The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Colk]

lol you are just proving his point, sour grapes over our success I would say.

Explain how we are a 'cancer' on the competition

Because firstly you don’t produce any players from a junior perspective.

Secondly you have gamed the system completely - the transfer system and the salary cap is an absolute joke mainly because of the influence of your club. The salary cap is ineffective and can’t be policed properly. Furthermore the competition can’t progress with things like drafts, flexible salary caps, incentives for juniors etc which could make the game and the competition stronger because it might hurt your precious little club.

Thirdly your chief has way too much power in the game; a power which is completely disproportionate to that of any other chief executive/owner.

Lastly, you are just not that well supported. It is a stupid idea to have a club that is very much disliked and expect them to suddenly take over the whole of North Sydney and become some very well supported club. If you can’t be a well supported club after the success you have had over the past 25-30 years, then you never will be

 

[Colk]

The way the Roosters are able to "cleverly" manipulate the salary cap while everyone else sits back going "WTF is going on there" is cancer like. With cancer you know you are sick but you cant work out why.
The cancer cells are hard to detect and they prey on unhealthy bodies.
So you might think of the Roosters "cleverness" as the cancer and the Tigers dumbness as the cigarette addiction (this specific example relates to the Roosters cancer cells corrupting Tedesco and turning him into a cancer - this was the low point of RL history in my opinion).
We cant see what's going on at the molecular level but paper bags are passing hands.

Well it’s an interesting analogy T-Boon. The problem is with the system as of now is the fact that there is absolute no transparency. Really the only way any club has been caught out by the auditor has been through things like rep bonuses (which are generally very minimal). The large scale rotting has only been uncovered via whistleblowers not by the auditor which is evidence of the major flaw.

So in order to remove the perception that is out there you need to have something else in the system that somewhat negates the pull factor of certain locations or clubs

 

[Ozzi_78]

Seriously though even roosters fans must realise that Politis has some influence that isn’t just based on his smile. It won’t ever come out though as there is too much to lose.

 

[Colk]

Feel free to back ur statement with something..

Okie dok. They were picked because they had the least material impact on the Broncos (the News Ltd owned team) and the Titans.

“They would cannibalise the Broncos”: Why Brisbane prefer Redcliffe bid

“They believe that Redcliffe has more of its own identity.”

www.sen.com.au

Redcliffe Dolphins revealed as ‘preferred candidate’ for 17th NRL team

Redcliffe Dolphins revealed as ‘preferred candidate’ for 17th NRL team

www.google.com.au

 

[Loose Cannon]

We’ve had them for years. You’d know this if you’d have gone to the games and understand better.

I didn’t think Cronulla could claim Donut since 2016.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Well it’s an interesting analogy T-Boon. The problem is with the system as of now is the fact that there is absolute no transparency. Really the only way any club has been caught out by the auditor has been through things like rep bonuses (which are generally very minimal). The large scale rotting has only been uncovered via whistleblowers not by the auditor which is evidence of the major flaw.

So in order to remove the perception that is out there you need to have something else in the system that somewhat negates the pull factor of certain locations or clubs

That's actually pretty easy. Just like the US Sports do. Publish official salaries on the books of players. Not this just rumours stuff we get. As well as ensure all official salaries come from the NRL. This means anything else they receive must have either come from a 3rd Party sponsor which they must declare or nefarious sources. Makes the players liable as well. So they also know it's not legit. You would see players wanting more on the books than off it in case it blows up.

 

[Valheru]

Because firstly you don’t produce any players from a junior perspective.

Secondly you have gamed the system completely - the transfer system and the salary cap is an absolute joke mainly because of the influence of your club. The salary cap is ineffective and can’t be policed properly. Furthermore the competition can’t progress with things like drafts, flexible salary caps, incentives for juniors etc which could make the game and the competition stronger because it might hurt your precious little club.

Thirdly your chief has way too much power in the game; a power which is completely disproportionate to that of any other chief executive/owner.

Lastly, you are just not that well supported. It is a stupid idea to have a club that is very much disliked and expect them to suddenly take over the whole of North Sydney and become some very well supported club. If you can’t be a well supported club after the success you have had over the past 25-30 years, then you never will be

Lol what a sook.

The first point is untrue. We had as many juniors in our best 17 last year as did parra. Our area is small, not much we can do about that and there are historical reasons as to why that is the case thus the move in to other areas such as North Sydney, CC and Wollongong. Our CC juniors teams have been particularly successful of late.

The second point is just a sook about how successful the roosters are.

Lol at the 3rd point. Just another sook due to envy

Last point is wrong. Membership and crowd numbers are fine and will only increase with our shiny new stadium which you as a tax payer have funded so that you for that. We aren't the best supported team in Sydney and never will be but we are also far from the least supported. See the NRL fan surveys for perspective.

I did enjoy your sook though, you hit all the buzz words.

 

[Tiger Shark]

Can we please keep on topic.

This is a Sharks bashing thread for all the out of towners who know more about Rugby League in Sydney than Sydney supporters do and also have a team with zero chance of being competitive next year.

 

[mongoose]

Because firstly you don’t produce any players from a junior perspective.

Secondly you have gamed the system completely - the transfer system and the salary cap is an absolute joke mainly because of the influence of your club. The salary cap is ineffective and can’t be policed properly. Furthermore the competition can’t progress with things like drafts, flexible salary caps, incentives for juniors etc which could make the game and the competition stronger because it might hurt your precious little club.

Thirdly your chief has way too much power in the game; a power which is completely disproportionate to that of any other chief executive/owner.

Lastly, you are just not that well supported. It is a stupid idea to have a club that is very much disliked and expect them to suddenly take over the whole of North Sydney and become some very well supported club. If you can’t be a well supported club after the success you have had over the past 25-30 years, then you never will be

Isn't wanting the Roosters to produce juniors and wanting a draft contradictory? A Draft would only work if the NRL does all the junior development and takes it out of the hands of the clubs.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Okie dok. They were picked because they had the least material impact on the Broncos (the News Ltd owned team) and the Titans.

“They would cannibalise the Broncos”: Why Brisbane prefer Redcliffe bid

“They believe that Redcliffe has more of its own identity.”

www.sen.com.au

Redcliffe Dolphins revealed as ‘preferred candidate’ for 17th NRL team

Redcliffe Dolphins revealed as ‘preferred candidate’ for 17th NRL team

www.google.com.au

They were also clearly the best of the three options. Firehawks was a really impressive bid but they didn't have the same financial clout that Redcliffe did.

Also, not cannibalising existing clubs is a pretty good idea and shows that the NRL is learning from the Sydney oversaturation problem.

 

[Colk]

Lol what a sook.

The first point is untrue. We had as many juniors in our best 17 last year as did parra. Our area is small, not much we can do about that and there are historical reasons as to why that is the case thus the move in to other areas such as North Sydney, CC and Wollongong. Our CC juniors teams have been particularly successful of late.

The second point is just a sook about how successful the roosters are.

Lol at the 3rd point. Just another sook due to envy

Last point is wrong. Membership and crowd numbers are fine and will only increase with our shiny new stadium which you as a tax payer have funded so that you for that. We aren't the best supported team in Sydney and never will be but we are also far from the least supported. See the NRL fan surveys for perspective.

I did enjoy your sook though, you hit all the buzz words.

Your response is what I expected from a Roosters supporter. Can’t see beyond your own reflection.

I couldn’t give a rats who wins per se - for example I don’t hate the Storm even though they have had the same amount of success the Roosters have had. I just know an ineffective transfer system and salary cap when I see one. For example, do you know how much players are being paid or is it just ‘speculation’? Is it appropriately policed and if not can it be? Do you consider factors like the actual location of the team? Do you consider factors such advice junior development? Or do you want to keep going on with this myth that it all just comes down to how great the Roosters are and all the other media BS? Take off your Roosters glasses for a sec and ask yourself whether the salary cap is effective or not? I know that might challenge your world view a little but if you want to actually contest the salary cap and the transfer system and why it is effective and transparent then please do.

Second point your membership and supporter base should be more than just ‘fine’ considering your success. Your membership numbers are less than the Tigers - a team that hasn’t made the finals in 10 years. That goes to the point of why suggestions that the Roosters could become such a mega supported club taking over the whole of North Sydney and how it is such a furphy.

Also, you need to learn basic monetary theory. Tax money regulates demand for the currency, not supply - essentially I am not paying for the stadium and neither are you.

Isn't wanting the Roosters to produce juniors and wanting a draft contradictory? A Draft would only work if the NRL does all the junior development and takes it out of the hands of the clubs.

That aspect is contradictory but nevertheless a draft would challenge their hegemony. To make it clear though, I am not a fan of a draft but I am a fan of the NRL funding junior development instead of the clubs.

Notwithstanding the point is that the salary cap in isolation doesn’t work. Every other competition in the world has some kind of system that is built in to readdress inherent inequalities.

 

[Colk]

They were also clearly the best of the three options. Firehawks was a really impressive bid but they didn't have the same financial clout that Redcliffe did.

Also, not cannibalising existing clubs is a pretty good idea and shows that the NRL is learning from the Sydney oversaturation problem.

The whole point of having another club was surely that they play all their home games at Suncorp. Their current location is a problem hence why they are choosing just a logo to somehow convince everyone that it isn’t.

Also the problem with the market is just as much about where they are located as to how many sides that are actually based there. Having outer suburban sides complicates things on a number of levels - it is a negative on sponsorships, recruitment and supporter bases. It is not just a coincidence that outer suburban Sydney sides are often poorer than teams located closer to the commercial centre (excluding Penrith) and excluding the Roosters on the supporter front less supported. They in essence become de facto regional teams.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The whole point of having another club was surely that they play all their home games at Suncorp. Their current location is a problem hence why they are choosing just a logo to somehow convince everyone that it isn’t.

Also the problem with the market is just as much about where they are located as to how many sides that are actually based there. Having outer suburban sides complicates things on a number of levels - it is a negative on sponsorships, recruitment and supporter bases. It is not just a coincidence that outer suburban Sydney sides are often poorer than teams located closer to the commercial centre (excluding Penrith) and excluding the Roosters on the supporter front less supported. They in essence become de facto regional teams.

The Dolphins will play their games at Suncorp and I'm sure when they actually kick off we will see that they will instantly be in the top 2 or 3 average attended teams in the league. The fact that they are based and train at Redcliffe is a little overblown on here. They'll be fine.

 

[mongoose]

Your response is what I expected from a Roosters supporter. Can’t see beyond your own reflection.

I couldn’t give a rats who wins per se - for example I don’t hate the Storm even though they have had the same amount of success the Roosters have had. I just know an ineffective transfer system and salary cap when I see one. For example, do you know how much players are being paid or is it just ‘speculation’? Is it appropriately policed and if not can it be? Do you consider factors like the actual location of the team? Do you consider factors such advice junior development? Or do you want to keep going on with this myth that it all just comes down to how great the Roosters are and all the other media BS? Take off your Roosters glasses for a sec and ask yourself whether the salary cap is effective or not? I know that might challenge your world view a little but if you want to actually contest the salary cap and the transfer system and why it is effective and transparent then please do.

Second point your membership and supporter base should be more than just ‘fine’ considering your success. Your membership numbers are less than the Tigers - a team that hasn’t made the finals in 10 years. That goes to the point of why suggestions that the Roosters could become such a mega supported club taking over the whole of North Sydney and how it is such a furphy.

Also, you need to learn basic monetary theory. Tax money regulates demand for the currency, not supply - essentially I am not paying for the stadium and neither are you.



That aspect is contradictory but nevertheless a draft would challenge their hegemony. To make it clear though, I am not a fan of a draft but I am a fan of the NRL funding junior development instead of the clubs.

Notwithstanding the point is that the salary cap in isolation doesn’t work. Every other competition in the world has some kind of system that is built in to readdress inherent inequalities.

Maybe the Roosters have unfair advantages, maybe they don't. I wouldn't call them a cancer on the comp though. I think they still add a lot of value to the NRL. They play into the silvertails narrative and you need teams that people love to hate. They are in the wealthy enclave of Sydney and I bet Union and AFL hate that League still has a presence in the richest, snobbiest part of the country.

 

[Suitman]

Parramatta Leagues Club Hotel | Planning Portal - Department of Planning and Environment

www.planningportal.nsw.gov.au

Parra Leagues Club Hotel proposal.

 

[Colk]

The Dolphins will play their games at Suncorp and I'm sure when they actually kick off we will see that they will instantly be in the top 2 or 3 average attended teams in the league. The fact that they are based and train at Redcliffe is a little overblown on here. They'll be fine.

I hope so. I worry about the history of RL expansion and the players they have signed thus far have been very underwhelming. It doesn’t help when they haven’t been given enough time and how they are entering the competition (besides the money they are generating) seems to be an afterthought.

Can’t really afford the new side to be Knights circa 2016 or have had the same problems as the Titans have had (luckily they seem to be turning a corner and long may it continue)

 

[Colk]

Maybe the Roosters have unfair advantages, maybe they don't. I wouldn't call them a cancer on the comp though. I think they still add a lot of value to the NRL. They play into the silvertails narrative and you need teams that people love to hate. They are in the wealthy enclave of Sydney and I bet Union and AFL hate that League still has a presence in the richest, snobbiest part of the country.

Very sensible post. You are right that people need a team to hate and we as Canberra supporters have good reason to.

However one thing I’ll say about the Roosters and their method of assembling squads by continually buying the best player or players on the market: it is unique in a supposedly regulated competition. To me it underscores that there is a complete imbalance to the system which needs to be addressed

 

[Captain Apollo]

Very sensible post. You are right that people need a team to hate and we as Canberra supporters have good reason to.

However one thing I’ll say about the Roosters and their method of assembling squads by continually buying the best player or players on the market: it is unique in a supposedly regulated competition. To me it underscores that there is a complete imbalance to the system which needs to be addressed

No. What it says is that some teams have really crap recruitment officers. Even in sports which have salary caps and drafts (e.g. NFL, NBA), you still wind up with teams who do well year after year and others who are poor year after year. As such real world experience shows how much manure your contention is.

 

[Ozzi_78]

Parramatta Leagues Club Hotel | Planning Portal - Department of Planning and Environment

www.planningportal.nsw.gov.au

Parra Leagues Club Hotel proposal.

Great idea here by the eels. Adding accomodation to increase customer count to their club next door. Such forward thinking, if only other clubs did similar.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I hope so. I worry about the history of RL expansion and the players they have signed thus far have been very underwhelming. It doesn’t help when they haven’t been given enough time and how they are entering the competition (besides the money they are generating) seems to be an afterthought.

Can’t really afford the new side to be Knights circa 2016 or have had the same problems as the Titans have had (luckily they seem to be turning a corner and long may it continue)

Yeah I agree, we definitely don't want a basket case club added to the league. Redcliffe are a well run club so I'm happy to give them the chance to make a success of it.