The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[flippikat]

News from New Zealand - the new indoor stadium in Christchurch will have 30,000 seats after all, after the City Council today backtracked on a cost-cutting move to reduce it to 25,000.

How good would THIS be for an NRL team??

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

 

[Deacon]

With regards to the northern upgrade at Brooky, does anyone know if they’ll run out from that end once complete or will it stay as is?

 

[Jamberoo]

So ANZ capacity reduced by a few thousand due to the screen.

Australia preparing to bid for FIFA World Cup in 2030 or 2034

Football Australia and government officials are reportedly formulating plans to again bid for the FIFA World Cup, this time for either 2030 or 2034.

www.austadiums.com

Also, we are having another crack at the soccer World Cup for 2034 (2030 will be in Europe). Could be a joint bid with NZ and possibly also Indonesia as more venues needed (16) due to expansion to 48 teams and 80 matches. Joining up with Indo would seem our only hope. In that case, around seven venues would be needed so ANZ may yet get its rebuild. As might Lang Park (tie in with Olympics). Venues need to be 40k so we already have
ANZ
SFS
Lang Park
MCG
Marvel
Geelong (will be 40k by 2023)
Adelaide Oval
Perth
So upgrades to Newcastle, GC or Townsville may not happen.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

News from New Zealand - the new indoor stadium in Christchurch will have 30,000 seats after all, after the City Council today backtracked on a cost-cutting move to reduce it to 25,000.

How good would THIS be for an NRL team??

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

It would be amazing and would surely put Christchurch in pole position for the NZ2 NRL franchise if it ever happens.

 

[The Great Dane]

So ANZ capacity reduced by a few thousand due to the screen.

Australia preparing to bid for FIFA World Cup in 2030 or 2034

Football Australia and government officials are reportedly formulating plans to again bid for the FIFA World Cup, this time for either 2030 or 2034.

www.austadiums.com

Also, we are having another crack at the soccer World Cup for 2034 (2030 will be in Europe). Could be a joint bid with NZ and possibly also Indonesia as more venues needed (16) due to expansion to 48 teams and 80 matches. Joining up with Indo would seem our only hope. In that case, around seven venues would be needed so ANZ may yet get its rebuild. As might Lang Park (tie in with Olympics). Venues need to be 40k so we already have
ANZ
SFS
Lang Park
MCG
Marvel
Geelong (will be 40k by 2023)
Adelaide Oval
Perth
So upgrades to Newcastle, GC or Townsville may not happen.

NZ and Indonesia aside, I can't see us winning a WC while proposing so many ovals as venues. FIFA frown upon ovals, unless you grease their palms enough of course.

A lot of those cities would also need massive investments in infrastructure to be eligible to host games as well.

Not that I'm against bidding for the WC, I'm all for it and think it would be in the NRL's interests to support it (as much as they can) and should try to use it to push for investment in rectangular infrastructure that benefits them, I'm just being realistic about Australia's situation.

 

[Perth Red]

Without ovals, and generally they are crap for rectangular sports so can’t see fifa being too impressed, we’ve only got 3 suitable stadiums so would need massive expenditure to host it and be left with a lot of white elephant stadiums afterwards. Can’t see it myself.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Without ovals, and generally they are crap for rectangular sports so can’t see fifa being too impressed, we’ve only got 3 suitable stadiums so would need massive expenditure to host it and be left with a lot of white elephant stadiums afterwards. Can’t see it myself.

Whatever happens I'm sure you'll say it's all PVL's fault.

 

[Timbo]

News from New Zealand - the new indoor stadium in Christchurch will have 30,000 seats after all, after the City Council today backtracked on a cost-cutting move to reduce it to 25,000.

How good would THIS be for an NRL team??

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

Redcliffe 17.

NZ2 18.

What would make more sense in NZ, a team primarily based out of Christchurch with a few games in Wellington, or a 50/50 split?

 

[Steel Saints]

So ANZ capacity reduced by a few thousand due to the screen.

Australia preparing to bid for FIFA World Cup in 2030 or 2034

Football Australia and government officials are reportedly formulating plans to again bid for the FIFA World Cup, this time for either 2030 or 2034.

www.austadiums.com

Also, we are having another crack at the soccer World Cup for 2034 (2030 will be in Europe). Could be a joint bid with NZ and possibly also Indonesia as more venues needed (16) due to expansion to 48 teams and 80 matches. Joining up with Indo would seem our only hope. In that case, around seven venues would be needed so ANZ may yet get its rebuild. As might Lang Park (tie in with Olympics). Venues need to be 40k so we already have
ANZ
SFS
Lang Park
MCG
Marvel
Geelong (will be 40k by 2023)
Adelaide Oval
Perth
So upgrades to Newcastle, GC or Townsville may not happen.

There is a possibility of a joint bid with NZ and Indonesia. In 2026, USA, Mexico and Canada are co hosting it. So it can happen with three countries in a bid, especially with an enlarged 48 team world cup.

And if that is the case, then there is no need for MCG, Marvel, Adelaide or Perth oval stadiums. You need a world cup that can leave a legacy behind for football and rectangular sports. An example would be an upgraded expansion of AAMI Park to 40000.

The only oval venue i would have in the bid from Australia's side of the bid is Geelong's Kardinia Park.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

Indonesia.. ew.

 

[Jamberoo]

NZ and Indonesia aside, I can't see us winning a WC while proposing so many ovals as venues. FIFA frown upon ovals, unless you grease their palms enough of course.

A lot of those cities would also need massive investments in infrastructure to be eligible to host games as well.

Not that I'm against bidding for the WC, I'm all for it and think it would be in the NRL's interests to support it (as much as they can) and should try to use it to push for investment in rectangular infrastructure that benefits them, I'm just being realistic about Australia's situation.

We won’t win a stand alone bid with 16 brand new 60k stadiums. We need to partner up as most of the other bids will. Of the existing stadia, Perth has rectangular mode - used for Union match record crowd, and Adelaide oval and Geelong are very narrow and suitable for soccer. Only the MCG is unsuitable, but as the biggest and best stadium in the Southern Hemisphere, will be happily used. 100k is a magic number.

 

[Jamberoo]

There is a possibility of a joint bid with NZ and Indonesia. In 2026, USA, Mexico and Canada are co hosting it. So it can happen with three countries in a bid, especially with an enlarged 48 team world cup.

And if that is the case, then there is no need for MCG, Marvel, Adelaide or Perth oval stadiums. You need a world cup that can leave a legacy behind for football and rectangular sports. An example would be an upgraded expansion of AAMI Park to 40000.

The only oval venue i would have in the bid from Australia's side of the bid is Geelong's Kardinia Park.

Ot possible to upgrade AAMI. Marvel has a rectangular mode.

 

[Jamberoo]

Indonesia.. ew.

They have 230 million people. Big market. Our only hope.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

So ANZ capacity reduced by a few thousand due to the screen.

Australia preparing to bid for FIFA World Cup in 2030 or 2034

Football Australia and government officials are reportedly formulating plans to again bid for the FIFA World Cup, this time for either 2030 or 2034.

www.austadiums.com

Also, we are having another crack at the soccer World Cup for 2034 (2030 will be in Europe). Could be a joint bid with NZ and possibly also Indonesia as more venues needed (16) due to expansion to 48 teams and 80 matches. Joining up with Indo would seem our only hope. In that case, around seven venues would be needed so ANZ may yet get its rebuild. As might Lang Park (tie in with Olympics). Venues need to be 40k so we already have
ANZ
SFS
Lang Park
MCG
Marvel
Geelong (will be 40k by 2023)
Adelaide Oval
Perth
So upgrades to Newcastle, GC or Townsville may not happen.

f**king hell if we submit those stadiums we might as well not even bother. When are people going to realise FIFA will not allow World Cup matches to be hosted on cricket ovals. Realistically there is no chance of us hosting the World Cup in our lifetime as there are only 2 cities (Sydney & Brisbane) in the whole country who have a FIFA compliant stadium.

The MCG will never EVER host a World Cup match, its laughable that Victorians think this.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Also the power of TV revenues would work against a FIFA World Cup in Australia due to the time differentials between Australia, Europe and the US.

 

[Danish]

News

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THE event experience at Stadium Australia will be transformed by the installation of the world’s longest straight-run stadium video screen as part of more than $10 million of fan-focused digital upgrades throughout the venue.

Work on the Great Southern Screen will commence after NRL Grand Final Day and it will be in place for the start of the 2022 footy season and well ahead of the 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

NSW Minister for Sport, the Hon. Natalie Ward MLC, said the project would create much-needed construction jobs in Western Sydney later this year.

“I can’t wait to switch on the Great Southern Screen at Stadium Australia next year for the 2022 NRL season,” Minister Ward said.

“This project will create much-needed construction jobs in Western Sydney and, when it goes live, an unmatched experience for NSW sporting fans.

“The NSW Government is continuing to invest in Sydney’s mega-event venue and home of the 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup to ensure it delivers the ultimate live experience for the people of NSW.”

At 120m long and 10m high, the Great Southern Screen will stretch across the entire Athletic Centre end of Stadium Australia. It will be the equivalent of the length of the football field.

The Stadium Australia capacity will remain above 80,000 for the biggest sporting events like NRL Grand Final, State of Origin, Bledisloe Cup, the 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup Final and football internationals.

Government agency Venues NSW, which oversees the State’s major stadiums including Stadium Australia, confirmed that Daktronics Australia had been selected to install new video screens at Stadium Australia after a tender process.

Daktronics Australia Region Manager Blair Robertson said: “Having spent more than 15 years servicing large sport venues globally and with over 50 sport installations throughout Australia and New Zealand, the sheer scale and impact of the Great Southern Screen installation at Stadium Australia will undoubtedly be the most exciting to date.

“The 1200sq/m high-definition video display will entertain and amaze fans . . . it will generate a live game-day experience that has never been experienced in Australia.”

Populous, a global architectural design firm specialising in creating environments and venues that draw communities and people together, has planned the integration of the new video display at Stadium Australia.

Populous Senior Principal Al Baxter said this was a great example of enhancing the event experience and adding flexibility for the event operators at the same time.

“The positioning and functionality of this enormous high-definition screen will create a major impact on fans. Whether it’s watching the finals of the 2023 Women’s World Cup, State of Origin, a Guns N’ Roses concert or for something like the Royal Edinburgh Military Tattoo, every person in the Stadium will be immersed in live feeds, replays, split-screen programming or social media chats.

“Adding the Great Southern Screen seamlessly into the stands takes the view from a 200sq/m screen to a monumental 1200sq/m, creating opportunities for greater event branding, spectator engagement and potential revenue for the stadium hirers.”

In Australia, the biggest high-definition sports video screen currently in operation is at Eagle Farm Racecourse (43.89m x 10.97m), so the Stadium Australia screen will be roughly three times bigger than the next largest video screen in the country.

It will be the longest high-definition straight-run stadium video display anywhere in the world.

imagine the size of the ads they’ll be able to put on that new screen!

 

[clarency]

It is really important to recognise that Fifa's stadium rules are more like guidelines.
The Qatar WC will only use 8 stadiums across the 32 teams;
Meanwhile the Russian WC had 2 stadiums that were barely over 30k.

As long as the bid is considered superior to/attractive over their counterparts then there will be no problem.

Stadiums that could work now for an Aus/NZ bid would be something like:
Stadium Australia
New SFS
Suncorp
Eden Park
MCG/Melbourne Rectangle Stadium (small or wrong shape. Pick one).
Forsyth Barr Stadium (small)

That's a solid 6 that would need relatively minor upgrades.
From here we could look at upgrading Newcastle Sports Centre (with a post-event downgrade). Wollongong would be a good look but will likely fail to make the cut as the stadium can't get that kind of upgrade and there isn't justification for a new stadium.
Sky Stadium in Wellington is too small and wrong size, but very forgiving. It's a possibility.
Christchurch was just mentioned in this thread a page ago as a potential.
A new stadium in Adelaide or Perth wouldn't be a foolish suggestion, but a hard ask.
Marvel (Melbourne) is out of the question as the AFL will not hand it over.
Canberra. Maybe this will put an end to decades of talk and get them to start building.

I'm not putting money on Australia to get this, but I don't believe it is as far-fetched as people think it is. This is the biggest sporting event on the planet, literally. It can't be understated how great this would be for both countries if we were to get it alongside NZ.

 

[Jamberoo]

f**king hell if we submit those stadiums we might as well not even bother. When are people going to realise FIFA will not allow World Cup matches to be hosted on cricket ovals. Realistically there is no chance of us hosting the World Cup in our lifetime as there are only 2 cities (Sydney & Brisbane) in the whole country who have a FIFA compliant stadium.

The MCG will never EVER host a World Cup match, its laughable that Victorians think this.

I agree that we should probably not bother, but perhaps you should let the FFA know about the MCG. It must be why we missed out last time as, from the bid... due to the quality of the stadium, and the stadium's capacity, it is already in FIFA standards, and was proposed to host the opening match for the tournament, in addition to group stage, round of 16, quarterfinal, semifinal and the final.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

At some point, the FIFA are gonna have to give it to us as Oceania is the only region that hasn’t hosted a WC plus it’s in their charter to grow the game everywhere. It’s a matter of whether we’re still around to see it. No doubt the womens’ will be a litmus test.

 

[The Great Dane]

Of the existing stadia, Perth has rectangular mode - used for Union match record crowd, and Adelaide oval and Geelong are very narrow and suitable for soccer. Only the MCG is unsuitable, but as the biggest and best stadium in the Southern Hemisphere, will be happily used. 100k is a magic number.

Maybe you get away with Perth if it's rectangular mode is good, but not the other three, and when you've got at least four stadiums that are ovals (the three above plus the Cake Tin), plus probably a few others that are dodgy rectangles, you've got no hope against the other bids unless you're willing to grease a lot of palms.

It also doesn't really benefit the FFA, or rectangular sports in general, to use ovals anyway. So if I was the rectangular sports I'd push hard for investment into new and upgraded stadiums in strategic locations to be part of the bid.