The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Springs09]

GF in Brisbane would have been massive, then perhaps launching a 2nd Brisbane team on the back of it. Even Ribot had better vision (not so much Beijing) then the current lot.

They could have done the same thing in Perth. Optus could apparently hold 65k for rectangular games and with the momentum of the build-up to the GF launch the Perth team.

 

[adamkungl]

Who the hell made the deal where both the SFS and ANZ would be out of action so we had to have 45k GFs at the SCG?

Government making sure it can get done in 1 term.

The current deal - both sides will spin it as a win.
In reality, It's a fairly miserable compromise for both sides.

And I strongly suspect that the government threatened to change their ANZ stadium plans again if the NRL takes the GF on the road. This is the only reason I can think of why the NRL would accept a lower compensation amount than they would get from opening the bidding.

 

[League Unlimited News]

OFFICIAL NRL Media Release

NRL Grand Final to remain in Sydney
National Rugby League | October 16 2019 4:05PM


The NRL Grand Final will remain in Sydney throughout the $2 billion upgrade of the city's stadia network after an agreement was reached with the NSW Government today.

The decision means all grand finals will be played in Sydney until at least 2046.

The Grand Final schedule for the next three years will be:

• 2020: Sydney Cricket Ground
• 2021: Sydney Cricket Ground
• 2022: Allianz Stadium

The Grand Final will return to ANZ Stadium when its $810 million upgrade is completed in 2023.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said the outcome both acknowledged the NSW Government's commitment to providing the game with world class stadia and ensured the game did not incur a financial loss.

"I want to thank the NSW Government for our ongoing partnership. By 2023 the game will have three brand new state-of-the-art rugby league venues to ensure the optimum game day experience for our fans while our bottom line will not be impacted by using alternative Grand Final venues during the construction phase,'' he said.

"This deal will benefit rugby league fans everywhere because it ensures we can continue to increase investment in grassroots participation right across the country."

https://leagueunlimited.com/news/34248-nrl-grand-final-to-remain-in-sydney/

 

[Perth Red]

Government making sure it can get done in 1 term.

The current deal - both sides will spin it as a win.
In reality, It's a fairly miserable compromise for both sides.

And I strongly suspect that the government threatened to change their ANZ stadium plans again if the NRL takes the GF on the road. This is the only reason I can think of why the NRL would accept a lower compensation amount than they would get from opening the bidding.

the nrl would be better off leaving anz as it is. Clubs no longer need to play there with bankwest and new allianz being far superior to any refurbed anz, and for finals and gf the larger capacity is more valuable.

 

[Perth Red]

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said the outcome both acknowledged the NSW Government's commitment to providing the game with world class stadia and ensured the game did not incur a financial loss

How would the game have a financial loss? This deal means there will be a $20-30mill financial loss!

 

[Timbo]

I have no doubts the government threatened the ANZ Stadium funding unless it stayed in Sydney.

The 2022 GF being scheduled for Allianz is interesting given that there is still no builder and that the $750 million cost is a pipe dream.

 

[Suitman]

Not quite stadium related but it sort of is considering the discussion that was had previously regarding building over the rail lines at Central @TheRam

This development (Ist picture) was announced today for the western end of Central Railway station, at the Henry Deane Plaza at Central Station West. A stunning development.

What's interesting though is the sketch plan (2nd picture) showing future expansion of this development OVER the railway lines, where the stadium was mooted as a possible alternative to Allianz.

I'm guessing that the cost benefit/ratio would be far better with this type of development than a stadium, but it does however prove that indeed, the railway lines could be built over, with little to no disruption.
I suppose my point is that this would have been a perfect location for a new 60-70000 seat stadium to replace both Allianz and ANZ.
Centennial Parklands could have been returned to the C P Trust, and ANZ could have been sold off to developers to recoup some construction costs.
Anyway, it is what it is now.

 

[Springs09]

Government making sure it can get done in 1 term.

The current deal - both sides will spin it as a win.
In reality, It's a fairly miserable compromise for both sides.

And I strongly suspect that the government threatened to change their ANZ stadium plans again if the NRL takes the GF on the road. This is the only reason I can think of why the NRL would accept a lower compensation amount than they would get from opening the bidding.

I haven't really kept up with the stadium deals. Does the NSW government get much from keeping the GF at the SCG? It's nearly half the ticket sales so you'd imagine half the visitors from other cities too.

 

[taipan]

the nrl would be better off leaving anz as it is. Clubs no longer need to play there with bankwest and new allianz being far superior to any refurbed anz, and for finals and gf the larger capacity is more valuable.

"Leave it as is".The very reason Shepherd Chairman of the GWS Gnats wants to retain it ,so AFL can play final series there down the line.That's pandering to the fumbler mob.3 stadiums for them in Sydney,give me a break.May as well offer it to Gil for $50m.

ANZ in. rectangular shape with cover, will bring increased patronage.ATM ANZ lacks soul, atmosphere, and comfort.A Grand final will look heaps better .

You can't have 3 NRL sides playing all their home games at WSS ,plus odd union games.

 

[BlueandGold]

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said the outcome both acknowledged the NSW Government's commitment to providing the game with world class stadia and ensured the game did not incur a financial loss

How would the game have a financial loss? This deal means there will be a $20-30mill financial loss!

ANZ 83k tickets.
SCG 46k tickets.

Also less for sponsors on the ground at a guess.

NSW government covering any shortfall for GF's at the SCG.

 

[Diesel]

NATIONAL Rugby League my arse, it’s just the old NSWRL powerbrokers at play.

 

[T-Boon]

NATIONAL Rugby League my arse, it’s just the old NSWRL powerbrokers at play.

The Queensland government should offer big money for some Sydney clubs to move up to Brisbane.

 

[King hit]

NATIONAL Rugby League my arse, it’s just the old NSWRL powerbrokers at play.

Yet dumb Queenslander Beattie took over from dumb ex Queenslander grant. Past 2 chairmans are Queenslanders

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

its a lot more than double revenue and besides you wouldn’t build a 30k stadium for one tenant. It’s why the likes of manly, sharks, Penrith etc face some very difficult decisions in the future. The idea of having a capacity well above avg crowd is to maximise the big games to make up for the small games. A 20k ground is likely to never top a 17k avg, a 30k stadium has a good chance of getting up to a 22k-25k avg etc etc. it’s one of the reasons I hope the nrl are negotiating with WA govt to finish hbf park and get it up to 27kish . It will hard for a perth nrl club to thrive in a 21k stadium

Not sure it will be hard to thrive.
Club marketing and management departments are, as a rule, text book idiots. Let’s hope the same doesn’t apply to Perth

If there are limited tickets and your product is good, demand will be through the roof, but sadly, no NRL club has the smarts to take advantage of that

 

[beave]

Absolute f**king farce. The NRL have bent over at every turn with this whole saga.

 

[taipan]

Absolute f**king farce. The NRL have bent over at every turn with this whole saga.

Yet (regardless of teh money involved)you are going to get the usual outrage by the likes of Peter FitzSimons and his cohorts ,screaming in the Herald Govt monies shouldn't be used on the NRL to fill their coffers.Shame, shame, shame.
"Could have been spent on schools ,hospitals etc etc", the usual PC routine.

 

[greenBV4]

What are the chances of ANZ going over schedule and not being finished by 2022? Is there more chance of a 2022 GF being moved if this is the case?

 

[taipan]

What are the chances of ANZ going over schedule and not being finished by 2022? Is there more chance of a 2022 GF being moved if this is the case?

If the builders work as fast as our local council, it will be still under construction in 2030.

 

[Perth Red]

ANZ 83k tickets.
SCG 46k tickets.

Also less for sponsors on the ground at a guess.

NSW government covering any shortfall for GF's at the SCG.

but they aren’t. They’re paying $12-15mill depending on which report you read for two games. Let’s do the maths.

Melbourne or perth and probably Brisbane and would pay $10mill for one gf (that’s what they pay for SOO and arguably a gf is going to bring in more visitors than a soo) so that $20mill in hosting rights, a $5-8mill loss there
SCG has around 30k seats for public sale due to high scg membership. @$200 avg ticket that’s 60k x 200= $12mill in ticket sales
Now let’s say the games were played at Melbourne and Brisbane or perth. That’s a total of 150k-165k seats for sale. 150k x $200 = $30mill

so that’s a potential $23-26million in income the nrl has missed out on.

let’s be in no doubt the Nsw govt threatened anz funding and the nrl caved. Todd claiming the nsw govt funding is covering any losses is a furphy. Sure it’s covering some of the loss in ticket sales compared to anz but it isn’t covering missed opportunity losses by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Perth Red]

"Leave it as is".The very reason Shepherd Chairman of the GWS Gnats wants to retain it ,so AFL can play final series there down the line.That's pandering to the fumbler mob.3 stadiums for them in Sydney,give me a break.May as well offer it to Gil for $50m.

ANZ in. rectangular shape with cover, will bring increased patronage.ATM ANZ lacks soul, atmosphere, and comfort.A Grand final will look heaps better .

You can't have 3 NRL sides playing all their home games at WSS ,plus odd union games.

anz is perfectly fine on gf day. Certainly not worth the nrl losing a potential $3mill a year in ticket sales
WSS should be able to cope with two fulltime Tenants and one part time one.