The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[gallagher]

No games there.

You can foster a junior area without games. Currently the tigers are spread too thin in regards to home games. They need a clear home.

It sticks out like dogs balls doesnt it.

 

[Timbo]

So everyone is happy to cop the 10k-12k crowds that Campbelltown provides? I can't see the clubs owners waiting that long. I expect they will make a permanent move to Bankwest soon.

No, of course not - I just think there needs to be an aggressive presence in the south-west to counter the new A-League franchise and given that that the Tigers have been there for twenty years, who else can it be?

This is the redevelopment plan the A-League franchise wants for Campbelltown:

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/south-west-sydney-bid-s-dream-arena-unveiled

If that were to come to fruition, you can't simply cede the region to soccer. The league and/or the Tigers should chip in a small amount of money towards the arena (think what the AFL did to keep ANZ a rectangle) and committing to four games a year there. Play their eight highest drawing matches at BankWest and play the Titans/Raiders/Pirates/Bombers/Knights/Cowboys at new Campbelltown.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I would guess there’s a lot more new migrants in the SW with no loyalties. Sure you might not win the parents over but the kids will be parents in a few years and Tigers should be trying to win those over.

The thing is it’ll take 20 years, do the tigers have that time? And that’s being there full time. Part time it may never happen.

The smart move is BankWest & still look after the Campbelltown juniors.

 

[herbert henry1908]

No, of course not - I just think there needs to be an aggressive presence in the south-west to counter the new A-League franchise and given that that the Tigers have been there for twenty years, who else can it be?

This is the redevelopment plan the A-League franchise wants for Campbelltown:

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/south-west-sydney-bid-s-dream-arena-unveiled

If that were to come to fruition, you can't simply cede the region to soccer. The league and/or the Tigers should chip in a small amount of money towards the arena (think what the AFL did to keep ANZ a rectangle) and committing to four games a year there. Play their eight highest drawing matches at BankWest and play the Titans/Raiders/Pirates/Bombers/Knights/Cowboys at new Campbelltown.

The Aleague is a lot of trouble, I don’t think we need to counter them at all. Do we put a team on the central coast to counter them? Of course not.

The NRL shouldn’t be making any decisions in the context of countering such small opposition.

To me it’s bad for the tigers to have 3 home venues, you can’t build regular support like that.

Now if they somehow manage to build a new stadium at Campbelltown I’d look at it differently, then you’d probably leave Leichhardt. But that’s a huge if. I see this Aleague team struggling to get more than 6-7k to games.

 

[big hit!]

Because Wests Campbelltown do not own the Wests Tigers, Wests Ashfield does and they are 2 separate organisations. Wests Ashfield own 75% of the club with the other 25% owned by Balmain. Ashfield are in discussion to amalgamate with Balmain, which will give them 100% ownership of the club

is it wests campbelltown that used to fund the western suburbs junior league? the junior league went into administration recently. and given how shit their rep teams (mattys, ball) are going and have been last few seasons, it appears the junior development program out there is fairly shit house.

 

[Timbo]

The Aleague is a lot of trouble, I don’t think we need to counter them at all. Do we put a team on the central coast to counter them? Of course not.

The NRL shouldn’t be making any decisions in the context of countering such small opposition.

To me it’s bad for the tigers to have 3 home venues, you can’t build regular support like that.

Now if they somehow manage to build a new stadium at Campbelltown I’d look at it differently, then you’d probably leave Leichhardt. But that’s a huge if. I see this Aleague team struggling to get more than 6-7k to games.

That’s true. But, whilst I am supportive of the Tigers making a home out of BankWest I still think a presence in the South-West is needed. I also don’t see much of a presence for Leichardt moving forward beyond NSW Cup.

 

[Game_Breaker]

That’s true. But, whilst I am supportive of the Tigers making a home out of BankWest I still think a presence in the South-West is needed. I also don’t see much of a presence for Leichardt moving forward beyond NSW Cup.

Plenty of bulldogs jerseys in Liverpool area

 

[herbert henry1908]

That’s true. But, whilst I am supportive of the Tigers making a home out of BankWest I still think a presence in the South-West is needed. I also don’t see much of a presence for Leichardt moving forward beyond NSW Cup.

I just see Campbelltown as a place you need 100% commitment for it to work. People will realise they’re being given the crappy games, they won’t commit to the club.

Cultivate the juniors, but play at BankWest. There’s a pretty decent connection between MacArthur region & Parramatta via the M7 & trains.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Gus can say whatever he wants, but as long as it's a single tenant stadium I don't think the state government will be slinging the Panthers a quarter of a bill for a stadium just for them to use.

Yeh, Pathers have been "saying" stuff like this for a decade....

They had 2 chances to get a decent ground funded (First when they tried to buy WSW and play them out of Penrith, Second when NSW Gov offered to fund a WS stadium and Blacktown was an option).

Unless you can convince the voting public that Penrith is NOT Sydney, but in fact regional NSW, i dont see Penrith getting gov funding with only one team.

 

[adamkungl]

I just see Campbelltown as a place you need 100% commitment for it to work. People will realise they’re being given the crappy games, they won’t commit to the club.

Cultivate the juniors, but play at BankWest. There’s a pretty decent connection between MacArthur region & Parramatta via the M7 & trains.

I think Tigers best option is full time at WSS. It's tough to make that call but their numbers will grow despite the fan outcry. There is obviously a good chunk of Balmain fans who don't go to Ctown and vice versa. The 3 way split is limiting, Parramatta is ideally positioned to lock the Tigers in as the premier All-Western Sydney club.

Penrith: Penrith
Bankwest: Parra + Wests
ANZ: Bulldogs + Souths
SFS: Roosters (+ potentially Souths)
Wollongong: Dragons
Gosford: Sea Eagles/Bears

Am i forgetting anyone?

 

[herbert henry1908]

I think Tigers best option is full time at WSS. It's tough to make that call but their numbers will grow despite the fan outcry. There is obviously a good chunk of Balmain fans who don't go to Ctown and vice versa. The 3 way split is limiting, Parramatta is ideally positioned to lock the Tigers in as the premier All-Western Sydney club.

Agree, they’re the obvious club to represent the wider west. Basing themselves centrally at parramatta gives the best access to as many as possible.

In the coming decade there’s also going to be excellent public transport links between the inner west & parramatta via the metro. People will be there in 15 mins.

 

[Quicksilver]

Unless they play games elsewhere they'll be Parramatta 2.

 

[Timbo]

Agree, they’re the obvious club to represent the wider west. Basing themselves centrally at parramatta gives the best access to as many as possible.

In the coming decade there’s also going to be excellent public transport links between the inner west & parramatta via the metro. People will be there in 15 mins.

I agree that if they choose to pick and stick with a venue it should be BankWest. I'd abandon Leichardt almost immediately. My thoughts on C'Town are pretty clear from earlier posts, but to be clear that is also contingent on that being re-built into a boutique stadium to improve fan experience. But BankWest is their best option.

 

[Timbo]

I think Tigers best option is full time at WSS. It's tough to make that call but their numbers will grow despite the fan outcry. There is obviously a good chunk of Balmain fans who don't go to Ctown and vice versa. The 3 way split is limiting, Parramatta is ideally positioned to lock the Tigers in as the premier All-Western Sydney club.

Penrith: Penrith
Bankwest: Parra + Wests
ANZ: Bulldogs + Souths
SFS: Roosters (+ potentially Souths)
Wollongong: Dragons
Gosford: Sea Eagles/Bears

Am i forgetting anyone?

This is a point that I think is worth considering - the Dragons becoming full-time out of Wollongong, especially as the South Coast's population booms.

If Wollongong could get the funds to become a 25,000 seater - which is not too far off as is - it could be a really good thing for league and the club moving forward. You could potentially let them do a 10.5/1.5 split - play their derby game against the Sharks (or Bunnies - depends on who is travelling better and will draw the bigger crowd) back at the SFS every season and every second season hosting the ANZAC Day game at the SFS.

 

[franklin2323]

Unless they play games elsewhere they'll be Parramatta 2.

Better then being Known as Perth. The 3 home grounds is just dumb and not really fixing their issues.

 

[Captain Apollo]

This is a point that I think is worth considering - the Dragons becoming full-time out of Wollongong, especially as the South Coast's population booms.

If Wollongong could get the funds to become a 25,000 seater - which is not too far off as is - it could be a really good thing for league and the club moving forward. You could potentially let them do a 10.5/1.5 split - play their derby game against the Sharks (or Bunnies - depends on who is travelling better and will draw the bigger crowd) back at the SFS every season and every second season hosting the ANZAC Day game at the SFS.

Dragons won't wind up fulltime out of Wollongong as it is the St George end providing the finances. If they moved to Wollongong I could not see the St George end continuing to do that.

 

[franklin2323]

This is a point that I think is worth considering - the Dragons becoming full-time out of Wollongong, especially as the South Coast's population booms.

If Wollongong could get the funds to become a 25,000 seater - which is not too far off as is - it could be a really good thing for league and the club moving forward. You could potentially let them do a 10.5/1.5 split - play their derby game against the Sharks (or Bunnies - depends on who is travelling better and will draw the bigger crowd) back at the SFS every season and every second season hosting the ANZAC Day game at the SFS.

Is the funds there down in the Gong? I remember Illawarra bringing the juniors and Dragons the money to the joint venture

 

[Timbo]

Is the funds there down in the Gong? I remember Illawarra bringing the juniors and Dragons the money to the joint venture

Dragons won't wind up fulltime out of Wollongong as it is the St George end providing the finances. If they moved to Wollongong I could not see the St George end continuing to do that.

I take the point, but Kogarah won't be able to continue as a first-grade ground forever. It just depends on how many the Dragons want to take to the SFS.

 

[adamkungl]

Dragons won't wind up fulltime out of Wollongong as it is the St George end providing the finances. If they moved to Wollongong I could not see the St George end continuing to do that.

With WIN owning a 50% share in the club that may not always be the case.

 

[franklin2323]

I take the point, but Kogarah won't be able to continue as a first-grade ground forever. It just depends on how many the Dragons want to take to the SFS.

Then that comes to WIN to either own the whole club or get Wollongong mates on board to make it viable.

Penrith have spread over the mountains.
Get the WT moving to Campbelltown
Dragons down to Wollongong spreads the teams out more.
With Dragons gone Sharks have the South to themselves

Still not sure how to spread Manly given Roosters have Central coast but given the Govt is funding an academy you'd think they'd need to be still in the area.