The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[T-Boon]

Thanks mate - I guess the redevelopment will allow hockey to be played on it but will continue to be a Rugby stadium afterwards.

BTW - how the hell do the QRU and AFL (Springfield) own their own ground in Brisbane and the QRL / NRL don't? RL really needs to get better at this Government lobbying thing. The AFL and RU seem to have it down.

That is the kind of expenditure NRL people are too dumb and gready to allow.
The clubs (ie GM/head of football/Coach etc) get more money if less money is spent on long terms things like that. So if Phil Gould allows the NRL to spend on things like that he gets less money.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

That is the kind of expenditure NRL people are too dumb and gready to allow.
The clubs (ie GM/head of football/Coach etc) get more money if less money is spent on long terms things like that. So if Phil Gould allows the NRL to spend on things like that he gets less money.

Government spending is a little different though to NRL central funding. The Government funding for stadiums is spend by the Government directly on a stadium build, it is not paid to the NRL to disperse so the clubs would have no say other than the advice the NRL gives the Government on where it wants stadium money spent.

 

[T-Boon]

Government spending is a little different though to NRL central funding. The Government funding for stadiums is spend by the Government directly on a stadium build, it is not paid to the NRL to disperse so the clubs would have no say other than the advice the NRL gives the Government on where it wants stadium money spent.

I know, but the government lobbying (to get that government expenditure) costs money - a lot actually if they want to be successful.
That is what the clubs would not allow the NRL to spend on.

 

[Jamberoo]

Thinking you need a club in every suburb to cover the city.

So was this mistake made in 1908? But all the teams were inner city then. Or when they added teams over the years they should have added more inner city teams? Or should they have had foreknowledge post WW2 that the comp would expand beyond Sydney in half a century and that they should have not added Canterbury, Manly, Parra, Cronulla & Penrith. Just run with the seven clubs for 60 years? People would still have to travel across town to games regardless of where the teams are based. And we are told that Syndeysiders are not prepared to do so.
This is a shame, but I fail to see when and where a mistake was made in where that new teams were placed.

 

[Pippen94]

What was the reason then? Please enlighten me

The only reason the NRL has stated was to boast grassroots in qld..

 

[T-Boon]

So was this mistake made in 1908? But all the teams were inner city then. Or when they added teams over the years they should have added more inner city teams? Or should they have had foreknowledge post WW2 that the comp would expand beyond Sydney in half a century and that they should have not added Canterbury, Manly, Parra, Cronulla & Penrith. Just run with the seven clubs for 60 years? People would still have to travel across town to games regardless of where the teams are based. And we are told that Syndeysiders are not prepared to do so.
This is a shame, but I fail to see when and where a mistake was made in where that new teams were placed.

During the reformation after the schism.
The disloyal clubs should have been relocated to other parts of the country then. Everyone would be better off now.

 

[siv]

If a team that is created specifically for a city fails then manufacturing one from a Sydney entity won’t work. But your opinion won’t be changed and that’s fine. Let’s see if a Sydney club is ever moved and then we will know who is right.

Some clubs seem to work.in other cities, some dont

Eg Easts with their natural Melbourne rivalry works in Adelaide better than any other club

But the concept of 3 odd heritage games gives ubs like Easts or any ither relocated club a viable structure

I could Wests-Tigers playing out of Perth working in this model

 

[Pippen94]

Some clubs seem to work.in other cities, some dont

Eg Easts with their natural Melbourne rivalry works in Adelaide better than any other club

But the concept of 3 odd heritage games gives ubs like Easts or any ither relocated club a viable structure

I could Wests-Tigers playing out of Perth working in this model

Yeah, roosters are leaving their new 40k stadium & the heart of the biggest city in the country for Adelaide!!

 

[T-Boon]

We definitely need the SFS to be represented by a bigger part of sydney than just the rugby/afl area east of. Roosters need to take over the North Sydney area.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

We definitely need the SFS to be represented by a bigger part of sydney than just the rugby/afl area east of. Roosters need to take over the North Sydney area.

Which is why I am for the relocation or culling of Manly. It's just plain dumb how people with a chip on their shoulder over the Roosters' success want to ship them over to Adelaide, but are keen to keep a small club like Manly around to represent a small pocket of people on the peninsula. Roosters have the potential to become a big club on the North Shore and Northern Beaches, while covering the CBD and eastern suburbs. They just need Manly and North Sydney to get out of the way so they can convert the kids from North Shore and Northern Beaches into Roosters fans.

 

[Jamberoo]

What's interesting in this thread is people getting so worked up about things that are never going to happen. No teams will merge or be relocated. Whether you think it is a good idea or not, it ain't going to happen any time soon. Cutting clubs in Sydney where the AFL is making huge inroads is not the way to take the fight to the AFL. It would be gifting them thousands of fans. Moving teams to other parts of the country would be a fail. Yes the Swans are huge now but they were a disaster for 13 seasons. Fitzroy were not relocated or merged with Brisbane, Brisbane already had a team and they just took eight Fitzroy players (our of a list of 50) and changed their nickname. It gave them some more support in Melbourne, but they would be doing just as well in Brisbane as the Bears. And there are now very few Brisbane Lions fans in Melbourne. Most Fitzroy families I know have a passive interest at best, certainly much less than fans of other clubs.
Hard Pass on relocations and mergers. They are crap.

 

[Colk]

Which is why I am for the relocation or culling of Manly. It's just plain dumb how people with a chip on their shoulder over the Roosters' success want to ship them over to Adelaide, but are keen to keep a small club like Manly around to represent a small pocket of people on the peninsula. Roosters have the potential to become a big club on the North Shore and Northern Beaches, while covering the CBD and eastern suburbs. They just need Manly and North Sydney to get out of the way so they can convert the kids from North Shore and Northern Beaches into Roosters fans.

I agree with a lot of what you say but seriously f### the Roosters. They are an absolute cancer on the competition

 

[Colk]

So was this mistake made in 1908? But all the teams were inner city then. Or when they added teams over the years they should have added more inner city teams? Or should they have had foreknowledge post WW2 that the comp would expand beyond Sydney in half a century and that they should have not added Canterbury, Manly, Parra, Cronulla & Penrith. Just run with the seven clubs for 60 years? People would still have to travel across town to games regardless of where the teams are based. And we are told that Syndeysiders are not prepared to do so.
This is a shame, but I fail to see when and where a mistake was made in where that new teams were placed.

The mistakes occurred, with a degree of hindsight, when they incepted teams from outer suburban Sydney in 1947 and 1967. Some of them have or will work due to the natural growth of the city westwards (so Parramatta and Penrith have and will work out because those areas could expand in terms of land). Canterbury is also fairly central and has also expanded so that has worked

Manly and Cronulla on the other hand (notwithstanding the former’s great on field success) were perhaps not great decisions because they cannabilised existing clubs (Norths and St George), are water locked areas (so they are in areas which can’t expand territorially) and they are areas which are quite inaccessible to the city. In hindsight if you were going to put in terms so far in the outskirts of Sydney you would have probably been better off introducing teams that weren’t Sydney based at all like Newcastle, Illawarra or Canberra but meh what is done is done.

Now Manly and Cronulla just need to work on getting greater support and reach particularly within the inner city.

 

[T-Boon]

What's interesting in this thread is people getting so worked up about things that are never going to happen. No teams will merge or be relocated. Whether you think it is a good idea or not, it ain't going to happen any time soon. Cutting clubs in Sydney where the AFL is making huge inroads is not the way to take the fight to the AFL. It would be gifting them thousands of fans. Moving teams to other parts of the country would be a fail. Yes the Swans are huge now but they were a disaster for 13 seasons. Fitzroy were not relocated or merged with Brisbane, Brisbane already had a team and they just took eight Fitzroy players (our of a list of 50) and changed their nickname. It gave them some more support in Melbourne, but they would be doing just as well in Brisbane as the Bears. And there are now very few Brisbane Lions fans in Melbourne. Most Fitzroy families I know have a passive interest at best, certainly much less than fans of other clubs.
Hard Pass on relocations and mergers. They are crap.

So you went from never to no time soon (which is a big difference ((infinite)) within about 5 seconds.
Actually now i think about it "no time soon" is vague.
You should remember that last year covid nearly ended a few clubs.

 

[siv]

Which is why I am for the relocation or culling of Manly. It's just plain dumb how people with a chip on their shoulder over the Roosters' success want to ship them over to Adelaide, but are keen to keep a small club like Manly around to represent a small pocket of people on the peninsula. Roosters have the potential to become a big club on the North Shore and Northern Beaches, while covering the CBD and eastern suburbs. They just need Manly and North Sydney to get out of the way so they can convert the kids from North Shore and Northern Beaches into Roosters fans.

I think you will find Souths all ready have most of the area south of Port Jackson covered which includes what call the CBD and eastern suburbs and now have strong support across a lot of Sydney too.

It makes logical sense that they move back to their 1908 Moore Park base now that the trams are in place

Easts are becoming the defacto CC Bears by stealth but dont represent those communities

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I agree with a lot of what you say but seriously f### the Roosters. They are an absolute cancer on the competition

I don't like seeing them win all the time, but they're an important club, like the Storm and Broncos.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think you will find Souths all ready have most of the area south of Port Jackson covered which includes what call the CBD and eastern suburbs and now have strong support across a lot of Sydney too.

It makes logical sense that they move back to their 1908 Moore Park base now that the trams are in place

Easts are becoming the defacto CC Bears by stealth but dont represent those communities

Roosters and Rabbitohs should be based out of Moore Park.

North Sydney Roosters and South Sydney Rabbitohs would be great. Just need the Bears and Sea Eagles to go away so we can have two massive clubs representing the eastern part of the city.

 

[Perth Red]

So was this mistake made in 1908? But all the teams were inner city then. Or when they added teams over the years they should have added more inner city teams? Or should they have had foreknowledge post WW2 that the comp would expand beyond Sydney in half a century and that they should have not added Canterbury, Manly, Parra, Cronulla & Penrith. Just run with the seven clubs for 60 years? People would still have to travel across town to games regardless of where the teams are based. And we are told that Syndeysiders are not prepared to do so.
This is a shame, but I fail to see when and where a mistake was made in where that new teams were placed.

No it’s a historic error that the game has been trying to sort out since it decided to try and build a national comp onto a 1 city comp., Best time would have been 1998, they had the chance then to pull the plaster off and sort it by keeping Adelaide, Perth, Crushers, Gold Coast and adding Melbourne. This would have meant some very tough love in Sydney. Cest le vie.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No it’s a historic error that the game has been trying to sort out since it decided to try and build a national comp onto a 1 city comp., Best time would have been 1998, they had the chance then to pull the plaster off and sort it by keeping Adelaide, Perth, Crushers, Gold Coast and adding Melbourne. This would have meant some very tough love in Sydney. Cest le vie.

The NSWRL didn't give a stuff about the fans of traditional clubs from Brisbane, Wollongong, Newcastle and Canberra. If you went for the Wests Panthers, Easts Tigers, Redcliffe Dolphins, Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns, Norths Devils or Souths Magpies in 1987 then you were told that you now had to support the Broncos in 1988 because the NSWRL decided it wanted to turn the local competition into a feeder league. The game survived in Brisbane. There's no reason why RL cannot survive in Sydney after some of its dead weight clubs are given the flick. Newtown and North Sydney are gone, but the remaining clubs are stronger today than they were in 1981.

 

[siv]

The NSWRL didn't give a stuff about the fans of traditional clubs from Brisbane, Wollongong, Newcastle and Canberra. If you went for the Wests Panthers, Easts Tigers, Redcliffe Dolphins, Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns, Norths Devils or Souths Magpies in 1987 then you were told that you now had to support the Broncos in 1988 because the NSWRL decided it wanted to turn the local competition into a feeder league. The game survived in Brisbane. There's no reason why RL cannot survive in Sydney after some of its dead weight clubs are given the flick. Newtown and North Sydney are gone, but the remaining clubs are stronger today than they were in 1981.

I think you will find that was never the case

You lost the strong regional clubs when in the 50s they were getting beaten by big scores

Divisions came in the state cups in the 60s

Brisbane clubs joined the midweek cup but couldnt compete so finally combined, and Combined Brisbane could compete. That success triggered the Broncos a few years later