrades by putting in big screens and dropping 5 odd rows of seating in all the way around, but they got out of it in the end very minimally by relying on donations to the SCG Trust. Consider this current effort their penance for skimping out on it in the first place. 40k is probably a tad big, a new parra built instead on the same site would be probably a better fit financially and capacity wise, that is my only criticism of it. The stadium upgrades are long overdue.

trying to compare your house frog to a stadium, is comparing apples and oranges. The next time you have 40k people rock up to your house and want a feed, take a shit, watch a live game, let us know......
 
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Is it really advances in building technology, or is it advances in fashion and public expectation? Houses 30 years old are not even mid-life.

Once again, I point out that S set trains, built in the early 1970's before aircon on trains was an expectation, are still running around on the rail network even though they have been copping bad press for some time now.

you’re seriously going to throw the biggest pieces of shit train being the S sets into this equation? They were outdated when I moved to sydney in 1992 ffs. They earned their nickname ‘Sweat Sets’ well and truly. I’ve been to major cities all around the world with my work and used metro/train/rail in all bar LA (their metro is pretty average from all reports and most people drive), the S sets are a f**king disgrace.
 
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Is it really advances in building technology, or is it advances in fashion and public expectation? Houses 30 years old are not even mid-life.

Once again, I point out that S set trains, built in the early 1970's before aircon on trains was an expectation, are still running around on the rail network even though they have been copping bad press for some time now.

Frog, if you want to keep banging on about the S set trains still operating, let me bring this to your attention....
They are 40 years old, outdated and due to be replaced very shortly. Just like the SFS should be.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...e-for-900m-in-new-trains-20190206-p50w1l.html

Sydney's stretched rail network in store for $900m in new trains

By Matt O'Sullivan
6 February 2019 — 4:48pm

Record growth in passengers on Sydney’s stretched rail network has spurred the Berejiklian government to order an extra 17 new trains to cope with the "off-the-charts" demand.

The new batch of Waratah trains, which will be built in China, will cost the state about $900 million, which includes their ongoing maintenance. Once off the production line, the first of the 17 Waratah B-sets is due to begin running on the city's suburban network in August 2020.

The latest order comes as Sydney Trains has pressed into service half of the 24 Waratah B-sets ordered several years ago. The latter will allow the rail operator to retire four-decades-old S-Set trains – dubbed “sweat sets” because of their lack of airconditioning – by mid-year.

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Transport Minister Andrew Constance said the investment in the trains – noticeable for their orange driver cabins – was needed because of the rapid growth across the rail network.

“By bolstering our order by another 17 trains, we will make the network more reliable and more comfortable for our customers,” he said.

Sydney's 163-year-old train network is struggling under the demands of what the government describes as "an explosion in demand". Last year passengers took more than 413 million journeys on the rail system, up 38 per cent from 300 million in 2013.

And over the next three years a 21 per cent rise in annual passenger trips is forecast.

While the remaining S-Set trains will be retired in the coming months, Mr Constance said the "growth is so huge" that other old trains in the state's fleet, such as the silver K-Sets, would remain in service even when the extra Waratah trains arrive from next year.

"We are making the additional 17-train purchase, not on the basis to replace old trains; we're doing it on the basis of growth and growth only. At this stage there is no strategy to replace the K-Sets," he said.

"A hundred million passenger increase in a five-year period is off the charts, and that's what we've had to cater for."

Sydney Trains chief executive Howard Collins said the rail operator was working on plans to improve the reliability of the K-Set trains. "The good thing is those trains are airconditioned – that's why we've kept them," he said.

Under the original contract, the government has the option of purchasing another 28 eight-car trains from a consortium of China's CRRC Changchun Railway Vehicles company and Australian engineering firm Downer EDI.

And while there will be slight changes to train services in the short term, Mr Constance said there would not be a major overhaul of the rail timetable until 2022 or 2023, following an upgrade to signalling. "We will see service adjustments, as you do with any timetable, but there will not be a major overhaul until we see the digitising of the network," he said.
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Is it really advances in building technology, or is it advances in fashion and public expectation? Houses 30 years old are not even mid-life.

Once again, I point out that S set trains, built in the early 1970's before aircon on trains was an expectation, are still running around on the rail network even though they have been copping bad press for some time now.
Not sure on what planet houses and stadia are comparable. Even then I doubt many houses built 30 years ago haven't had some kind of retrofit or renovation in that time. Hell, plenty are being knocked down in rows for big apartment blocks.

S set trains is perhaps the stupidest comparison yet though. lol
 

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forget the public expectations on stadiums (which is still important) hows about legislation changes that states the % of disabled access seating, womens ammenities and the qty expected, fire escape routes and time frames expected to be able to clear out a stadium in an emergency.

The nsw state gov paid absolutely nothing to get that stadium built, sure they did some upgrades by putting in big screens and dropping 5 odd rows of seating in all the way around, but they got out of it in the end very minimally by relying on donations to the SCG Trust. Consider this current effort their penance for skimping out on it in the first place. 40k is probably a tad big, a new parra would be probably a better fit financially and capacity wise, that is my only criticism of it. The stadium upgrades are long overdue.

trying to compare your house frog to a stadium, is comparing apples and oranges. The next time you have 40k people rock up to your house and want a feed, take a shit, watch a live game, let us know......

That is it for me. I would of love to see the justification for it too be 45k. Aside from ANZAC Day clashes 30k is all you need there
 
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It would've been nice if what was put there last time could last a reasonable lifespan, which 30 years isn't, at least not if the public are being asked to pay for it.

Well it’s important to note 2 things.

1. The stadium was originally built on a shoestring budget.

2. The govt of the day didn’t actually pay for it.

These two factors together are a major reason it only lasted 30 years.
 

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