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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Perth Red

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Pretty darn jealous about this one; as if we didn't already have enough to be envious about as Sydneysiders when it comes to sporting precincts.

Shttest thing is they had the chance to build a new rectangular stadium along side it and instead threw $125mill tarting up nib. Massive missed opportunity to create a world class multi sport stadium precinct used all year round.
 

magpie_man

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Shttest thing is they had the chance to build a new rectangular stadium along side it and instead threw $125mill tarting up nib. Massive missed opportunity to create a world class multi sport stadium precinct used all year round.

Where abouts is NIB in relation to Perth's layout? I've only visited Perth a handful of times and have never attended any sort of sporting event there so I'm not exactly au fait with its geography.
 

Pj,Rj,Hj

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Where abouts is NIB in relation to Perth's layout? I've only visited Perth a handful of times and have never attended any sort of sporting event there so I'm not exactly au fait with its geography.

NIB Stadium is only 1km north east of the Perth GPO and Central Train Station. Basically a 1200m walk. Its non sponsored name is Perth Oval.
I'm not convinced its a missed opportunity not building a 30/35000 seat rectangular stadium along side the new Oval stadium. It was an option for the Burswood site in the original Stadium task-force report 10 years ago but it wasn't an option for the 2 other sites sites suggested. The Force got some decent 30 000+ crowds at Subi when they started but you couldn't justify building a 35000 seater at Burswood now.

NIB Stadium is also within a very well established urban fabric with hospitality and entertainment options that have soul easily within walking distance such as Northbridge and Highgate/Mt Lawley. Far more preferable than the Burswood Casino 1100m South of the Burswood Stadium. The heritage Morten Bay figs also add a positive character to the setting and influence on the stadium architecture which can't be replicated on a green/brown field site built anew.

NIB can still be expanded to 30 000 through Stage 3 (new Western Stand with suites) though that won't happen till it can be financially justified with 3 tenants of A-League, NRL and Rugby Union. The ARU have put that back many years with their pitiful treatment of WA, any WA State Government will be very weary of offering to foot the expansion bill for years to come. It also needs the Glory and any incarnation of the Force if Twiggyball gets up and going to start pulling sellout crowds rather than the roughly 10 000 that tend to show up.
 
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Where abouts is NIB in relation to Perth's layout? I've only visited Perth a handful of times and have never attended any sort of sporting event there so I'm not exactly au fait with its geography.

NIB is on the east of the CBD. It’s actually pretty close to the new stadium, 3km away. So maybe understandable that they didn’t want to build a whole new stadium over the river.
 

horrie hastings

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The old members stands will go over my dead body. Why would you want to remove that history?!

The stadium will look much more consistent when they knock down the O’rielly stand.

Yes the next stage of the SCG was to demolish the O'Rielly stand and they were also looking at upgrading the Churchill and Brewongle stand by lifting the roof line to be in line with the Victor Trumper stand or even demolishing the Brewongle/ Churchill stand. The Ladies and the Members stands will never go unless they become structurally unsound.
 

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NIB Stadium is only 1km north east of the Perth GPO and Central Train Station. Basically a 1200m walk. Its non sponsored name is Perth Oval.
I'm not convinced its a missed opportunity not building a 30/35000 seat rectangular stadium along side the new Oval stadium. It was an option for the Burswood site in the original Stadium task-force report 10 years ago but it wasn't an option for the 2 other sites sites suggested. The Force got some decent 30 000+ crowds at Subi when they started but you couldn't justify building a 35000 seater at Burswood now.

NIB Stadium is also within a very well established urban fabric with hospitality and entertainment options that have soul easily within walking distance such as Northbridge and Highgate/Mt Lawley. Far more preferable than the Burswood Casino 1100m South of the Burswood Stadium. The heritage Morten Bay figs also add a positive character to the setting and influence on the stadium architecture which can't be replicated on a green/brown field site built anew.

NIB can still be expanded to 30 000 through Stage 3 (new Western Stand with suites) though that won't happen till it can be financially justified with 3 tenants of A-League, NRL and Rugby Union. The ARU have put that back many years with their pitiful treatment of WA, any WA State Government will be very weary of offering to foot the expansion bill for years to come. It also needs the Glory and any incarnation of the Force if Twiggyball gets up and going to start pulling sellout crowds rather than the roughly 10 000 that tend to show up.


Im pretty sure the old Perth Oval is the venue I attended on my only ever visit to Perth, I think Pearl Jam played there in 2009? but that was before the upgrades
 

beave

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That microbrewery near the new Perth stadium, I pray to god the same thing happens at the new NQ stadium.
 
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Yes the next stage of the SCG was to demolish the O'Rielly stand and they were also looking at upgrading the Churchill and Brewongle stand by lifting the roof line to be in line with the Victor Trumper stand or even demolishing the Brewongle/ Churchill stand. The Ladies and the Members stands will never go unless they become structurally unsound.

Do you know anything about why they didn’t make the roofline of the Noble & Bradman stands the same as the Trumper stand?

I have a feeling it might be because it’s on the north side of the ground & they wanted more sunlight to get on to the field, but I’ve never heard a definitive reason.
 

horrie hastings

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Do you know anything about why they didn’t make the roofline of the Noble & Bradman stands the same as the Trumper stand?

I have a feeling it might be because it’s on the north side of the ground & they wanted more sunlight to get on to the field, but I’ve never heard a definitive reason.

No actually don't know anything about that, actually never thought about the difference of the roof line for the Noble and Bradman, maybe they are different because on one side you have the gap between it and the Members stand and on the other you have the giant scoreboard so the roofline didn't matter so much because they didn't have to link up with other stands.
 

Perth Red

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NIB Stadium is only 1km north east of the Perth GPO and Central Train Station. Basically a 1200m walk. Its non sponsored name is Perth Oval.
I'm not convinced its a missed opportunity not building a 30/35000 seat rectangular stadium along side the new Oval stadium. It was an option for the Burswood site in the original Stadium task-force report 10 years ago but it wasn't an option for the 2 other sites sites suggested. The Force got some decent 30 000+ crowds at Subi when they started but you couldn't justify building a 35000 seater at Burswood now.

NIB Stadium is also within a very well established urban fabric with hospitality and entertainment options that have soul easily within walking distance such as Northbridge and Highgate/Mt Lawley. Far more preferable than the Burswood Casino 1100m South of the Burswood Stadium. The heritage Morten Bay figs also add a positive character to the setting and influence on the stadium architecture which can't be replicated on a green/brown field site built anew.

NIB can still be expanded to 30 000 through Stage 3 (new Western Stand with suites) though that won't happen till it can be financially justified with 3 tenants of A-League, NRL and Rugby Union. The ARU have put that back many years with their pitiful treatment of WA, any WA State Government will be very weary of offering to foot the expansion bill for years to come. It also needs the Glory and any incarnation of the Force if Twiggyball gets up and going to start pulling sellout crowds rather than the roughly 10 000 that tend to show up.

parking is sht around nib when big crowd and a fair walk from nearest train station
Perth will eventually need a 30k rectangular stadium
$125mill didn't even get us half the stadium refurbed
Heritage issues mean future refurb is going to be a pain and costly
The infrastructure to Perth stadium is going to be amazing and rectangular sports could have benefited from that.

Out of interest we go shafted previously, when the Perth convention centre car park deal was done the company who got the rights were supposed to build a 25k rectangular stadium where the Perth arena is now. They were meant to pay for it as part of the deal. Somehow wiggled got out of it, on the hush hush, and it never got built and the arena was put on that land. Shame as it would have been a brilliant spot for a stadium.
 

Pj,Rj,Hj

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parking is sht around nib when big crowd and a fair walk from nearest train station
Perth will eventually need a 30k rectangular stadium
$125mill didn't even get us half the stadium refurbed
Heritage issues mean future refurb is going to be a pain and costly
The infrastructure to Perth stadium is going to be amazing and rectangular sports could have benefited from that.
Horses for courses but a 600m walk from East Perth or Claisebrook Stations is a non issue to me. Granted modeling suggests in Australia walking drops as an option above a measly 400m. Parking certainly is shit but planners are certainly not trying to encourage cars.
Agreed that $125 million was very frustrating. The damn Stadium issue as you'll remember became a massive political football. Labor never settled on the rectangular stadium solution options presented in the taskforce report by the time they were kicked out of office. Barnett chose a staged rebuild of Perth Oval rather than the $300 million up front options of a rectangular stadium at either Burswood, East Perth power-station (also an option for the Football/Cricket stadium) or a total rebuild of the Perth Oval site (Hunt Architects had provided some relatively uninspiring designs for the latter).
The stage redevelopment has clearly stalled under current economic conditions and the average to poor crowds from the Glory and Force. It is very annoying as NIB Stadium will end up costing a lot more to finish while the Gov has legitimate excuses to not finish it for at least the medium term. It can't not be done though as the facilities on the western wing are antiquated, nowhere near up to speed in broadcasting and corporate requirements.
I'm not sure if the heritage issues would cause that much pain or additional cost. The tree aren't going anywhere but there's plenty of room regardless on the western wing for an additional 8000 seats and 2000 more on the northern end. Due to the shape of the block, any western Stand can't be a mirror of the eastern stand but a taller wedge shaped stand will fit. It's not that hard to have the heritage status of the Fred D Book Stand removed. As an example or 1950's civic Architecture, Perth has two more very similar examples at Lathlain and Leederville Ovals.

Out of interest we go shafted previously, when the Perth convention centre car park deal was done the company who got the rights were supposed to build a 25k rectangular stadium where the Perth arena is now. They were meant to pay for it as part of the deal. Somehow wiggled got out of it, on the hush hush, and it never got built and the arena was put on that land. Shame as it would have been a brilliant spot for a stadium.

That was a real stitch-up because the government was in bed with Multiplex. The Leighton Consortium was eliminated because they opted in their plans to redevelop the WACA with movable seating, the Gov stood by the excuse that they wanted a dedicated Rectangular Stadium. The Nexus Consortium's plans had the most impressive of Stadium of the 3 but they were eliminated because their Convention Centre was placed next door above the rail lines, the Gov wanted it near the river. So we ended up with the dullest of the 3 options in Multiplex who wormed their way out of building the stadium and blamed the Perth Glory.
I was very annoyed at the time but it's worked out as a great location for a more impressive building being the Arena. The site lacked the room to expand beyond 25 000 anyway.
 

Perth Red

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600m walk is all we’re talking about?!

Weren’t you previously saying @Perth Red that the 2km walk to the SFS is no big deal?

Why then is a 600m walk to NIB a deal breaker?

TBH I usually pub crawl from northbridge or Beaufort street so didn't realise east Perth station was so close!

Still no where near as good transport (at the door) and other infrastructure at the Burswood stadium site, we could have ended up with a Melbourne situation, instead we have a half finished stadium in a road locked suburb with little chance of it ever being finished in next 20 years. Nib is 100 times better than it was pre refurb but for a relatively small amount of extra money it could have set up all sports in Perth for the next 50 years if they had constructed a rectangular stadium at Burswood.
 

LineBall

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http://www.rugbyleaguehub.com/2017/10/14/opinion-how-sydney-stadia-should-be-reshaped-in-detail/

Not a bad idea. I like how he compares Sydney to London with their Premier League clubs having their own stadia, rather than the comparison we get with Melbourne . I disagree with spending money on both Leichhardt and Campbelltown, the Tigers need to pick one and stick. The SCG can miss out too. They’ve had their fair share of upgrades for now.

Had a chat with the guy who wrote this yesterday, interesting piece but a few flaws.

In order to realise his vision you’d need the stadium budget to increase to $2bn.

He doesn’t really address the ridiculous cost of building in Sydney. I mean $20m isn’t going to get much done at local grounds. He suggested to me on Twitter that you could get the council and clubs to tip in more, but I think you need at least $100m to make some local grounds semi decent.

Re ANZ stadium he doesn’t mention that it will be getting a metro line within 10 years, which will make it much easier to get to.

Also I’m not sure his idea for rebuilding ANZ in sections is really necessary. We can live without ANZ for a couple of seasons. A half capacity ANZ is no bigger than Allianz anyway.

I’m not sure I see the point of spending $200m on an Allianz refurb, when it all it really needs is $350m for a complete rebuild to 35k. Better just to knock the thing down and start again.

Lastly it’s annoying to see the SCG enter this debate. He says $100m should go to the SCG to re do the O’Rielly stand, but this money was always meant for rectangular grounds. The SCG has had enough money spent on it in recent times. SCG trust angling for some of this money for the cricket ground is infuriating too.
 

beave

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So is the author of that article an expert on construction costs? And $100 mil to the SCG?? The author can f**k right off.
 

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