The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Debt Clock]

Would be ideal of the Sharkies played some games there, Sydney FC and even Souths.

You have to wonder how the sharks will survive.

 

[grozzy]

Jubilee is an inferior dump, and part of the reason why Shark attendance slumped the last couple of years. But why should it get priority when only 6 games a year are played there?

 

[Perth Red]

Jubilee is an inferior dump, and part of the reason why Shark attendance slumped the last couple of years. But why should it get priority when only 6 games a year are played there?

It shouldn’t, in fact to justify spending hundreds of millions of $’s of tax payers money stadiums that get used at least 20-30 times a year for decent sized events should be the minimum requirement. It’s also questionable if a govt should be spending money on infrastructure it doesn’t own, or at least have lease ownership of.

 

[T-Boon]

Jubilee is an inferior dump, and part of the reason why Shark attendance slumped the last couple of years. But why should it get priority when only 6 games a year are played there?

Yeah that was pretty piss weak from Sharks fans. Didn't the club decide to move the games there for the purpose of upgrading Shark Park? Way to show your support guys.

 

[Colk]

We really dont need a new stadium, and spending $350mill on one Isnt good use of our money when for $100mill hbf park will be sorted and we’ll have a quality 25k ish all seating stadium with 80% of seats under cover and new corporate facilities. It’s in a good location, better than optus in some ways, as it’s a good short pub crawl from the city. Not that id say no if they said they were building a 30k new one at Burswood!

Exactly and you had to play a game at a bigger stadium you would just play at Optus

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly and you had to play a game at a bigger stadium you would just play at Optus

Be nice to think that a 25k stadium isnt going to be big enough for NRL but unless there is a major reversal in fortunes for the game it looks like that will be enough for some years to come. But yes we could play finals at Optus if we felt we could sell 30k plus seats. Long way from the action but its a cracking stadium that makes up for the view.

 

[Colk]

Be nice to think that a 25k stadium isnt going to be big enough for NRL but unless there is a major reversal in fortunes for the game it looks like that will be enough for some years to come. But yes we could play finals at Optus if we felt we could sell 30k plus seats. Long way from the action but its a cracking stadium that makes up for the view.

That is what I would referring to. You would either play there for finals or if they wanted to have a double header

 

[Tiger Shark]

You have to wonder how the sharks will survive.

Pretty easily. We'll get more attendance at Shark park than anywhere else. So moving to a Kogarah full time or somewhere else has proven the last 2 years it prob won't work.

If the NRL, or new stadium made it financially incentivizing for the Sharks to play there, enough to counter membership numbers they should consider it but I still can't see them doing up Kogarah when even the Dragons won't and shouldn't commit their full time.

The new SFS makes sense - they'll be potentially 4 teams using it in the Waratahs, Sydney FC, Souths and Roosters.

Is it viable to not build new stadiums but spread the money across significant upgrades to stadiums instead ?

 

[yadamisha]

You have to wonder how the sharks will survive.

You mean like the Sharks having no debt, 2nd largest junior league nursery in Metro Sydney (only behind Penrith), largest female league participation in metro Sydney, St George Junior league becoming increasing merged into the Cronulla junior league, sitting on a gold mine with the new leagues club and precinct as well as the cash flow bonanza of owning extra clubs with more planned, own own ground with more gov funded improvements to come, over $20million invested in future fund ............ Survival is not an issue.

 

[siv]

Yes pretty ordinary for fans to not go watch their team play in the last two years - geezz

Same silly comments were being made about crowds during 1996-99

Bit like saying why didnt the Broncos fans not turn up in Rd1 1996

 

[TheRam]

Jubilee is an inferior dump, and part of the reason why Shark attendance slumped the last couple of years. But why should it get priority when only 6 games a year are played there?

Maybe not priority but we should build wherever and whenever the opportunity comes our way. Always keep lobbying and wanting new upgrades and builds forever. Never stop building and improving as many suburban fields, or dumps that we can redevelop. From cheaper all seated no roof American football bowl type of upgrades, right up to Taj Mahal SFS type of developments.

Like I said just keep redeveloping and building as many quality rectangular grounds as we can all over the country. They are an asset that three different codes and so many sporting communities would gain great pleasure and benefit from.

Remember this user pays globalist decreed Government approach to everything that started way back in the 80's is a crock and only servers the rich and powerful to make more money and monopolies. Government until the 80's had policies that were based on the common good of our society. Then big business wanted to cut out the competition(Gov/us) and make deals and all the money and profits kept for themselves.

I mean we are double paying and more for the privilege of having already built up a service or asset and then selling most of them to private owners at generally bargain prices and then they charge us an increased exorbitant premium for the same service and or product as we had before and so often the service or product is less or worse then before.

Or they as our new Premier loves and is a disciple of (a bankers son, who could have seen it coming?) set up PPP's, private, public partnerships and again we pay through the nose as the end user. More monopolies and profits for big business and we just keep paying premiums forever and our taxes just keep going up because at the end of the day our Governments have nothing else to or no one else to collect revenue from. Lets not forget how Mussolini defined Fascism and how it comes to be. It is created though Public, Private, Partnerships(PPP).

How quickly we forget and don't get taught historical lessons that should be burnt into our consciousness so as we don't repeat the not to distant history of the past.

Anyway, Gov should be there for us and build services and or assets wherever possible even if it means an initial monetary loss, but a massive gain for the public that they are tasked to improve and support to make our lives better and overall happier. They are not there for big business to make massive profit at relatively no risk off the fat of the people.

Remember, Government has the power to make coin(money) and does not need to borrow a cent from any private lenders. So why don't we? It is the law. So why have we engaged private profiteers(Bankers) to create and loan to us what we could create ourselves and issue for no cost to the public and build whatever service or assets we need. WOW, what a world it would be.

Inflation I hear you say? Hardly. As long as you don't issue more species(currency) then workers(labour) then inflation stays intact. Besides, inflation is what bankers have been creating for centuries because they actually get an advantage from it.

Anyway enough of the lesson. If anyone wants to know more on this a great free doco is The Money Masters that is still on youtube and free. Or the follow up The Secret Of Oz. Don't believe me do some research. The rabbit hole is deep though.

Anyway, in my opinion we should just keep building stadiums everywhere. We deserve them. Same goes for all other types of utilities and services like Insurance Companies, Government State and Federal Banks, hospitals, railways, highways, power plants, steel factories, dams, schools, bridges, submarines and so on. Whatever and wherever we deem a public good will come from it and be in and create good competition for private corporations to keep prices down and fair.

We have lost this and now are at the whim of big business to charge whatever they deem fit. They decided a while back to fleece us of all our discretionary income. In other words, you and your spouse, if you have one, will working like a dog till you die if you want to have a roof over your head and a reasonable standard of living. Oh and by the time a 30 year old today retires, there won't be a Gov pension to fall back on because by that stage Gov won't be able to afford you one. The farm will have been sold and user will have had to make sure that he/she can look after themselves just like in so many other countries that are in similar (Gov essentially broke) situations.

Yay us! We're so woke. Just don't call me him or she. I'm to ethereal for that. Call me Misty, cos you can't touch this.

 

[Colk]

Maybe not priority but we should build wherever and whenever the opportunity comes our way. Always keep lobbying and wanting new upgrades and builds forever. Never stop building and improving as many suburban fields, or dumps that we can redevelop. From cheaper all seated no roof American football bowl type of upgrades, right up to Taj Mahal SFS type of developments.

Like I said just keep redeveloping and building as many quality rectangular grounds as we can all over the country. They are an asset that three different codes and so many sporting communities would gain great pleasure and benefit from.

Remember this user pays globalist decreed Government approach to everything that started way back in the 80's is a crock and only servers the rich and powerful to make more money and monopolies. Government until the 80's had policies that were based on the common good of our society. Then big business wanted to cut out the competition(Gov/us) and make deals and all the money and profits kept for themselves.

I mean we are double paying and more for the privilege of having already built up a service or asset and then selling most of them to private owners at generally bargain prices and then they charge us an increased exorbitant premium for the same service and or product as we had before and so often the service or product is less or worse then before.

Or they as our new Premier loves and is a disciple of (a bankers son, who could have seen it coming?) set up PPP's, private, public partnerships and again we pay through the nose as the end user. More monopolies and profits for big business and we just keep paying premiums forever and our taxes just keep going up because at the end of the day our Governments have nothing else to or no one else to collect revenue from. Lets not forget how Mussolini defined Fascism and how it comes to be. It is created though Public, Private, Partnerships(PPP).

How quickly we forget and don't get taught historical lessons that should be burnt into our consciousness so as we don't repeat the not to distant history of the past.

Anyway, Gov should be there for us and build services and or assets wherever possible even if it means an initial monetary loss, but a massive gain for the public that they are tasked to improve and support to make our lives better and overall happier. They are not there for big business to make massive profit at relatively no risk off the fat of the people.

Remember, Government has the power to make coin(money) and does not need to borrow a cent from any private lenders. So why don't we? It is the law. So why have we engaged private profiteers(Bankers) to create and loan to us what we could create ourselves and issue for no cost to the public and build whatever service or assets we need. WOW, what a world it would be.

Inflation I hear you say? Hardly. As long as you don't issue more species(currency) then workers(labour) then inflation stays intact. Besides, inflation is what bankers have been creating for centuries because they actually get an advantage from it.

Anyway enough of the lesson. If anyone wants to know more on this a great free doco is The Money Masters that is still on youtube and free. Or the follow up The Secret Of Oz. Don't believe me do some research. The rabbit hole is deep though.

Anyway, in my opinion we should just keep building stadiums everywhere. We deserve them. Same goes for all other types of utilities and services like Insurance Companies, Government State and Federal Banks, hospitals, railways, highways, power plants, steel factories, dams, schools, bridges, submarines and so on. Whatever and wherever we deem a public good will come from it and be in and create good competition for private corporations to keep prices down and fair.

We have lost this and now are at the whim of big business to charge whatever they deem fit. They decided a while back to fleece us of all our discretionary income. In other words, you and your spouse, if you have one, will working like a dog till you die if you want to have a roof over your head and a reasonable standard of living. Oh and by the time a 30 year old today retires, there won't be a Gov pension to fall back on because by that stage Gov won't be able to afford you one. The farm will have been sold and user will have had to make sure that he/she can look after themselves just like in so many other countries that are in similar (Gov essentially broke) situations.

Yay us! We're so woke. Just don't call me him or she. I'm to ethereal for that. Call me Misty, cos you can't touch this.

Ah yes the fiat currency system.

The argument about why this is created is through the ideas of taxes, as taxes themselves create a need for money as well as a defined value. Think of it this way: if you told people that the government doesn’t need your taxes to spend and that the reserve bank creates all the money for us and the government to spend and utilise - what would happen?

 

[TheRam]

Ah yes the fiat currency system.

The argument about why this is created is through the ideas of taxes, as taxes themselves create a need for money as well as a defined value. Think of it this way: if you told people that the government doesn’t need your taxes to spend and that the reserve bank creates all the money for us and the government to spend and utilise - what would happen?

We wouldn't pay taxes?

 

[Colk]

We wouldn't pay taxes?

Well yes that is implied. A lot of us also wouldn’t work, produce things or perform certain roles which could become a bit of a problem

 

[TheRam]

Well yes that is implied. A lot of us also wouldn’t work, produce things or perform certain roles which could become a bit of a problem

Why because we don't pay taxes? BTW we would pay taxes if it was done properly. A 2% transactional tax on all initial income would be debited from your bank account when you use it. In other words if you get paid $1000 and you spent all of it you would pay $20 tax. That is it. This alone would bring in nearly double the tax revenue that all our 126 current taxes bring in. Oh all other taxes would be abolished including GST.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

I feel ya Ramy, I wish Bernie was Australian too.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Stadium Australia doesn't need a full time tenant. It will still be used often enough for Grand final, big finals matches, origin, and marquee matches like Good Friday. There is enough international content too with Socceroos and Wallabies matches to make it far from a white elephant.

How many times does Wembley get used a year?

Considering Wembley Stadium is owned by the English Football Association, and not by any Government (local or national) the comparison is not quite the same as there is no need to justify anything to voters about funding/running the venue.

 

[Ozzi_78]

I’m looking forward to non sharks fans realising they didn’t add any significant ground upgrades during the redevelopment not understanding what is actually happening at woolooware bay and why it is so beneficial to the club and why it HAD to happen in this order.

As for the survival comment….the sharks have never been safer, it’s not even close.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Ayres interviewed about the stadiums a few days back. It’s hard not seeing Penrith getting a new stadium. Penrith and Manly look good. Kogarah still in the running. Liverpool seemingly never ruled out but no business plan being done. Penrith far ahead to get an outer ws stadium. Liverpool if they get one will be after Penrith.

 

[MugaB]

Ayres interviewed about the stadiums a few days back. It’s hard not seeing Penrith getting a new stadium. Penrith and Manly look good. Kogarah still in the running. Liverpool seemingly never ruled out but no business plan being done. Penrith far ahead to get an outer ws stadium. Liverpool if they get one will be after Penrith.

I heard different a few weeks back, can you post the link please?

I heard it was Brookvale upgrade 1st, then Penrith brand new stadium across the road on the paceways, NO to Kogarah as not many games of 1st grade in any code to justify any refurbishment (*same as Leichardt), then Liverpool brand new on dogs land out there, purpose built for Bulls/Dogs.. and then the fantasy of tigers based there too... bwahahaha