The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[morley101]

Not NRL, except WCC but Headingly South and main Stand is now under construction. Will make a massive difference to the stadium.

I was wondering how many Rhino supporters are against Headingly being upgraded because they're forced to play as Elland Rd for a season.... Not too many..

 

[M2D2]

You are kidding yourself if you think the ALP is going to be elected in the near future, especially with Foley in charge. The current government hasn't been perfect, but they have overseen an incredibly successful period for NSW as far as infrastructure is concerned. Sydney is staring to boom again after a long period of lull.

With the amount of projects scheduled for completion in the next few years before the election, there is zero chance Labor will be getting anywhere near a majority vote for a change of government.

The stadiums are safe, both will be done as per plan. Give it 6 months and all this scare talk will have died in the arse.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAha

 

[TheFrog]

The state government wants all teams to play at one of the bigger stadium that they own

This may suit some teams down to the ground, but you will never get Penrith, Manly or Cronulla willingly playing out of any of the big 3 venues. Parramatta would have been the same but they are getting a lovely new ground at public expense. And who is the NSW Government to force this on clubs in any case?

 

[El Diablo]

in a way to not allow the labor government (that will most likely elected in 2 years)

lol

have you looked at the odds for the next NSW election?

 

[unforgiven]

This may suit some teams down to the ground, but you will never get Penrith, Manly or Cronulla willingly playing out of any of the big 3 venues. Parramatta would have been the same but they are getting a lovely new ground at public expense. And who is the NSW Government to force this on clubs in any case?

They aren't forcing it, they are just saying they will only improve the venues that they own. They have not told Penrith, Manly or Cronulla they have to play at one of the big stadiums. Parramatta Stadium is owned by the State Government? they are responsible for it's upkeep. Penrith council is responsible for Penrith Park. Its a really nice stadium anyway, the western stand and concourse is great and built with public funds. One of my favourite places to watch the footy, not really a bad seat in the house and great place to sit for the price of a GA ticket.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

What this means is that teams who use the big venues and their supporters are subsidised by those who use other venues, which have to be maintained (generally) through council rates. So you pay rates to maintain your local team's ground, and you also contribute to the big venues through state taxes which everyone pays. This is far from equitable.

No one is forcing you to play in suburban grounds. The central staiums are available to you too, you just dont seem to want it...

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

This may suit some teams down to the ground, but you will never get Penrith, Manly or Cronulla willingly playing out of any of the big 3 venues. Parramatta would have been the same but they are getting a lovely new ground at public expense. And who is the NSW Government to force this on clubs in any case?

They arent forcing anyone...

They are making a decision (building 3 central stadiums) and the clubs are freely reacting (move to these grounds/stay in dilapidated parks).

It is convenient that you say it suits some clubs. You disregard the hard decision they made to leave their suburban ground for the better-quality stadium and just pretend they always wanted it. Im sure Souths, Dogs and the rest would love their own little suburban cathedral, they just dealt with the reality that they werent going to get it.

You say it is "unfair" that Penrith/Manly/Cronulla dont get their own stadium. I would say it was more unfair if the government went to the clubs who DID move and say "you worked with us and compromised; you get your Plan B. These other clubs who refused to work with us, we're gonna give them everything they want. We are gonna reward them for being selfish and bull-headed"...

 

[Lebbo73]

f**k Suncorp and f**k Queensland

And f**k you

 

[M2D2]

What a surprise that the people who think its a good deal, also want the game to move the centralized stadiums and removal of Sydney teams.

 

[unforgiven]

What a surprise that the people who think its a good deal, also want the game to move the centralized stadiums and removal of Sydney teams.

Who asked for the removal of Sydney teams?

I'm not for centralized stadiums, I'm saying that's has been the government policy for a number of years.

 

[M2D2]

Who asked for the removal of Sydney teams?

I'm not for centralized stadiums, I'm saying that's has been the government policy for a number of years.

PR. Doctor. the raiders fan that makes skeepe look like tesla.

 

[TheFrog]

lol

have you looked at the odds for the next NSW election?

Labor are $2.20. There's a long way to go yet. The stadiums issue is ripping Gladys's throat out.

 

[M2D2]

Labor are $2.20. There's a long way to go yet. The stadiums issue is ripping Gladys's throat out.

That and westcon.
Basically everything this guy touches.

 

[Captain Apollo]

That is dribble, no negotiation, where did you pull that rubbish from. The NRL increased their commitment to NSW when it was announced that the SFS would be rebuilt as well. How is that possible if they hadn't been involved with a process of negotiation with the state government. Agree with everything you say about Ayres, but to say there had been no negotiation that is rubbish. Its ok to amend, change or scrap an agreement if both parties are ok with that occurring. The NRL was more than happy to sign up to a new agreement.

Dribble huh? Most of what I wrote is on the public record. The agreement was for ANZ to be re-buil first, with any money left over to be used to refurrbish the SFS. That is what Mike Baird signed off on as Premier after taking over the mess that Ayres had made of the situation (which was to build a new 50,000 seat stadium over Kippax Lake as proposed by the SCG Trust - which neither the NRL, nor any of its clubs including the Roosters supported).

Once Baird quit, Ayres went to work in over turning the agreement. If you doubt me, trawl through the media for the last 12 months. I mean why elese is the SFS now the priority when the NRL and the NSW Government had agreed that ANZ was to be the priority? All the "SFS has problems which need addressing" came out after Baird was gone. Prior to then not a word was said at all about the "code violation" issues you keep citing.

 

[Perth Red]

PR. Doctor. the raiders fan that makes skeepe look like tesla.

If my agenda was to see the demise of some Sydney clubs then Id be all for them staying in shtty little suburban grounds. Harsh reality is the clubs that have centralised have the best football club revenue and the biggest supporter bases by and large. Coincidence? I wonder?

 

[unforgiven]

Dribble huh? Most of what I wrote is on the public record. The agreement was for ANZ to be re-buil first, with any money left over to be used to refurrbish the SFS. That is what Mike Baird signed off on as Premier after taking over the mess that Ayres had made of the situation (which was to build a new 50,000 seat stadium over Kippax Lake as proposed by the SCG Trust - which neither the NRL, nor any of its clubs including the Roosters supported).

Once Baird quit, Ayres went to work in over turning the agreement. If you doubt me, trawl through the media for the last 12 months. I mean why elese is the SFS now the priority when the NRL and the NSW Government had agreed that ANZ was to be the priority? All the "SFS has problems which need addressing" came out after Baird was gone. Prior to then not a word was said at all about the "code violation" issues you keep citing.

It's dribble that the NSW government broke the previous agreement, A new agreement was negotiated when the government decided to fund all 3 stadiums. They didn't break the agreement, they negotiated a new one with additional benefits to the NRL

Have you seen the building report into the compliance issues at the SFS? When was it completed?
What I do know is a independent building inspection was carried out by Blackett, Maguire and Goldsmith who provided the certificate of occupancy and they will only guarantee that the stadium should remain open for the next 3 years.

Here are their reasons for this assessment
There are no fire sprinklers, no emergency power supply, not enough exits, “non-compliant” crowd barriers and woefully insufficient toilets.

Spectator evacuation times ... are significantly greater than internationally recognised and accepted standards.

Fire and life safety issues ... present a number of immediate risks to occupants within the stadium, as well as potential risk to the stadium itself.

There are 48 women’s toilets, well short of the 335 required to meet Football Stadium Advisory Design Council guidelines.

Maybe the SCG Trust are just using this to get their own way, or maybe these issues are real. I actually don't know the answer to that but I do not view everything as a conspiracy.

 

[Perth Red]

It's dribble that the NSW government broke the previous agreement, A new agreement was negotiated when the government decided to fund all 3 stadiums. They didn't break the agreement, they negotiated a new one with additional benefits to the NRL

Have you seen the building report into the compliance issues at the SFS? When was it completed?
What I do know is a independent building inspection was carried out by Blackett, Maguire and Goldsmith who provided the certificate of occupancy and they will only guarantee that the stadium should remain open for the next 3 years.

Here are their reasons for this assessment
There are no fire sprinklers, no emergency power supply, not enough exits, “non-compliant” crowd barriers and woefully insufficient toilets.

Spectator evacuation times ... are significantly greater than internationally recognised and accepted standards.

Fire and life safety issues ... present a number of immediate risks to occupants within the stadium, as well as potential risk to the stadium itself.

There are 48 women’s toilets, well short of the 335 required to meet Football Stadium Advisory Design Council guidelines.

Maybe the SCG Trust are just using this to get their own way, or maybe these issues are real. I actually don't know the answer to that but I do not view everything as a conspiracy.

I think the timing of the report was what made everyone suspect a stitch up. But there is no doubt the SFS wasn't built that well and isn't a world class stadium by a long stretch. A world class SFS probably benefits union and soccer more than NRL, though Roosters fans and Sydney NRL semis will obviously benefit from an upgrade.

 

[unforgiven]

I think the timing of the report was what made everyone suspect a stitch up. But there is no doubt the SFS wasn't built that well and isn't a world class stadium by a long stretch. A world class SFS probably benefits union and soccer more than NRL, though Roosters fans and Sydney NRL semis will obviously benefit from an upgrade.

I'm not actually a proponent for the SFS being rebuilt, Parramatta and ANZ were much larger priorites to me personally. But if the finding of the building report are true then at the very least the SFS needs significant refurbishment.

 

[cooko]

If the SFS is a fire hazard and not meeting safety standards then why is it remaining operational at present?

 

[Yosemite Sam]

What a surprise that the people who think its a good deal, also want the game to move the centralized stadiums and removal of Sydney teams.

Whether it's a good deal or not is certainly debatable, but there is not going to be a government change in NSW. Labor's track record and reputation is completely f**ked.