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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Jamberoo

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Springfield or North Ipswich should be in line for a boutique stadium if the Jets get up. Also Perry Park at Bowen Hills was proposed as a site for the Bombers. There’s talk of an athletes village at or around the Albion railyard and Ascot Park Raceway was to be used for some ceremonies. Early days but Brisbane will be getting something.
There was talk pre-COVID of SEQ/Qld going for the 2032 Olympics and having a high speed rail networks. If this goes ahead due to The Olympics being held in SEQ getting crowds to NRL games would be more appealing to Toowoomba or GC/Sunny Coast residents
Correct.
If they build a new stadium it will be 50k at Albion. But this now seems unlikely as they will be spending most of the money on transport infrastructure which is a good thing.
Either way, Ballymore will be rebuilt at 15,000 for the hockey. Not sure if that helps the NRL.
 

Smiley

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I don’t see why the Olympic stadium needs to be oval. They could build two permanent stands along the straights and place temporary stands at the ends (allowing for the bend in the running track).

Post Olympics, the temporary seating could be replaced by grassed terraces and you’d have a boutique rectangular stadium of between 25,000 - 30,000 (similar to Newcastle).
 

Diesel

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Correct.
If they build a new stadium it will be 50k at Albion. But this now seems unlikely as they will be spending most of the money on transport infrastructure which is a good thing.
Either way, Ballymore will be rebuilt at 15,000 for the hockey. Not sure if that helps the NRL.
Ballymore is a difficult one. It’s owned by the QRU, but it’s run down. I think I heard the hockey would be played there. If it can be converted into another inner city boutique stadium for RL, it’d have to have handed over to stadiums QLD, otherwise we have another SCG Trust shitshow.
Looks as if Albion raceway will be getting some infrastructure but the athletics village will be closer to Hamilton than Albion
 

azza29

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I don’t see why the Olympic stadium needs to be oval.
PyeongChang built a five-sided stadium for the opening and closing ceremonies for 2018's Winter Olympics, so it doesn't have to be oval.

If oval + capacity was the only requirement there's always the QE2 stadium...
 

Bulldog2020

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If they do build a new stadium for Athletics & Ceremonies, hopefully the post games capacity is less than Suncorp so there is no temptation to move any games there.
 

parrawentyfan

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It sounds like they aren't planning much in terms of stadium and transport infrastructure but it would be nice wouldn't it.

Also - what the hell happened to QSAC? Looking on Google Maps it seems to be in a state of disrepair. Seems a waste. Maybe they could turn QSAC into an Olympic precinct of sorts and the stadium into Brisbane's version of Sydney's ANZ but properly reconfigured into a rectangle post Olympics. For GFs, Origin etc. Alternatively if it is reconfigured to a smaller size it could be home to a new team. It does seem to be in an odd location though, and right alongside a cemetery.

Leave Suncorp as it is and hope the Broncos can get closer to filling it. Ditto for Robina.

Proper refurbishment and upgrade of some of the smaller grounds around the place like Ballymore, Redcliffe and Sunshine Coast. Maybe a new stadium in Ipswich. And improved transport links where needed.

All seems pretty unlikely though.
 

Perth Red

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Could be a good chance the Olympic committee will use this as a test to significantly reduce costs of host cities to try and entice smaller ones like brisbane to bid. Their well is drying up and the number of cities interested in spending billions on hosting a games seems to be diminishing rapidly. If that’s the case we might not see too much stadium development undertaken.
 

Timbo

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Could be a good chance the Olympic committee will use this as a test to significantly reduce costs of host cities to try and entice smaller ones like brisbane to bid. Their well is drying up and the number of cities interested in spending billions on hosting a games seems to be diminishing rapidly. If that’s the case we might not see too much stadium development undertaken.

The next LA Olympics is really the first one in a long time where the host has said to the IOC ‘we’re using existing venues - take it or leave it’.

Host cities are now viewing the Olympics as a good excuse to dump cash on things like public transport and affordable housing whilst using existing sports infrastructure which is upgraded and modified for the games. Not quarter-billion dollar velodromes. Which is really how it should be.
 

emesssea

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The next LA Olympics is really the first one in a long time where the host has said to the IOC ‘we’re using existing venues - take it or leave it’.

Host cities are now viewing the Olympics as a good excuse to dump cash on things like public transport and affordable housing whilst using existing sports infrastructure which is upgraded and modified for the games. Not quarter-billion dollar velodromes. Which is really how it should be.

Dont worry, as someone who lives in LA, I can assure you theyll be a waste of tax payers funds while abusing the homeless among other things to make LA the model Olympic city while an elite few once again line their pockets.
 
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Civic or EPIC stadium kicks off at half a billion dollars, says report
Ian Bushnell 15 March 2021

Building a rectangular stadium on the Civic pool site would require a bespoke design and come with several planning challenges, but would have economic and transport advantages over Exhibition Park, according to a government-commissioned study of the two proposals.

With the ACT Government lease at Bruce’s Canberra Stadium expiring in 2024, and the Federal Government considering options for redevelopment, the ACT Government is exploring options for a replacement stadium and has identified Civic and EPIC as locations.

The Arup study found both proposals were achievable and found little to split them when it came to the eye-popping cost.

Both sites would cost north of half a billion dollars at current estimates, about $638m by 2027 and more than $700 million by 2032, numbers that would require private sector involvement.

The study estimates it would take around six to seven years for construction at EPIC from business case to completion, with Civic taking slightly longer.

Arup’s brief was to compare the two sites based on a capacity of at least 25,000 seats, roughly north-south field orientation, and a fully enclosed roof, with consideration of a 100 per cent dripline roof.

It looked at four bowl designs for the smaller Civic site, which would have to impinge on an upgraded Parkes Way, but only a standard design for the more spacious EPIC site.

The more constrained site would require a design unlike any other in Australia, but that would also give it a unique identity, the study said.

The study settled on the fourth design and found that a 25,000 seat stadium can fit on the site with the north and south grandstands single-tiered and the east and west grandstands two-tiered.

A well proportioned upper and lower tier would mean avoiding long travel distances to seating, food and beverage areas and toilets, and no northern sun shadowing.

But a fully enclosed roof would cost more at EPIC due to the significantly longer spans generated by the enlarged east and west stands.

The Civic proposal would also need amendments to the National Capital Plan (NCP) as the roof will be higher than the current limit of 25 metres and ‘stadium’ is not a listed land use.

The southern site boundary will need to move south into the Parkes Way corridor by up to 12 metres and a concrete barrier and fencing may be required on the Parkes Way boundary until Parkes Way stage five is complete in about 2030.

Any future upgrades will need to be coordinated with the design development of the stadium.

Crowd, traffic, security and noise management, particularly in relation to nearby residential developments, will also pose greater challenges than EPIC.

The study did not provide for onsite parking, relying on the number of city spaces, which is higher than current provisions in the Canberra Stadium precinct.

But the study says the central Civic site has easy road access, including Parkes Way, and public transport links such as the city light rail terminus, bus interchange, and future light rail along Constitution Avenue.

It also has greater economic potential, being so close to other city venues, with more possibilities for drawing people to the site on non-game days than the more remote EPIC location.

EPIC’s main attractions include more space to play with, a less complicated build using a Bankwest-style, continuous bowl design, and fewer planning hurdles.

Onsite parking can be utilised, but transport options are limited to light rail.

The study looked at three sites but settled on an area near the EPIC and Racecourse light rail stop and the future Sandford Street light rail stop, which would require the harness training track to be moved.

“Overall these venues are offering very different outcomes,” the study concludes. “One is a bespoke urban venue which will have strong links back to its surrounding context and has the potential to tap into the existing neighbouring network of complementary facilities and supporting industries.

“The other is a more typical design on an open site, with less operational complexity but also less potential to give back and engage with its surrounding context.

“What is important to note is that both are feasible and both address the key requirements of the brief.”

But in terms of government priorities, the stadium proposal sits firmly behind the development of the Civic cultural precinct and the new Canberra Theatre, but without a private sector backer, it remains a distant prospect.
https://the-riotact.com/civic-or-epic-stadium-kicks-off-at-half-a-billion-dollars-says-report/446579

Looks like the can will continue to be kicked down the road on the new stadium for at least another decade or so. I also don't really see the point in building a 25k seat stadium when really the city is going to need at least a 30k seat stadium in the not to distant future.

Aside from that talks have been reasonably good though, for example nobody that matters is seriously talking about a "multipurpose" stadium currently.
 

Perth Red

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Let’s hope canberra gets its new stadium. The footage at the weekend showed how dated the current stadium is. When you’ve been to a new stadium with its steep stands, protection from the weather and great facilities it makes you realise how much better the game day experience can be. Keep fighting the good fight and be nice to see vlandys realise there is more to the nrl than Sydney and get lobbying for canberra RL fans like he is in Sydney.
 
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Let’s hope canberra gets its new stadium. The footage at the weekend showed how dated the current stadium is. When you’ve been to a new stadium with its steep stands, protection from the weather and great facilities it makes you realise how much better the game day experience can be. Keep fighting the good fight and be nice to see vlandys realise there is more to the nrl than Sydney and get lobbying for canberra RL fans like he is in Sydney.
There's next to no chance that it happens before 2030.

Maybe if the FFA/A-league guaranteed an A-league license and all the rectangular sports committed to a bunch of major events being held at the stadium upon the stadium being built, you might be able to push it forward a few years earlier.

But really the odds of that kind of cooperation between the codes are slim to none, and it still relies on federal funding coming through on the realignment of Parkes way.

The Raiders and Brumbies could try holding the government to ransom American style, but I sincerely doubt they have the balls to even attempt that, let alone follow through on any threats they make.
 

SLRBRONCOS

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What's Exhibition park? it looks well north of Civic. Is it any better than its current location?
I don’t think so. For me it just has to be in civic - it would have such a vibe there, much like what Brisbane has with Suncorp and Caxton st/ Paddington.
 

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