The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[taipan]

it’s not about being all seater Anz is all seater and is sht. It’s about having a modern fit for purpose venue that attracts fans to it. The only one in the country that isnt doing that is Robina, but previous attendances would suggest that is mainly due to the titans being run like a basket case. Every other decent nrl stadium is drawing them in: Suncorp, aami, bankwest, marathon. Hopefully the new Townsville stadium has the same result.

The point I'm trying to make in Sydney,(you know where the sharks and 8 other clubs are situated),and I'm leaving out Robina which doesn't help us expansion proponents, the averages of clubs in the outer suburban areas are not much less than those currently in the city areas, where the all seater ones are situated(sh*t ones or not)
Meaning there is plenty of scope for these outlying clubs like the Sharks,Penrith and the Screaming Eagles, to improve and some either are doing it or it's in their long term plans to drastically improve their infrastructure.They don't have to average 25,000.Hell the Broncos average 30K in a city to themselves.
Neither does the Storm average 25,000.
So in reality they are not in the context of population drawing them in ,as much as they really should.With all their great facilities.I'm not bagging their averages ,just relating it to their standing inning the only team in a city.

They(outsiders) require stadiums that ensures decent numbers of corporate facilities and seating are in situ and other modern/updated facilities .Like the Townsville stadium, one end is not for seating.
IOW these outer stadiums should be working on 20K capacity with these upgraded facilities.If they can average 17k they'd be creaming their jimmies.

 

[siv]

The point I'm trying to make in Sydney,(you know where the sharks and 8 other clubs are situated),and I'm leaving out Robina which doesn't help us expansion proponents, the averages of clubs in the outer suburban areas are not much less than those currently in the city areas, where the all seater ones are situated(sh*t ones or not)
Meaning there is plenty of scope for these outlying clubs like the Sharks,Penrith and the Screaming Eagles, to improve and some either are doing it or it's in their long term plans to drastically improve their infrastructure.They don't have to average 25,000.Hell the Broncos average 30K in a city to themselves.
Neither does the Storm average 25,000.
So in reality they are not in the context of population drawing them in ,as much as they really should.With all their great facilities.I'm not bagging their averages ,just relating it to their standing inning the only team in a city.

They(outsiders) require stadiums that ensures decent numbers of corporate facilities and seating are in situ and other modern/updated facilities .Like the Townsville stadium, one end is not for seating.
IOW these outer stadiums should be working on 20K capacity with these upgraded facilities.If they can average 17k they'd be creaming their jimmies.

Better to look at maximum attendances non-finals than build a stadium to handle the average

Because your minimum attendances won't suddenly jump to be the average

Suburban stadiums only have a 19k maximum these days. Averages won't grow if capacity doesn't grow to 25-30k

 

[taipan]

Better to look at maximum attendances non-finals than build a stadium to handle the average

Because your minimum attendances won't suddenly jump to be the average

Suburban stadiums only have a 19k maximum these days. Averages won't grow if capacity doesn't grow to 25-30k

Not a case of just building to handle the average.The aim must be to grow the average.WE are not talking about" these days."
Averages for outer stadiums have jumped around, and have not had the real ability to achieve much higher averages, for the simple reason they presently have not the improved infrastructure I previously mentioned.
Once better infrastructure is in place to encourage people to go, averages will increase.Having a lot of standing room doesn't encourage a lot of people to attend.An example with the Sharks, they might get 15k at a game ,but just about all the seats are sold, and the standing room ones you can see plenty of open spaces.Thus you haven't maximised these areas.

TBF it is nonsense to suggest averages won't grow if the capacity is not a minimum of 25K.
Scheduling for a start can make a dramatic impact on crowd averages ask the Cowboys.Ask the Sharks when they play the cowboys at home on a Thursday or Friday 6pm game.

Lack of makes a difference especially for women.The area where the club is situated also dictates what a stadium's capacity should be.And the financés available.
I mean you have a boutique stadium(on your own ground) of 20k capacity nearly full, and you compare that to a 30k capacity stadium 2/3 full.Atmosphere wise the former looks and sounds better.

And nowhere have I seen the NRL stipulate all stadiums must be minimum 25k capacity.Despite the fact we'd all like to have 25k averages.

 

[siv]

Capacity at suburban grounds has actually been reduced over the years

 

[Quicksilver]

Better to look at maximum attendances non-finals than build a stadium to handle the average

Because your minimum attendances won't suddenly jump to be the average

Suburban stadiums only have a 19k maximum these days. Averages won't grow if capacity doesn't grow to 25-30k

That represents a shithouse return on investment.

Say a club is getting 20k to every game except for 1 or 2 where they get say 30k.

So you have 20k seats getting used 12 times per year.

Then you have an extra 10k seats getting used once or twice. The return on investment to provide those additional seats is terrible.

Income 30 x 12= $360

Cost to build= $3,000

return 360/ 3000 = 12%

Income $30 x 1= $30

Cost to build = $3,000

return 30 /3,000= 1%

These are totally made up numbers. There are other things involved like considering that the first half of the 20k seats for most stadiums have already been build/purchased. Also there is the ongoing maintenance etc. But this demonstrates that you shouldn't just go building big stadiums for 1 or 2 games a year.

The money would be better invested into other money making assets with a better return,

 

[bazza]

Better to look at maximum attendances non-finals than build a stadium to handle the average

Because your minimum attendances won't suddenly jump to be the average

Suburban stadiums only have a 19k maximum these days. Averages won't grow if capacity doesn't grow to 25-30k

As above - I think it would be better to have a ~20k stadium that has quality seating and facilities and play there 10 times per year. Then play 1 or 2 'event' games at Moore Park or Homebush

 

[taipan]

Capacity at suburban grounds has actually been reduced over the years

Due safety concerns issue.
With better infrastructure ie better exits ,which don't happen on packed hills ,that can be turned around.
NB Perhaps capacity at Robina should be reduced to 20k .10k in such decent stadium looks sh*t house.

 

[seanoff]

Stadium cost is dependent on size to a point. Bigger ones tend to be fancier and cost more.

Metricon - 25,000. $144M. So now about $180M. ($7,200 per seat)

Bankwest - 30,000. $360M. ($12,000 per seat)

SFS planned - 45,000. $760M. ( approx $17,000 per seat)


So a Metricon type stadium will cost $140M for 20000 seats and $210M for 30000. If you use the extra 10000 seats 2X a yr. say you get $40/seat x 20000 extra people its an extra $800,000 a year.

So the extra 10000 seats cost 87.5 years to pay off. Yikes.

 

[Timbo]

Stadium cost is dependent on size to a point. Bigger ones tend to be fancier and cost more.

Metricon - 25,000. $144M. So now about $180M. ($7,200 per seat)

Bankwest - 30,000. $360M. ($12,000 per seat)

SFS planned - 45,000. $760M. ( approx $17,000 per seat)


So a Metricon type stadium will cost $140M for 20000 seats and $210M for 30000. If you use the extra 10000 seats 2X a yr. say you get $40/seat x 20000 extra people its an extra $800,000 a year.

So the extra 10000 seats cost 87.5 years to pay off. Yikes.

Didn't they recycle a lot of stuff for Metricon? Like, the light towers are just the ones that were there originally for the old stadium and they build the new shell inside of it.

 

[seanoff]

Didn't they recycle a lot of stuff for Metricon? Like, the light towers are just the ones that were there originally for the old stadium and they build the new shell inside of it.

Just the lights. That’s not a lot of stuff. Basically the bulldozed everything including the playing surface and started from scratch. So everything apart from the lights is new. The saving would be not much.

 

[The Marshall]

Grand final coup as Sydney beats Brisbane to keep NRL decider
Sydney will retain the NRL grand final for the next two years in a $10 million deal with the NSW State Government, quashing an attempted interstate hijack of our showpiece sporting event.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian is expected reveal the funding deal later on Wednesday which prevents the NRL from switching the game’s biggest event to either Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth, the three cities all bidding to host the game.

The announcement will be brought forward after news began to leak on the coup.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal all three cities wanted to host the event at either Suncorp Stadium, the MCG or Optus Stadium – and were prepared to offer millions for it.

The Melbourne plan was to hold the game the weekend after the AFL grand final. It was appealing in that it would allow the NRL to sell more than 90,000 seats and also take an upfront payment from Victorian Tourism.

It is a huge victory for Sydney in the same week of the NSW v Victoria slanging match over which state holds the premier racing carnival.

Under the new Sydney agreement, the 2020 and 2021 grand finals will be played at the Sydney Cricket Ground while both Allianz Stadium and ANZ Stadium are out of action undergoing rebuilds.

The SCG has only 46,000 seats and more than 16,000 of those will be taken by members.

The Sydney grand final had been under threat because of the State Government’s delay in starting work on ANZ Stadium until after Stave of Origin next year.

The delay cancelled out the original memorandum of understanding that all grand finals would stay in Sydney for the next 25 years.

The loss of earnings from ticket sales at the SCG put the NRL in a position to demand compensation from the government.

The news comes a day after Queensland Tourism Minister Kate Jones tried to use a league-cricket scheduling fiasco at the SCG to further Brisbane’s claims to host the NRL’s showpiece event.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...r/news-story/d2620aec30bec00b1fbbe392b1a30f60

 

[Perth Red]

Stadium cost is dependent on size to a point. Bigger ones tend to be fancier and cost more.

Metricon - 25,000. $144M. So now about $180M. ($7,200 per seat)

Bankwest - 30,000. $360M. ($12,000 per seat)

SFS planned - 45,000. $760M. ( approx $17,000 per seat)


So a Metricon type stadium will cost $140M for 20000 seats and $210M for 30000. If you use the extra 10000 seats 2X a yr. say you get $40/seat x 20000 extra people its an extra $800,000 a year.

So the extra 10000 seats cost 87.5 years to pay off. Yikes.

doesn’t take into account revenue from food and drink, increased merch sales, marquee games were ticket prices are significantly more, attraction to naming rights sponsors, corporate facility increased sales, attraction of other events etc. etc

 

[Perth Red]

Grand final coup as Sydney beats Brisbane to keep NRL decider
Sydney will retain the NRL grand final for the next two years in a $10 million deal with the NSW State Government, quashing an attempted interstate hijack of our showpiece sporting event.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian is expected reveal the funding deal later on Wednesday which prevents the NRL from switching the game’s biggest event to either Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth, the three cities all bidding to host the game.

The announcement will be brought forward after news began to leak on the coup.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal all three cities wanted to host the event at either Suncorp Stadium, the MCG or Optus Stadium – and were prepared to offer millions for it.

The Melbourne plan was to hold the game the weekend after the AFL grand final. It was appealing in that it would allow the NRL to sell more than 90,000 seats and also take an upfront payment from Victorian Tourism.

It is a huge victory for Sydney in the same week of the NSW v Victoria slanging match over which state holds the premier racing carnival.

Under the new Sydney agreement, the 2020 and 2021 grand finals will be played at the Sydney Cricket Ground while both Allianz Stadium and ANZ Stadium are out of action undergoing rebuilds.

The SCG has only 46,000 seats and more than 16,000 of those will be taken by members.

The Sydney grand final had been under threat because of the State Government’s delay in starting work on ANZ Stadium until after Stave of Origin next year.

The delay cancelled out the original memorandum of understanding that all grand finals would stay in Sydney for the next 25 years.

The loss of earnings from ticket sales at the SCG put the NRL in a position to demand compensation from the government.

The news comes a day after Queensland Tourism Minister Kate Jones tried to use a league-cricket scheduling fiasco at the SCG to further Brisbane’s claims to host the NRL’s showpiece event.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...r/news-story/d2620aec30bec00b1fbbe392b1a30f60

I hope the nrl is getting a lot more out of the nsw govt than just $10mill cash. They could have sold the two games for twice that and made a shed more in ticket sales.

at least with only 30k tickets to sell the nrl won’t have to give away any freebies.

 

[Canard]

That could be the worst deal the NRL has ever signed up to.

 

[Perth Red]

That could be the worst deal the NRL has ever signed up to.

well they’ve given up somewhere in the region of $20million in revenue opportunity so you’d hope there’s more to it than just the cash.

 

[Quicksilver]

doesn’t take into account revenue from food and drink, increased merch sales, marquee games were ticket prices are significantly more, attraction to naming rights sponsors, corporate facility increased sales, attraction of other events etc. etc

Double the income and it’s still probably near 50 years.

 

[Perth Red]

Double the income and it’s still probably near 50 years.

its a lot more than double revenue and besides you wouldn’t build a 30k stadium for one tenant. It’s why the likes of manly, sharks, Penrith etc face some very difficult decisions in the future. The idea of having a capacity well above avg crowd is to maximise the big games to make up for the small games. A 20k ground is likely to never top a 17k avg, a 30k stadium has a good chance of getting up to a 22k-25k avg etc etc. it’s one of the reasons I hope the nrl are negotiating with WA govt to finish hbf park and get it up to 27kish . It will hard for a perth nrl club to thrive in a 21k stadium

 

[axl rose]

GF in Brisbane would have been massive, then perhaps launching a 2nd Brisbane team on the back of it. Even Ribot had better vision (not so much Beijing) then the current lot.

 

[adamkungl]

Government and taxpayers pissed to be handing over $12 mil to the NRL
NRL missing out on far more revenue from taking it on the road

Truly the best kind of compromise, everyone is unhappy

 

[Springs09]

Who the hell made the deal where both the SFS and ANZ would be out of action so we had to have 45k GFs at the SCG?