The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Perth Red]

Yeah exactly. Looks bad on the books but eventually it pays off. even 10 years ago there was more Dogs, Parra etc fans in Penrith than Panthers. Slowly it is changing

Also you have to justify the pokie dens, Investment in jnr sport is one of those justifications. It isnt the NRL FC operations paying for juniors, its the pokie machines.

 

[bazza]

Penrith's catchment goes too Katoomba. An hour drive to Penrith. One of the areas growing junior wise is the Hawkesbury. Pitt Town which doubled is 40min drive to Penrith.

At least you can get a train directly from Richmond/Windsor to Parramatta

 

[bazza]

Spending a million a junior’s, is the best investment. So many of them juniors will be life long fans. In 10 years, Penrith will probably have more members than any other nsw club.

Why would the juniors not support the same team as their parents?

 

[Perth Red]

At least you can get a train directly from Richmond/Windsor to Parramatta

Yeh I would have thought areas like Blacktown (350k) would be one of main panthers fans catchment for attending games and these sit in between Panthers stadium and Bankwest. Penrith popualtion (200k) is clearly the other and would sit furhter west.

Be interesting to see where majority of attending Panthers fans do actually geographically come from.

 

[Suitman]

Problem is it cant. You need to get well over 16k for big games to avg out the well under 16k for small games, weather effected games or times the club is performing poorly. Looking at this shot Id be surprised if there is more than 4-5k seats that actually have cover over them and they are sat a long way back from the action.

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Geez, look how poor the rake is in the eastern stand and concourse!!

 

[thorson1987]

Spot on! Jerryworld in Dallas was US$1.3 billion to build 10 years ago and that doesn’t even have a retractable pitch.

Does have a big f**k off screen though.

 

[franklin2323]

Also you have to justify the pokie dens, Investment in jnr sport is one of those justifications. It isnt the NRL FC operations paying for juniors, its the pokie machines.

Nope pokies pay for stuff like this:

https://westernweekender.com.au/2018/03/luxury-living-planned-for-panthers-site/
https://penrith.panthers.com.au/building-panther-pride/the-royce-retirement-village/
https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/...stern-sydney-community-and-conference-centre/

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I think in that animation, it's just something for the screen. They cannot have seating in the southern end due to space, access and safety restrictions. So they'd just leave that space and the palm trees alone and work more on the north stand's second tier and corners which would equal roughly to around 28-28.5K.

The thing shown in the render is a demountable stage for concerts etc. definitely not enough room there for stands without getting rid of the palm trees and even then anything of a decent size would have to be cantelevered over the highway.

 

[Perth Red]

Nope pokies pay for stuff like this:

https://westernweekender.com.au/2018/03/luxury-living-planned-for-panthers-site/
https://penrith.panthers.com.au/building-panther-pride/the-royce-retirement-village/
https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/...stern-sydney-community-and-conference-centre/

Nope, developers and investors are mostly paying for those projects. jnr sport in the panthers district gets $250k directly from Panthers group and whatever the NRL panthers spend on jnrs which is covered by the $5mill the panthers group gives to the NRL club to cover its losses.

 

[siv]

Some of the stadium ideas here have the rebuild of ANZ into the 2 - 3 billion dollar range. A fully covered, twin retractable pitch, 80000 seat stadium is wildly expensive.

A full roof adds in the region of 50% to the cost. Huge cantilevered spans a really really exxy. + you need a least some way of getting air in and out if not a complete aircon system. Yikes

A fully enclosed sfs would be easily $1b. You can’t use the clear plastic in Australia. People would fry and no amount of aircon would help.

The huge spans you mention to hold the roof - were built as part of the 2000 Olympics. They are currently designed to hold a retractable roof

 

[siv]

All that's fair enough and valid concerns. I'm just saying that to my mind there is no example of a stadium redeveloping to reduce the number of corporate seats.

We now have our first stadoum.where one side of the field is all corporate boxes

A bit like a Harry Potter Quidich game

But if the Eastern side adopts the same structure in a future stadium

You may need to pay $20k for 15 tickets

 

[franklin2323]

Nope, developers and investors are mostly paying for those projects. jnr sport in the panthers district gets $250k directly from Panthers group and whatever the NRL panthers spend on jnrs which is covered by the $5mill the panthers group gives to the NRL club to cover its losses.

It burns you up inside that no Sydney team will go under. Parra Leagues, Sharks, Panthers will all be flying once development is finished

 

[Quidgybo]

The thing shown in the render is a demountable stage for concerts etc. definitely not enough room there for stands without getting rid of the palm trees and even then anything of a decent size would have to be cantelevered over the highway.

A small, steep lower tier the size of BankWest would surely fit. Especially if the concourse feeding it was at ground level under that tier like on the non corporate sides at Robina.

Leigh.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

A small, steep lower tier the size of BankWest would surely fit. Especially if the concourse feeding it was at ground level under that tier like on the non corporate sides at Robina.

Leigh.

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Why would Central coast stad need more seats

 

[Quidgybo]

Why would Central coast stad need more seats

I didn’t say it did. Just pointing out that, despite accepted wisdom, there probably is the room there if they wanted to do it. As for why.... The best I can come up with is for atmosphere / fan experience which almost certainly isn’t enough for the money men.

Leigh.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I’m not sure spending the money on a few hundred extra seats there would be worth it, particularly when the open south end with the palm trees and the harbour is such an integral part of that ground’s character.

 

[Omott91]

Guard rails have to be 1.1-.12m above ground level to comply with safety codes. I’d say that’s unfortunate but unavoidable. Any lower and they’re a risk of not providing adequate protection from a standing person falling over them.

I understand safety regs and was pointing it out because the new western stand of mcdonald Jones has no guard rail at their allocated disabled seating, I wonder how they got around it.

 

[siv]

I’m not sure spending the money on a few hundred extra seats there would be worth it, particularly when the open south end with the palm trees and the harbour is such an integral part of that ground’s character.

Only change to Gosford would be the building of a northern stand that wraps around and joins the East and West stands

 

[horrie hastings]

Only change to Gosford would be the building of a northern stand that wraps around and joins the East and West stands

Not sure whether they could go any further back than they already are at the Northern end because of the bowling club right behind it

 

[siv]

Not sure whether they could go any further back than they already are at the Northern end because of the bowling club right behind it

Bowling club should be relocated

I beleive there was a plan to address this issue