The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Timbo]

I saw a figure of $20b in tourism, hotels, catering, shopping etc but I don’t have a link to back this up

Edit: here’s an article from 2018. It’s $107m https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...g/news-story/db4c853dedff604254eeada80893c044

May have been $20b over the current TV deal.

It would be classic NSW Labor to f**k up that much good for the state to be able to say that they’re doing the opposite of what the coalition did.

 

[TheFrog]

It would be classic NSW Labor to f**k up that much good for the state to be able to say that they’re doing the opposite of what the coalition did.

So all these private businesses making all this money, how much are they contributing to the stadium (that hasn't held the Grand Final in two decades anyway)? I'll tell you. A hundred bucks a head, thats how much, the same as everyone else in NSW, including some old granny living at Bourke. They call this privatising the profits and socialising the cost.

 

[madunit]

Surely this dribble should be moved elsewhere?

Is it irritating you?

What a shame.

 

[taipan]

So all these private businesses making all this money, how much are they contributing to the stadium (that hasn't held the Grand Final in two decades anyway)? I'll tell you. A hundred bucks a head, thats how much, the same as everyone else in NSW, including some old granny living at Bourke. They call this privatising the profits and socialising the cost.

Some old granny living in Bourke, is more than likely on a part or full pension.Would not be contributing toward any stadium, which is understandable.

My State and Fed taxes go toward funding AFL stadiums in this fair city,I have to accept the fact.How many overseas tourists come to Sydney for AFL matches.They do for soccer and union internationals.

You have to take into account the number of codes that use a stadium and other tenants ,the number of people who secure part time work at the stadium, the number of people who secure work with companies involved in catering ,transport, security, advertising and tourism as examples.
The same advertising dollars that helps pay for NRL players and other pro players in the long run.

Yeah lets all have just govt run businesses, with no private companies involved .And see how we go.

There needs to be both Govt and private involvement in new stadiums ,and that covers many aspects.

No wonder Venezuela is shagged.

 

[Johnny88]

Monday Buzz: Suburban ground boost for NRL fans
If wannabe premier Michael Daley wins next month’s state election it will be a victory for NRL fans who love consuming their footy out of our traditional old suburban grounds.

The opposition leader has vowed to abandon the Liberal Party’s $1.3 billion spend on Allianz and ANZ Stadium to spend more money on hospitals and schools.
And while he has stopped short of guaranteeing funding to refurbish the likes of Brookvale, Campbelltown, Leichhardt, Shark Park and Kogarah, he said: “Families must never be denied the opportunity to sit on the hill at a suburban field and watch the action up close as two NRL teams go head to head.
There’s no question this city needs one major-event, 80,000-seat stadium to host NRL grand finals, State of Origin, Socceroos internationals, Liverpool.

One, not two. We have to keep up with other major cities or we’ll lose big events.

The soon-to-be-opened Bankwest Stadium will be worth every cent of the $300 million spend.

Yet the state of our suburban grounds are a disgrace and something needs to be done about it.
Every fan survey over the past 10 years overwhelmingly supports the traditional old venues.

We are not Melbourne and we are not the AFL.

The bosses of TV networks Channel 9 and Fox Sports also prefer the suburban ground atmosphere to beaming a backdrop of tens of thousands of empty blue seats into our homes.

“Suburban football grounds are at the heart of communities right across our great city,” Daley said.

https://outline.com/gb9y6D

 

[Timbo]

Oh god.

So Labor will throw tiny amounts of money putting lipstick on the various pigs around the suburbs with poor access and spectator facilities.

But hey! You can sit on the hill! Which your kids will love! Unless it rains. Or is windy. Or is cold. And we’ll still slug you $20 for a pie and a coke. In which case your kids - and you - won’t want to go.

It’s also definitely going to help the city and the state attracting big ticket events. I can see it now: The NFL playing an international match at Shark Park, Liverpool playing Chelsea at Kograh and a Soccer World Cup Final at Penrith.

We were so f**king close to fixing this shit and it’s going to be ruined so the ALP can win a dick measuring contest.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Oh god.

So Labor will throw tiny amounts of money putting lipstick on the various pigs around the suburbs with poor access and spectator facilities.

But hey! You can sit on the hill! Which your kids will love! Unless it rains. Or is windy. Or is cold. And we’ll still slug you $20 for a pie and a coke. In which case your kids - and you - won’t want to go.

It’s also definitely going to help the city and the state attracting big ticket events. I can see it now: The NFL playing an international match at Shark Park, Liverpool playing Chelsea at Kograh and a Soccer World Cup Final at Penrith.

We were so f**king close to fixing this shit and it’s going to be ruined so the ALP can win a dick measuring contest.

Despite Labor’s noises, they’ll have to do something with Allianz.

There’s no way the low interest loan idea is going to fly either.

 

[Timmah]

Wait, he's pledging to ignore the facilities his (potential) government owns, but wants to pump money into grounds that (for the most part) councils have grossly underfunded and undermaintained for decades?

Riiiiight.

 

[Delboy]

There's no doubt that Labout under Daley are playing to a lefty/green agenda using the stadiums as their weapon. They should turn abound and look at all the other states and their new stadia and understand that NSW can't afford to left behind to pander to an old fashioned Labour view of the wold and economic progress. Schools and hospitals is getting done now but with committees for everything and anything we will return to the 15 or so years of Carr type govt when there was hardly a bus shelter built.

That's what you get if the politicians continue to look at everything from a point of view that goes no further than 5km from Sydney centre.

If you think back, Carr and Labour promised that we would be driving on dual carriageway from Sydney to the Qld border within 10 years. Never happened and only seems like progress has been made on that since there was a change in govt.

 

[Canard]

Oh god.

So Labor will throw tiny amounts of money putting lipstick on the various pigs around the suburbs with poor access and spectator facilities.

But hey! You can sit on the hill! Which your kids will love! Unless it rains. Or is windy. Or is cold. And we’ll still slug you $20 for a pie and a coke. In which case your kids - and you - won’t want to go.

It’s also definitely going to help the city and the state attracting big ticket events. I can see it now: The NFL playing an international match at Shark Park, Liverpool playing Chelsea at Kograh and a Soccer World Cup Final at Penrith.

We were so f**king close to fixing this shit and it’s going to be ruined so the ALP can win a dick measuring contest.

It's not even "guaranteed" that any money will be spent on the those venues either.

With regard to the 80k venue comment, what am I missing there? I understood no commitment had been made by NSW Labor for the Olympic Stadium?

 

[Billythekid]

It’s all just promises. f**k all money will actually be spent on suburban grounds. Eventually ANZ will be replaced/upgraded, this will just delay it and hurt all the rectangular codes and Sydney/NSW in the process.

 

[TheFrog]

Some old granny living in Bourke, is more than likely on a part or full pension.Would not be contributing toward any stadium, which is understandable.

Maybe she's self-funded. Anyway if you take out welfare recipients, it goes to something like $150 a head for everyone else. Take out kids it goes to $250 a head. The point remains those people who pay state taxes (including GST) are paying for private enterprise (including the NRL and other football bodies, and TV stations) to make a profit, which it is argued they cannot do without the taxpayers paying for it, and yet those making the windfall only pay as much as everyone else. They are also paying for the likes of Nick Politis and Alan Jones to enjoy sumptuous corporate facilities. This is why publicly funded stadiums are controversial. They are becoming so even in the US. Those who benefit the most are not those who pay the most.

 

[TheFrog]

15 or so years of Carr type govt when there was hardly a bus shelter built.

The M7 cycleway was built during that period, and at a cost of not a cent to taxpayers. This is the sort of sporting infrastructure the community needs.

 

[TheFrog]

Wait, he's pledging to ignore the facilities his (potential) government owns, but wants to pump money into grounds that (for the most part) councils have grossly underfunded and undermaintained for decades?

Riiiiight.

You've got to realise councils are not free to charge ratepayers whatever they like, their income is pretty much pegged by the state government. They are also charged with building and maintaining local roads, whereas the users of same are taxed by other levels of Government. What it amounts to is that local sporting grounds, especially the high end ones we are talking about here, rely largely on whatever grants they can get from state and federal governments, usually as part of pork barrelling at election time. I can tell you, this does not buy a brand spanking new stadium every 30 years. Not even close. Penrith last got a few bob spent on it as a Howard election bribe around the mid '00s.

Of course if the constituents of these local government bodies weren't being repeatedly put upon to pay for the home grounds of wealthy football clubs outside their area, clubs that routinely buy premierships, they might be in a better position to chip in for their own.

 

[taipan]

Maybe she's self-funded. Anyway if you take out welfare recipients, it goes to something like $150 a head for everyone else. Take out kids it goes to $250 a head. The point remains those people who pay state taxes (including GST) are paying for private enterprise (including the NRL and other football bodies, and TV stations) to make a profit, which it is argued they cannot do without the taxpayers paying for it, and yet those making the windfall only pay as much as everyone else. They are also paying for the likes of Nick Politis and Alan Jones to enjoy sumptuous corporate facilities. This is why publicly funded stadiums are controversial. They are becoming so even in the US. Those who benefit the most are not those who pay the most.

If stadiums were for single usage,I'd agree with you.

The so called profits that football codes make go back into the game at grassroots or employing people using in community health programs, which benefit all youth, male and female.

And all these private enterprises pay tax on profits ,which pay for stadiums etc.Bloated public depts suck a lot of tax payer monies, and I'm excluding police, armed services, hospital staff, public transport and teaching, all necessities.

60% of Oz's workforce comes from the private sector.
Company tax,provisional tax, land tax etc,GST all goes into Govt coffers.

I'm no fan of Alan Jones dislike him as much as I do FitzSimons, but a hell of a lot of business people ,work or have worked their rings off to grow their organisations.Employ more staff and as a result make a profit so they can pay tax and yes enjoy the fruits of their hard work.

However, publicly funded stadiums are there in all their glory in Melbourne,Adelaide and Perth, and people get on with life.

Well if you're so concerned about people getting sumptuous facilities, let's get rid of all politicians ,they get all the benefits of decent pensions, allowances all paid for by us mugs.Even though quite a few are bleeding incompetent.
And get rid of the unrepresentative swill in the Senate, again taxpayers fork out to feather their nests.

And Art galleries ,museums,Opera Houses ,all receive Govt grants .Hardly used by the local masses every week.And that includes the granny from Bourke.

Those who benefit the most are the people who use them.
Else they'd all be sitting on logs watching games in 19th century arenas..
And that includes people who are incapacitated and need special access to stadiums.

ANZ should never have been kept oval, and the AFL told to p*ss off ,as rectangular was the original intent.Saving a hell of a lot of money out of the State coffers..

Allianz needed something done.In both cases people did not attend in numbers due to unsuitability for the rectangular sports or just plain past its use by date in terms of facilities and safety.

 

[TheFrog]

Allianz needed something done.

A mid-life upgrade, like train carriages get at the same age. Parramatta could have had likewise, but that horse has well and truly bolted now.

 

[taipan]

A mid-life upgrade, like train carriages get at the same age. Parramatta could have had likewise, but that horse has well and truly bolted now.

Whatever.I'm no quantity surveyor, but it needed dragging into the 21st Century.

Yet it's OK to send huge sums on Art Gallery extensions, for a huge sum.

Maybe Carr could have got the F6 moving only just getting movement, but was too concerned about his Maroubra electorate and the scenic walkways, which I have used.

It was Ok for a "broke" Labor Govt ATT to put money into GWS at Blacktown and Spotless, fpr a Jonny come lately team.

It's Ok for Penrith to have poker machines which hit the poorer end of the community including grannies ,but those damn Govts should not spend big money on new stadiums, even though large numbers of people from footballing codes, to entertainment fans will utilise these facilities.

 

[TheFrog]

It's Ok for Penrith to have poker machines

If it were only Penrith we could buy the premiership every year.

 

[herbert henry1908]

A mid-life upgrade, like train carriages get at the same age. Parramatta could have had likewise, but that horse has well and truly bolted now.

It’s been covered before, but upgrading these stadiums would not be an easy task. It would involve major structural work.

Typically when a stadium gets an upgrade, it’s in the form of a new grandstand. I actually can’t think of a major stadium that’s had a significant upgrade to an existing structure.

Penrith upgraded its western stand to add more corporate boxes. But it’s not a major stadium.

I suppose Suncorp incorporated an existing stand into the rebuild, that might be the closest. But that existing stand was only a few years old iirc.

 

[taipan]

If it were only Penrith we could buy the premiership every year.

But the 5 year, 10 year ,15 year Gus plan, was supposed to do just that.