The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[adamkungl]

But the teams who would relocate would firstly need to get the crowds to warrant that year in year out. Secondly as they would only be Sydney teams relocating, and both CC and Gong aren't that far from Sydney. I don't see a problem for the next 20 years or so, having there 1 or 2 big games a season in Sydney rather than spending 50mil+ to upgrade these grounds so they can accommodate an extra 5k.

Maybe when the grounds come to end of life. That could be the time to review the size.

Fair points.

 

[Perth Red]

Probably more to do with improving the stadiums as much as enlarging, better rake, better coverage from roof and improved corporate facilities are critical to future useage.

 

[horrie hastings]

Does anyone know, if an NRL team was to move to Gosford, or Dragons to commit more of their games to Wollongong and also boost their crowds
Is there any capacity for either of these stadiums to increase their capacity to 25,000 seated? Preferably without affecting the awesome water views of either.

Both have a record attendance of roughly 20k although the capacity at Wollongong is listed at 23k.

With Gosford they have talked about possibly relocating the bowling club at the Northern end and they could increase seating there, also they could possibly build out over the road at the southern end if they were desperate to increase the capacity even more.

Down at the Gong the best option is get rid of the southern stand and biuld a far superior one which would increase the capacity, they could not possibly put anything on the eastern side as it backs onto the beach.

 

[horrie hastings]

Gosford has some extra land around it, but not much either, as you have Wyong Leagues to its east, the train line to the west of it, and the water to the south, see photo following -

Wyong Leagues club is miles away, I think you might mean Central Coast Leagues Club which is across the road

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

With Gosford they have talked about possibly relocating the bowling club at the Northern end and they could increase seating there, also they could possibly build out over the road at the southern end if they were desperate to increase the capacity even more.

Down at the Gong the best option is get rid of the southern stand and biuld a far superior one which would increase the capacity, they could not possibly put anything on the eastern side as it backs onto the beach.

Do thousands of extra people really want to sit behind the goal posts on a regular basis?

 

[Dogs Of War]

Not sure why you need a view at the footy.

I would build a stand at the Gong on the hill side of the ground with corporate boxes that have a view out of both sides. It would be a good selling point for those corporate boxes. Maybe something underneath that for general punters to be able to see the beach if they so feel inclined.

Though most matches being at night these days. Your not going to see much.

 

[Timmah]

The latest discussions around Gosford are all to do with the Mariners (local soccer club) buying the management rights - I know the owner was very keen to look at expanding and developing the stadium + land around it. That said, the Mariners haven't filled the place in 10 or so years.

 

[horrie hastings]

Do thousands of extra people really want to sit behind the goal posts on a regular basis?

Probably not but it seems that it would be the most practical solution of increasing capacity with the current configuration of the grounds.

 

[horrie hastings]

Not sure why you need a view at the footy.

I would build a stand at the Gong on the hill side of the ground with corporate boxes that have a view out of both sides. It would be a good selling point for those corporate boxes. Maybe something underneath that for general punters to be able to see the beach if they so feel inclined.

Though most matches being at night these days. Your not going to see much.

I think it would be more to the logistics of putting a stand on the Eastern side, if you put it exactly where the current hill is the stand wouldn't have much depth and some of the foundations if they want a decent stand would cut back into the sand dune and the beach and I doubt whether council would allow it. That said I have always been curious to what purpose that little bit of wrap around stand at the north eastern corner is all about, maybe they thinking of extending the stand on the Eastern side but either ran out funds or weren't allowed to proceed any further.

 

[Perth Red]

Do thousands of extra people really want to sit behind the goal posts on a regular basis?

only if it’s cheap enough.

 

[siv]

The latest discussions around Gosford are all to do with the Mariners (local soccer club) buying the management rights - I know the owner was very keen to look at expanding and developing the stadium + land around it. That said, the Mariners haven't filled the place in 10 or so years.

Mariners wanted these rights and outright purchase so they could build a hotel on the grass training area behind the western

Council said no

So the Mariners are now focused on build a stadium at Tuggerah behind the Soccer 5 fields

 

[Timmah]

Mariners wanted these rights and outright purchase so they could build a hotel on the grass training area behind the western

Council said no

So the Mariners are now focused on build a stadium at Tuggerah behind the Soccer 5 fields

No, you've conflated separate issues.

They wanted to purchase the venue outright in 2017 and released plans that you refer to.

As recently as December the club still wants management rights in what would effectively be a lease from the council. It would allow them more input in what happens there and would allow them to use it to generate revenue for the club, which at this point it's arguable the Council are doing to its potential.

 

[beave]

I think it would be more to the logistics of putting a stand on the Eastern side, if you put it exactly where the current hill is the stand wouldn't have much depth and some of the foundations if they want a decent stand would cut back into the sand dune and the beach and I doubt whether council would allow it. That said I have always been curious to what purpose that little bit of wrap around stand at the north eastern corner is all about, maybe they thinking of extending the stand on the Eastern side but either ran out funds or weren't allowed to proceed any further.

Wasn’t some of that northern stand at Wollongong recycled from the homebush aquatics centre post olympics?? Pretty sure it was trucked down from sydney in the aftermath of 2000.

 

[siv]

Wasn’t some of that northern stand at Wollongong recycled from the homebush aquatics centre post olympics?? Pretty sure it was trucked down from sydney in the aftermath of 2000.

Yeah they used the swimming arena temp seats when they were pulled down

Some excess seats ended up at Shellharbour too

 

[Dogs Of War]

I think it would be more to the logistics of putting a stand on the Eastern side, if you put it exactly where the current hill is the stand wouldn't have much depth and some of the foundations if they want a decent stand would cut back into the sand dune and the beach and I doubt whether council would allow it. That said I have always been curious to what purpose that little bit of wrap around stand at the north eastern corner is all about, maybe they thinking of extending the stand on the Eastern side but either ran out funds or weren't allowed to proceed any further.

Well a win win would be to build some updated change room/shower facilities for beach goers to use, and use the eastern side grandstand extension on that side as part of the structure.

 

[Suitman]

ACT GOVERNMENT TO SPEND $200,000 ON STADIUM FEASIBILITY STUDY
84% of original size (was 600x400) - Click to enlarge FEBRUARY 11, 2020FINANCE / GOVERNMENT / SPORT / VENUESThe ACT Government is set to spend $200,000 on a feasibility study to assess a potential location to build a new 25,000 seat stadium in Canberra.The report will weigh up Civic and Exhibition Park as sites for the venue, which is projected to cost between $250 million and $500 million.ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr said investment in the study, set to be included in the ACT’s mid-year budget review this week, will provide the groundwork for the decade-long infrastructure project.He advised "the city location has been previously identified as a preferred site for a new rectangular stadium.“However, given the size restrictions of this site, the requirement to realign Parkes Way, as well as the investment in light rail, the government is exploring EPIC as a fallback option.“The new work will focus on the existing Canberra Olympic Pool site but also consider EPIC to determine suitability for a new rectangular stadium.”According to the ACT Government’s long term infrastructure plan, upgrades to the 35-year-old GIO Stadium over the next five years were also flagged at a cost of less than $50 million.84% of original size (was 600x400) - Click to enlarge With the study to take into consideration the future needs of the capital, with Canberra’s population set to exceed 500,000 by the end of the decade, Chief Minister Barr noted "the Government has outlined an ambitious infrastructure agenda to ensure we can continue to provide world-class services and entertainment for a growing city.“This infrastructure agenda will create more jobs and ensure Canberra remains one of the world’s most liveable cities.”Anticipating that the report, which will consider sites against a range of key criteria, will be completed before the end of June, Chief Minister Barr added "the two identified sites will be assessed on key technical and planning characteristics including urban context, security, site fit, orientation, and traffic and transportation considerations.“Work will include site analysis and investigation, procuring technical architectural and engineering advice, and engaging a quantity surveyor to assist in determining the estimated costs of constructing a stadium on each site.“The outcomes of the work will allow the government to make a final decision on whether Civic is a viable option or the fallback options of the existing Bruce precinct or EPIC should be progressed.“Once this is determined, the next stage of the project will involve detailed design, site analysis and community consultation.”Canberra's major sporting teams, the NRL's Raiders and the Super League's Brumbies have been very vocal in their support for a new home, pointing to the positive impacts new stadiums have had on sporting teams and local businesses in other cities.

https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/act-government-to-spend-200000-on-stadium-feasibility-study/

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

200,000 on a feasibility study

geez these people are good with money that belongs to others

 

[Vee]

ACT GOVERNMENT TO SPEND $200,000 ON STADIUM FEASIBILITY STUDY
84% of original size (was 600x400) - Click to enlarge FEBRUARY 11, 2020FINANCE / GOVERNMENT / SPORT / VENUESThe ACT Government is set to spend $200,000 on a feasibility study to assess a potential location to build a new 25,000 seat stadium in Canberra.The report will weigh up Civic and Exhibition Park as sites for the venue, which is projected to cost between $250 million and $500 million.ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr said investment in the study, set to be included in the ACT’s mid-year budget review this week, will provide the groundwork for the decade-long infrastructure project.He advised "the city location has been previously identified as a preferred site for a new rectangular stadium.“However, given the size restrictions of this site, the requirement to realign Parkes Way, as well as the investment in light rail, the government is exploring EPIC as a fallback option.“The new work will focus on the existing Canberra Olympic Pool site but also consider EPIC to determine suitability for a new rectangular stadium.”According to the ACT Government’s long term infrastructure plan, upgrades to the 35-year-old GIO Stadium over the next five years were also flagged at a cost of less than $50 million.84% of original size (was 600x400) - Click to enlarge With the study to take into consideration the future needs of the capital, with Canberra’s population set to exceed 500,000 by the end of the decade, Chief Minister Barr noted "the Government has outlined an ambitious infrastructure agenda to ensure we can continue to provide world-class services and entertainment for a growing city.“This infrastructure agenda will create more jobs and ensure Canberra remains one of the world’s most liveable cities.”Anticipating that the report, which will consider sites against a range of key criteria, will be completed before the end of June, Chief Minister Barr added "the two identified sites will be assessed on key technical and planning characteristics including urban context, security, site fit, orientation, and traffic and transportation considerations.“Work will include site analysis and investigation, procuring technical architectural and engineering advice, and engaging a quantity surveyor to assist in determining the estimated costs of constructing a stadium on each site.“The outcomes of the work will allow the government to make a final decision on whether Civic is a viable option or the fallback options of the existing Bruce precinct or EPIC should be progressed.“Once this is determined, the next stage of the project will involve detailed design, site analysis and community consultation.”Canberra's major sporting teams, the NRL's Raiders and the Super League's Brumbies have been very vocal in their support for a new home, pointing to the positive impacts new stadiums have had on sporting teams and local businesses in other cities.

https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/act-government-to-spend-200000-on-stadium-feasibility-study/

Alleluiah!!!

 

[LineBall]

As long as it's purely a rectangular stadium - great!

 

[The Great Dane]

ACT GOVERNMENT TO SPEND $200,000 ON STADIUM FEASIBILITY STUDY
84% of original size (was 600x400) - Click to enlarge FEBRUARY 11, 2020FINANCE / GOVERNMENT / SPORT / VENUESThe ACT Government is set to spend $200,000 on a feasibility study to assess a potential location to build a new 25,000 seat stadium in Canberra.The report will weigh up Civic and Exhibition Park as sites for the venue, which is projected to cost between $250 million and $500 million.ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr said investment in the study, set to be included in the ACT’s mid-year budget review this week, will provide the groundwork for the decade-long infrastructure project.He advised "the city location has been previously identified as a preferred site for a new rectangular stadium.“However, given the size restrictions of this site, the requirement to realign Parkes Way, as well as the investment in light rail, the government is exploring EPIC as a fallback option.“The new work will focus on the existing Canberra Olympic Pool site but also consider EPIC to determine suitability for a new rectangular stadium.”According to the ACT Government’s long term infrastructure plan, upgrades to the 35-year-old GIO Stadium over the next five years were also flagged at a cost of less than $50 million.84% of original size (was 600x400) - Click to enlarge With the study to take into consideration the future needs of the capital, with Canberra’s population set to exceed 500,000 by the end of the decade, Chief Minister Barr noted "the Government has outlined an ambitious infrastructure agenda to ensure we can continue to provide world-class services and entertainment for a growing city.“This infrastructure agenda will create more jobs and ensure Canberra remains one of the world’s most liveable cities.”Anticipating that the report, which will consider sites against a range of key criteria, will be completed before the end of June, Chief Minister Barr added "the two identified sites will be assessed on key technical and planning characteristics including urban context, security, site fit, orientation, and traffic and transportation considerations.“Work will include site analysis and investigation, procuring technical architectural and engineering advice, and engaging a quantity surveyor to assist in determining the estimated costs of constructing a stadium on each site.“The outcomes of the work will allow the government to make a final decision on whether Civic is a viable option or the fallback options of the existing Bruce precinct or EPIC should be progressed.“Once this is determined, the next stage of the project will involve detailed design, site analysis and community consultation.”Canberra's major sporting teams, the NRL's Raiders and the Super League's Brumbies have been very vocal in their support for a new home, pointing to the positive impacts new stadiums have had on sporting teams and local businesses in other cities.

https://www.ausleisure.com.au/news/act-government-to-spend-200000-on-stadium-feasibility-study/

Someone from Canberra needs to clarify some of this before everybody starts celebrating too much!

The feasibility study is to decide whether the stadium should be built in either Civic (i.e. in the city) or at EPIC, but to give you an idea, EPIC is even more in the middle of nowhere then Bruce, and there're few places worse for a stadium than at EPIC.

Lets put it this way, if the choice is between a brand new stadium at EPIC or keeping the old stadium at Bruce, then we're better off keeping the old stadium at Bruce because building the new stadium at EPIC would be an utter disaster. All the problems with the stadium at Bruce would be compounded by an order of magnitude.

We (as in the NRL, Raiders, and rectangular sports in general) shouldn't accept any new stadium unless it's rectangular, has a roof, at least 30k seats, and it's built in one of the city centres, preferably Civic or Woden. Anything else is waste of every bodies time and taxpayers money, as all they will be doing is building a white elephant.