The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Mr Angry]

I like to learn. @Perth Red

Do West Coast Eagles and Fremantle have clubs I could visit and get feed, buy a beer?

I do not know.

I lived in Perth for 1 year, I do not recall seeing one, does mean there was not one.

 

[Perth Red]

I like to learn. @Perth Red

Do West Coast Eagles and Fremantle have clubs I could visit and get feed, buy a beer?

I do not know.

I lived in Perth for 1 year, I do not recall seeing one, does mean there was not one.

No, reality LC's exist due to pokies.
As Pokies are outlawed in WA, other than in the casino, no sports club runs a club as not viable without the poor saps feeding the pokies.

 

[Perth Red]

Perth Red, I am not so sure. As an AFL fan you would be aware that the most profitable stadium in the AFL states for a small/medium crowd of 25k is at Geelong - the smallest stadium and one that is a mix of old and new. They make more $$$ there with 25k than Collingwood do with 50k @ MCG because of supply and demand, lower operating costs, etc. There is no reason that NRL clubs could not achieve the same outcomes with sellout crowds of 15k - 18k each week at their home grounds. Add in a couple of blockbusters for each club at the larger stadiums, and overall crowds and profitability could increase.

But if you look at clubs with larger capacity to attract more fans the revenue is massively different. Eagles revenue $100mill, Geelong $60million, Collingwood $73million . Having stadiums of 15-18k isnt going to help clubs stay viable when the TV money and LC's reduce. The only real revenue growth sits in fan engagement.
I dont buy the keep it small to drive demand, we've got small stadiums now for some clubs and they arent queuing up to buy full memberships! Look at Parra, the extra capacity allows them to offer great deals like the free childs membership to engage the next generation of fans, cant do that when you need to fill every spot with a full paying adult.

 

[Mr Angry]

I mean I look at WIN Stadium and think that whole block, the Entertainment Centre the two fields, should become a 150 story building with builtin Stadium overlooking the Pacific.

But that is me.

 

[Mr Angry]

No, reality LC's exist due to pokies.
As Pokies are outlawed in WA, other than in the casino, no sports club runs a club as not viable without the poor saps feeding the pokies.

Who pays for the junior leagues then?

Many people go to the local leagues clubs for a feed or a show, they are restaurants and bars, conference rooms, not every patron plays the the pokies.

Reality is they spend all profit on sports programs.

Read any report.

In WA they leave it to casino barons.

Like Brisbane and Melbourne any profit goes to owners, not the community.

That is reality.

 

[Mr Angry]

Which is why I support the Brisbane Firehawks.

Community based club v the Bomber private ownership model.

 

[Perth Red]

Who pays for the junior leagues then?

Many people go to the local leagues clubs for a feed or a show, they are restaurants and bars, conference rooms, not every patron plays the the pokies.

Reality is they spend all profit on sports programs.

Read any report.

In WA they leave it to casino barons.

Like Brisbane and Melbourne any profit goes to owners, not the community.

That is reality.

Mostly Cash Convertors lol. NRLWA get funded from NRLHQ and the States DO's are under the national DO program. The rest comes from sponsors and WA Govt funding.

They really dont, not sure if you've looked at LC annual reports but the amount they spend on Jnr sport compared to the amount of revenue they bring in is tiny. If that small investment in the community is worth the misery pokie machine gambling causes the community is an ethical debate for another day lol

Take Western Suburbs LC. Revenue last year of $73mill. Assetsof $122mill. 2019 $6million op[erating profit. They paid their directors and CEO $1.4million, guess how much they contributed to community sport.... $1.6million lol
But yeh they are there for the good of the community!

Agree there re Casino, its such a scam that Crown pulled off, but having said that I still prefer that we have zero pokies outside of Burswood.

When you don't have LC funding you find other ways. In AFL for example WAFL own the two AFL club licences and Eagles and Dockers pay around $6million each year for use of license. That gives WAFL the money it needs for jnr sport.

 

[unforgiven]

No, not at all, it is a members club. Will be a 23-25K unique stadium with quality corporate facilities and the leagues club attached.

We would have been renting a council ground, not sure who is paying for grounds right now.

I am not sure what Georges River Council plan is for Kogarah, but NSW Government owns Woollongong, so it will be looked after, same as Newcastle, SFS (which will be awesome when done)

I would like to see Penrith City Council sell thier stadium to the Panthers Group (as a members club) for $1.

Hard to sell Brookie to a private owner.

I would be in favour of selling Olympic Stadium to a developer to build 100 story residential towers and use that money to build a shinny new stadium next to Liverpool Train station.

I would hate if Penrith Council did that!

 

[Mr Angry]

I would hate if Penrith Council did that!

Why?

Just get state and federal grants.

I am looking for diferent opinions.

 

[Perth Red]

I would hate if Penrith Council did that!

They'd be better agreeing a long term lease with State Govt so that State Govt could develop it.

 

[Mr Angry]

Mostly Cash Convertors lol. NRLWA get funded from NRLHQ and the States DO's are under the national DO program. The rest comes from sponsors and WA Govt funding.

In that part I meant how the eagles and dockers pay for so many VFL juniors.

They really dont, not sure if you've looked at LC annual reports but the amount they spend on Jnr sport compared to the amount of revenue they bring in is tiny. If that small investment in the community is worth the misery pokie machine gambling causes the community is an ethical debate for another day lol

Take Western Suburbs LC. Revenue last year of $73mill. Assetsof $122mill. 2019 $6million op[erating profit. They paid their directors and CEO $1.4million, guess how much they contributed to community sport.... $1.6million lol
But yeh they are there for the good of the community!

I agree we could debate it may not be enough they spend on sport, and how much they pay execs.

Private owners spend nothing.

Agree there re Casino, its such a scam that Crown pulled off, but having said that I still prefer that we have zero pokies outside of Burswood.

No problem, I like a bet, but am not an addict.

 

[Perth Red]

In that part I meant how the eagles and dockers pay for so many VFL juniors.

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Eagles and Dockers dont fund any jnr development direclty. They fund teh WAFC.
As mentioned the AFL clubs pay WAFC an annual amount for use of the two AFL licenses to tune of about $6mill a year. They also pay $450k each to have a reserve grade team in the WAFL. And the WAFC controlled the old Subiaco stadium that brought in $7mill a year from the two AFL clubs rent (and have a compensation deal with WA Govt after the move to Optus stadium which gives them $10.3mill a year). Last year the WAFC revenue was $31.7million of which $5.4million was from AFL (in comparison the NSWRL revenue was $29.8 million of which $11.4million was from the NRL)

 

[Mr Angry]

FTR the record, my mother in law, went to Brisbane casino, every saturday with 4 friends, they never lost thier houses. They loved it.

They all worked had a budget, never went over it, hell I scored, as she would give the wife presents on the odd occasion she did win.

Try running for office with a no gamble platform.

 

[Mr Angry]

Again not to paid to a dude or a group of dudes.

Sure maybe some dude got paid to much to administer.

https://eastsleagues.com.au/about/community/

 

[Mr Angry]

Who should own Stadiums?

Bueller..Bueller..

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

I mean I look at WIN Stadium and think that whole block, the Entertainment Centre the two fields, should become a 150 story building with builtin Stadium overlooking the Pacific.

But that is me.

It's a cracking location setting, overlooking the ocean and all that. And the Western Grandstand (taken as one of the old "wings" from Homebush after the Olympics) is great to watch a game from. A development like you suggest would be awesome - but unsure of the economics of it all if the Dragons continue to split games. No other team plays out of there I can recall. Now that the Illawarra Hawks have folded, dont know where that leaves the Entertainment Centre too.

I honestly dont like that the home games are split between Kogarah and Wollongong, but I get why. I'm not in NSW any more but if it was my call.....

Of the home games, I'd play all the "Sydney" teams at Kogarah, and all the interstate teams at Wollongong. Draw the away fans of sydney clubs through the gate at Jubilee.. And a redevelopment like you suggest could help draw interstate fans to the Gong, holiday package etc. And with redevelopment - they desperately need a new leagues club - the existing Steelers club is tiny... can't get the punters in for a pre game meal and beer..

I brought my missus over from Adelaide to a Wollongong game against the Knights in 2018, we stayed at a hotel next to the ground. Was a cracking weekend and well worth the expense. My only beef was getting into the Leagues Club

 

[Perth Red]

FTR the record, my mother in law, went to Brisbane casino, every saturday with 4 friends, they never lost thier houses. They loved it.

They all worked had a budget, never went over it, hell I scored, as she would give the wife presents on the odd occasion she did win.

Try running for office with a no gamble platform.

Well there you go, all those years of research and evidence gathering about the problems gambling causes society dismissed by your mil and her friends? I once knew a 90 year old guy who smoked 20 cigs a day all his life, wouldn't recommend it though

Try getting elected in WA on a pro pokies ticket!

 

[Mr Angry]

Well there you go, all those years of research and evidence gathering about the problems gambling causes society dismissed by your mil and her friends? I once knew a 90 year old guy who smoked 20 cigs a day all his life, wouldn't recommend it though

Try getting elected in WA on a pro pokies ticket!

Try to ban it. Clearly your goal.

Mining is where you get Applecross.

Hey gig those rocks.

 

[Jamberoo]

Who pays for the junior leagues then?

Many people go to the local leagues clubs for a feed or a show, they are restaurants and bars, conference rooms, not every patron plays the the pokies.

Reality is they spend all profit on sports programs.

Read any report.

In WA they leave it to casino barons.

Like Brisbane and Melbourne any profit goes to owners, not the community.

That is reality.

No AFL clubs have Leagues clubs or even club even a club branded social venue you can visit. In Melbourne social clubs died out in the 1990s/early 2000s when all clubs moved games to MCG or Docklands. This is a real shame, but support for AFL clubs here is not local, each clubs has supporters spread across the city so social clubs were all losing money once the games were not played there.
Some clubs do own hotels and derive revenue from Gaming, but these clubs are run just for profit, you would not know who owns them, they could be on the other side of the city. All profits are retained by the AFL clubs. Aussie rules Junior programs are generally self funded. Players pay $200 per year to play, clubs raise sponsorship, etc. AFL has a draft so they are generally not allowed to be associated with junior programs. The elite junior programs are funded and run by the AFL.
One of the things I love most about Sydney and RL is that clubs are still part of the local community. That would have changed with more games at ANZ. I love PVL’s local rivalry platform, and more smaller local stadiums or upgrades will build on that.

 

[unforgiven]

Why?

Just get state and federal grants.

I am looking for diferent opinions.

I don't want my local council giving away assets when they already over charge me on rates.