The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

Not many national stadiums built under 80k. The new Wembley is 90k.

And it has a terrible rake.

The capacity should be appropriate for the city the stadium is in, the reality is Sydneysiders just aren’t huge sports goers. 70k is fine.

 

[ironhorse]

Not many national stadiums built under 80k. The new Wembley is 90k.

If you look to the Worlds *best* football stadia - anfield, Amsterdam arena, juventus, celtic park etc these are all 50-60 ish k arenas. World famous, amazing atmosphere, look sensational on tv and tourist destinations in their own right. My point is thats how you make a football stadium perfect for NRL - and Sydney crowds .Even the superbowl is often a 70-80k. Football isnt supposed to viewed or played on cricket grounds.I feel the narrative gets skewed in this Country. Lower cap might also makes tix harder to get therefore encouraging more attendance .

 

[Perth Red]

And it has a terrible rake.

The capacity should be appropriate for the city the stadium is in, the reality is Sydneysiders just aren’t huge sports goers. 70k is fine.

I was on about 20m line at Wembley and view was awesome. Maybe not so great in the gods but what big stadium is? Yeh forgot we were talking about Sydney, 70k is fine lol.

 

[LineBall]

If you look to the Worlds *best* football stadia - anfield, Amsterdam arena, juventus, celtic park etc these are all 50-60 ish k arenas. World famous, amazing atmosphere, look sensational on tv and tourist destinations in their own right. My point is thats how you make a football stadium perfect for NRL - and Sydney crowds .Even the superbowl is often a 70-80k. Football isnt supposed to viewed or played on cricket grounds.I feel the narrative gets skewed in this Country. Lower cap might also makes tix harder to get therefore encouraging more attendance .

IMO this is mostly from Victorians pushing the narrative that Melbourne and the MCG are the sporting capital of the country, and as such, if you don't have nearly a 100k capacity stadium, you are inferior.

60 - 70k capacity for our biggest rectangular stadiums would be ample.

 

[Timbo]

I was on about 20m line at Wembley and view was awesome. Maybe not so great in the gods but what big stadium is? Yeh forgot we were talking about Sydney, 70k is fine lol.

Virtually every post you make confuses anecdote with fact. You’d do well to learn the difference.

 

[Perth Red]

Virtually every post you make confuses anecdote with fact. You’d do well to learn the difference.

Nothing wrong with action research. The rake at Wembley isnt terrible, as I can testify first hand having been there.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Nothing wrong with action research. The rake at Wembley isnt terrible, as I can testify first hand having been there.

It’s terrible for a modern stadium, and the new Wembley has consistently been ranked as one of the worst modern stadiums.

 

[herbert henry1908]

For a modern stadium this is not a good rake

 

[Perth Red]

It’s terrible for a modern stadium, and the new Wembley has consistently been ranked as one of the worst modern stadiums.

It simply isnt and doesnt lol
Have you been?

https://lifebeyondsportmedia.com/Ranking-the-Top-10-Stadiums
https://talksport.com/football/254225/top-30-football-stadiums-europe-liverpool-everton/
https://www.sportsmanagementdegreeh...ally-impressive-sports-stadiums-in-the-world/
https://naijaquest.com/best-stadium-in-the-world/

 

[Perth Red]

For a modern stadium this is not a good rake

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Every camera angle is different, this fish eye lens is flattening it out, the rake looks totally different in other pics. The huge lower bowl is bigger than most hence its rake but having been in levl 2 at the stadium it really didnt feel much different to Suncorp, juts twice the size.

 

[PARRA_FAN]

I'm a bit meh on the design theyre proposing. It doesnt look too different, obviously reduced capacity which is fine, but I saw another design maybe last year or the year before that looked similar to the Tottenham stadium and I thought that looked pretty good. The roof was flat and the tiers on each end were at the same level.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It simply isnt and doesnt lol
Have you been?

https://lifebeyondsportmedia.com/Ranking-the-Top-10-Stadiums
https://talksport.com/football/254225/top-30-football-stadiums-europe-liverpool-everton/
https://www.sportsmanagementdegreeh...ally-impressive-sports-stadiums-in-the-world/
https://naijaquest.com/best-stadium-in-the-world/

Here’s a stadium designer, talking about how the rake is too big at Wembley. (For clarity, when he says too big he means it goes back too far to produce a good atmosphere)

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22110898



But I’m sure you know better...

 

[adamkungl]

From comments on here the main reasons people don’t like anz for club games are nothing to do afterwards in the area and crap atmosphere in a 3/4 empty stadium. I don’t see this as offering solutions to either of those issues?

The distance from the field is a big issue, which also contributes to poor atmosphere.
With the lower bowl brought in tight, lower capacity and the roofing extended the atmosphere will be improved even for lower draw games. Better experience = more regular attendees = improved crowds.

The Olympic Park precinct seems to be on the improve, as it becomes a more residential area (never mind the minor issue of buildings falling over) more restaurants and bars are opening and will continue to.

And there are future plans to build a direct train line through.
The Olympic Park experience should improve significantly over the next decade.

 

[herbert henry1908]

@Perth Red

Here’s another article talking about how the low seating gradient contributes to a poor atmosphere


https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/feb/25/west-ham-tottenham-wembley-home-london-stadium

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Even if it didn’t benefit Penrith I’d be all for scrapping the current ANZ plans.

You only have one chance to get this shit right and this is looking like a disaster. This is our national stadium and should be one of the best stadiums in the world. Bring back the $1.4bn proposal.

 

[Foreign Legion]

For a modern stadium this is not a good rake

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looks like Stadium Australia circa 2000

 

[siv]

ANZ away take is ok today and will get 10% better with reconfig

Behind in goal area will be 200% better rake
And upper deck even better

 

[Perth Red]

@Perth Red

Here’s another article talking about how the low seating gradient contributes to a poor atmosphere
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/feb/25/west-ham-tottenham-wembley-home-london-stadium

You’ve give a couple of people’s opinions, who also put forward other reasons for poor atmosphere lol. You said it ranked as one of the worse modern stadiums, in fact it consistently ranks in the top ten lists and usually in the top three. Having been I can say first hand that it is a pretty amazing stadium and I didn’t feel it suffered hugely from the rake.

Given only around half the anz seats are going to be better it’s hard to get excited by $800mill being spent to sort out half the stadium, significantly dropping the capacity in the process. Australia and the game deserves a state of the art national stadium, not this half arsed effort. Ironically despite having the most spent on it it will only be Sydneys third best stadium.

 

[herbert henry1908]

You’ve give a couple of people’s opinions, who also put forward other reasons for poor atmosphere lol. You said it ranked as one of the worse modern stadiums, in fact it consistently ranks in the top ten lists and usually in the top three. Having been I can say first hand that it is a pretty amazing stadium and I didn’t feel it suffered hugely from the rake.

Given only around half the anz seats are going to be better it’s hard to get excited by $800mill being spent to sort out half the stadium, significantly dropping the capacity in the process. Australia and the game deserves a state of the art national stadium, not this half arsed effort. Ironically despite having the most spent on it it will only be Sydneys third best stadium.

Dude, one of the people I quoted was a stadium designer. An actual expert.

He clearly says exactly what I did. The bigger you make the stadium the more compromises need to be made. Which is the reason I’m glad they made ANZ 70,000.





Here’s Wembley on a top ten worst list

https://talksport.com/football/1502...ue-grounds-barcas-home-and-more-161028215083/

 

[Perth Red]

Dude, one of the people I quoted was a stadium designer. An actual expert.

He clearly says exactly what I did. The bigger you make the stadium the more compromises need to be made. Which is the reason I’m glad they made ANZ 70,000.





Here’s Wembley on a top ten worst list

https://talksport.com/football/1502...ue-grounds-barcas-home-and-more-161028215083/

Have you been?