The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[MugaB]

Potato

I second this! And concour

 

[Storm80]

Are you high? Collingwood is the biggest club in Australia and yet it's suburb population is about 8000 people total.

You and @Get Rid of The Donkeys ( who must pull cones constantly) think that a club like the Canterbury Bulldogs only draws support from its LGA.

How f**king high most you be to believe this?

There are many reasons Collingwood is massive, here are just five:

1. an original club
2. Working class
3. Highly successful prior to WW2
4. Metropolitan zoning
5. Working class families that moved to cheaper suburbs and bred like rabbits

Collingwood and Souths are the two most similar clubs between AFL and NRL.

In 1915 VFL “zoned” local metropolitan areas, carving out portions around the city - not just a local district - for each team.

So Collingwood’s recruitment zone was a whole heap of suburbs to the north and north east of Collingwood. Many of which had no affiliation with Collingwood previous to 1915.

Collingwood: Cities of Collingwood, Coburg (part), Preston (part), Northcote, Heidelberg, Shires of Diamond Valley, Eltham.

It’s 23km from Collingwood to Diamond Valley and Eltham. Those suburbs have no link to Collingwood before 1915. It would be like giving Canterbury access to talent in seven hills and Blacktown (23kms away).

As those northern and north eastern suburbs grew with new working class families, and immigrants, so to did Collingwood’s supporters base.

From 1915 to 1960 Collingwood played in 23 grand finals, winning 10. First and only team to win 4 in a row 1927-30. From 1925-1939 they were in 11 GFs and won 6.

So basically like South’s, Collingwood cashed in early from the very start of their league and had two generations of supporters all over the city before WW2.

Canterbury formed in 1935 didn’t they? South’s and others already had their supporter basis’ solidified and past on to the next generation and the next and the next after that.

The bulldogs may well have increased popularity outside of their LGA when they dominated in the 80s. But what they needed to do to maximise this, and be like Hawthorn (formed in 1925) and have another extremely dominant decade post 1990.

Canterbury decided not to stretch out to another region like Hawthorn did with Tasmania. They’ve stagnated as a result - south’s and wests have moved in on their territory. They are actually now surrounded by wests, Parramatta, St George and south’s with little Avenue to grow outside of their district in Sydney.

They ain’t been a powerhouse for almost 20 years. Gould will obviously change that - but they’ll never compete with South’s or the other Sydney clubs for supporters across Australia. No one outside NSW even knows where Canterbury is ffs - hence why they changed their name to Sydney Bulldogs in the 90s.

Now you have over 100 years of league and Canterbury’s fan base is primarily trapped in a few south western suburbs. It’s not gonna grow outside of that region as every other Sydney team is set in stone with their own districts. That’s why they should, at very least, have followed the Hawthorn model and adopted perth or Adelaide as a partner.

Better yet, relocate to Perth full time and make shit loads more money and dominate the comp. WA government would bank roll all infrastructure and you could retain the Canterbury district talent and build the next Storm/Broncos etc. The dogs could have had 2m plus people in perth that actually have money (not like south west Sydney) to sell ur team too. Plus cashed in on WA corporates.

Only someone high and ripping cones all day would think Perth wouldn’t be the best option for theclub going fwd.

Anyways I could go on about the overwhelming benefits of relocating two Sydney clubs to Adelaide and Perth forever.

But then the old adage comes to mind:

“Bee’s don’t waste their time explaining to flies that honey is better than shit”

So I hope you, as well as all the loudmouth abusive pro Sydney club posters on here, continue to enjoy mediocrity and the taste of shit for generations to come

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I've never even mentioned the term casual fan. You are cherry picking your information as usual.

They have consistently had big membership and crowd numbers.

The weed you smoke daily has addled your brain, they are one of the biggest clubs in the NRL and after a number of fallow years will be back big time in the next few seasons

Provide evidence that the Bulldogs are one of the biggest clubs in the NRL or piss off. Consistently claiming they're one of the biggest clubs doesn't make it a fact. On top of that, telling people they must smoke marijuana because they don't hold the same opinion as you is so bloody narrow-minded and irrational it is hilarious.

Do you have any f**king evidence to support your claim or is this all based on an assumption?

Spare me the bullshit excuse about the Bulldogs being down the ladder. Cowboys didn't play finals between 2018 and 2021. In those seasons they finished bottom four with bugger all wins. Their revenue from football operations were still at the top of the league.

The Gemba Report provided data on memberships and support for all clubs on p13. Bulldogs were labelled a "mid-tier" club with support well down on the big clubs.

Club	NRL Fanatics
Broncos	780,000​
Storm	743,000​
Roosters	384,000​
Eels	315,000​
Dragons	285,000​
Raiders	257,000​
Tigers	244,000​
Cowboys	219,000​
Bulldogs	216,000​
Rabbitohs	208,000​
Sea Eagles	205,000​
Sharks	172,000​
Titans	163,000​
Knights	154,000​
Warriors	149,000​
Panthers	100,000​

Club	NRL Members 2020
Rabbitohs	29,000​
Eels	28,000​
Broncos	27,000​
Storm	22,000​
Raiders	19,000​
Knights	19,000​
Panthers	19,000​
Tigers	18,000​
Cowboys	17,000​
Roosters	15,000​
Dragons	15,000​
Bulldogs	15,000​
Sea Eagles	13,000​
Warriors	13,000​
Sharks	10,000​
Titans	8,000​

 

[Pneuma]

There are many reasons Collingwood is massive, here are just five:

1. an original club
2. Working class
3. Highly successful prior to WW2
4. Metropolitan zoning
5. Working class families that moved to cheaper suburbs and bred like rabbits

Collingwood and Souths are the two most similar clubs between AFL and NRL.

In 1915 VFL “zoned” local metropolitan areas, carving out portions around the city - not just a local district - for each team.

So Collingwood’s recruitment zone was a whole heap of suburbs to the north and north east of Collingwood. Many of which had no affiliation with Collingwood previous to 1915.

Collingwood: Cities of Collingwood, Coburg (part), Preston (part), Northcote, Heidelberg, Shires of Diamond Valley, Eltham.

It’s 23km from Collingwood to Diamond Valley and Eltham. Those suburbs have no link to Collingwood before 1915. It would be like giving Canterbury access to talent in seven hills and Blacktown (23kms away).

As those northern and north eastern suburbs grew with new working class families, and immigrants, so to did Collingwood’s supporters base.

From 1915 to 1960 Collingwood played in 23 grand finals, winning 10. First and only team to win 4 in a row 1927-30. From 1925-1939 they were in 11 GFs and won 6.

So basically like South’s, Collingwood cashed in early from the very start of their league and had two generations of supporters all over the city before WW2.

Canterbury formed in 1935 didn’t they? South’s and others already had their supporter basis’ solidified and past on to the next generation and the next and the next after that.

The bulldogs may well have increased popularity outside of their LGA when they dominated in the 80s. But what they needed to do to maximise this, and be like Hawthorn (formed in 1925) and have another extremely dominant decade post 1990.

Canterbury decided not to stretch out to another region like Hawthorn did with Tasmania. They’ve stagnated as a result - south’s and wests have moved in on their territory. They are actually now surrounded by wests, Parramatta, St George and south’s with little Avenue to grow outside of their district in Sydney.

They ain’t been a powerhouse for almost 20 years. Gould will obviously change that - but they’ll never compete with South’s or the other Sydney clubs for supporters across Australia. No one outside NSW even knows where Canterbury is ffs - hence why they changed their name to Sydney Bulldogs in the 90s.

Now you have over 100 years of league and Canterbury’s fan base is primarily trapped in a few south western suburbs. It’s not gonna grow outside of that region as every other Sydney team is set in stone with their own districts. That’s why they should, at very least, have followed the Hawthorn model and adopted perth or Adelaide as a partner.

Better yet, relocate to Perth full time and make shit loads more money and dominate the comp. WA government would bank roll all infrastructure and you could retain the Canterbury district talent and build the next Storm/Broncos etc. The dogs could have had 2m plus people in perth that actually have money (not like south west Sydney) to sell ur team too. Plus cashed in on WA corporates.

Only someone high and ripping cones all day would think Perth wouldn’t be the best option for theclub going fwd.

Anyways I could go on about the overwhelming benefits of relocating two Sydney clubs to Adelaide and Perth forever.

But then the old adage comes to mind:

“Bee’s don’t waste their time explaining to flies that honey is better than shit”

So I hope you, as well as all the loudmouth abusive pro Sydney club posters on here, continue to enjoy mediocrity and the taste of shit for generations to come

Potato

 

[Pneuma]

Provide evidence that the Bulldogs are one of the biggest clubs in the NRL or piss off. Consistently claiming they're one of the biggest clubs doesn't make it a fact. On top of that, telling people they must smoke marijuana because they don't hold the same opinion as you is so bloody narrow-minded and irrational it is hilarious.

Do you have any f**king evidence to support your claim or is this all based on an assumption?

Spare me the bullshit excuse about the Bulldogs being down the ladder. Cowboys didn't play finals between 2018 and 2021. In those seasons they finished bottom four with bugger all wins. Their revenue from football operations were still at the top of the league.

The Gemba Report provided data on memberships and support for all clubs on p13. Bulldogs were labelled a "mid-tier" club with support well down on the big clubs.

Club	NRL Fanatics	NRL Members 2020
Broncos	780,000​	27,000​
Storm	743,000​	22,000​
Roosters	384,000​	15,000​
Eels	315,000​	28,000​
Dragons	285,000​	15,000​
Raiders	257,000​	19,000​
Broncos	244,000​	18,000​
Broncos	208,000​	29,000​
Cowboys	219,000​	17,000​
Bulldogs	216,000​	15,000​
Sea Eagles	205,000​	13,000​
Sharks	172,000​	10,000​
Knights	154,000​	19,000​
Titans	163,000​	8,000​
Warriors	149,000​	13,000​
Panthers	100,000​	19,000​

And

potato

 

[siv]

I'm going on the figures from the annual reports to see how many active supporters there are providing money to their clubs.

If the Bulldogs had a massive supporter base around the country then they would be buying non-ticketed memberships and merchandise. The annual reports for the Bulldogs prove the club draws very little revenue from membership and merchandise

What part of this aren't you able to get through your skull?

Bulldogs might have a shit load of casual fans who watch the odd game on TV, but they don't attend games or buy membership packages and merchandise.

I'll never understand why you think a casual fan who doesn't provide any f**king money to the club they support is important. All that matters in professional sport is how many active fans contribute to their club's bottom line. The fact this simple concept goes right over your head makes me wonder if you're on drugs.

You will find they do spend money at the LC knowing that money spent helps their FC

 

[Pneuma]

You will find they do spend money at the LC knowing that money spent helps their FC

Yep that’s why I go to the leagues club before and after games.

 

[siv]

Provide evidence that the Bulldogs are one of the biggest clubs in the NRL or piss off. Consistently claiming they're one of the biggest clubs doesn't make it a fact. On top of that, telling people they must smoke marijuana because they don't hold the same opinion as you is so bloody narrow-minded and irrational it is hilarious.

Do you have any f**king evidence to support your claim or is this all based on an assumption?

Spare me the bullshit excuse about the Bulldogs being down the ladder. Cowboys didn't play finals between 2018 and 2021. In those seasons they finished bottom four with bugger all wins. Their revenue from football operations were still at the top of the league.

The Gemba Report provided data on memberships and support for all clubs on p13. Bulldogs were labelled a "mid-tier" club with support well down on the big clubs.

Club	NRL Fanatics	NRL Members 2020
Broncos	780,000​	27,000​
Storm	743,000​	22,000​
Roosters	384,000​	15,000​
Eels	315,000​	28,000​
Dragons	285,000​	15,000​
Raiders	257,000​	19,000​
Tigers	244,000​	18,000​
Rabbitohs	208,000​	29,000​
Cowboys	219,000​	17,000​
Bulldogs	216,000​	15,000​
Sea Eagles	205,000​	13,000​
Sharks	172,000​	10,000​
Knights	154,000​	19,000​
Titans	163,000​	8,000​
Warriors	149,000​	13,000​
Panthers	100,000​	19,000​

Dogs size like Parramatta & Penrith has always been based on size of LC operations

 

[Wb1234]

Yep that’s why I go to the leagues club before and after games.

Other than parra Penrith and your club it’s not really feasible for most clubs as they’ve moved out of their traditional area

eg homebush to belmore is a bit of a hike
Wests Ashfield to homebush is a similar distance and there great bars and pubs near the ground

maybe wests Newcastle is close to the ground not sure

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You will find they do spend money at the LC knowing that money spent helps their FC

Imagine how powerful the Bulldogs would be if the people who put $57m into the pokies at Canterbury Leagues were spending that on ticketing, merchandise, membership, corporate hospitality and sponsorship?

They would be drawing massive crowds to Stadium Australia and making a joke out of the GWS Giants.

I don't see any reason why our game cannot get 50k to its games in Brisbane and Sydney. We just need to market ourselves better and appeal to all demographics.

 

[Perth Red]

You will find they do spend money at the LC knowing that money spent helps their FC

So a bulldogs fan won’t go to games to actually watch the club but will go piss money away on the pokies in support of the club? Hmmmmm.
If nrl clubs had the same membership numbers as their pokie dens more of the games money could be going to grassroots!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There are many reasons Collingwood is massive, here are just five:

1. an original club
2. Working class
3. Highly successful prior to WW2
4. Metropolitan zoning
5. Working class families that moved to cheaper suburbs and bred like rabbits

Collingwood and Souths are the two most similar clubs between AFL and NRL.

In 1915 VFL “zoned” local metropolitan areas, carving out portions around the city - not just a local district - for each team.

So Collingwood’s recruitment zone was a whole heap of suburbs to the north and north east of Collingwood. Many of which had no affiliation with Collingwood previous to 1915.

Collingwood: Cities of Collingwood, Coburg (part), Preston (part), Northcote, Heidelberg, Shires of Diamond Valley, Eltham.

It’s 23km from Collingwood to Diamond Valley and Eltham. Those suburbs have no link to Collingwood before 1915. It would be like giving Canterbury access to talent in seven hills and Blacktown (23kms away).

As those northern and north eastern suburbs grew with new working class families, and immigrants, so to did Collingwood’s supporters base.

From 1915 to 1960 Collingwood played in 23 grand finals, winning 10. First and only team to win 4 in a row 1927-30. From 1925-1939 they were in 11 GFs and won 6.

So basically like South’s, Collingwood cashed in early from the very start of their league and had two generations of supporters all over the city before WW2.

Canterbury formed in 1935 didn’t they? South’s and others already had their supporter basis’ solidified and past on to the next generation and the next and the next after that.

The bulldogs may well have increased popularity outside of their LGA when they dominated in the 80s. But what they needed to do to maximise this, and be like Hawthorn (formed in 1925) and have another extremely dominant decade post 1990.

Canterbury decided not to stretch out to another region like Hawthorn did with Tasmania. They’ve stagnated as a result - south’s and wests have moved in on their territory. They are actually now surrounded by wests, Parramatta, St George and south’s with little Avenue to grow outside of their district in Sydney.

They ain’t been a powerhouse for almost 20 years. Gould will obviously change that - but they’ll never compete with South’s or the other Sydney clubs for supporters across Australia. No one outside NSW even knows where Canterbury is ffs - hence why they changed their name to Sydney Bulldogs in the 90s.

Now you have over 100 years of league and Canterbury’s fan base is primarily trapped in a few south western suburbs. It’s not gonna grow outside of that region as every other Sydney team is set in stone with their own districts. That’s why they should, at very least, have followed the Hawthorn model and adopted perth or Adelaide as a partner.

Better yet, relocate to Perth full time and make shit loads more money and dominate the comp. WA government would bank roll all infrastructure and you could retain the Canterbury district talent and build the next Storm/Broncos etc. The dogs could have had 2m plus people in perth that actually have money (not like south west Sydney) to sell ur team too. Plus cashed in on WA corporates.

Only someone high and ripping cones all day would think Perth wouldn’t be the best option for theclub going fwd.

Anyways I could go on about the overwhelming benefits of relocating two Sydney clubs to Adelaide and Perth forever.

But then the old adage comes to mind:

“Bee’s don’t waste their time explaining to flies that honey is better than shit”

So I hope you, as well as all the loudmouth abusive pro Sydney club posters on here, continue to enjoy mediocrity and the taste of shit for generations to come

Great post mate!

Unfortunately it will go right over @Canard's head. He only remembers the mighty Bulldogs teams from the 80s, 90s and early 00s.

I cannot see Canterbury and Cronulla surviving in their current state. Both clubs are confined to small landlocked catchments and have a negative reputation due to their involvement in numerous off-field scandals over the last 30 years.


Last year a Bulldogs' fan physically assaulted a man at Lang Park.

NRL crowd brawl breaks out over alleged Anzac Day disrespect

A wild fight between fans broke out in the stands before the game had even started.

7news.com.au

In the 00s there was all sorts of problems at Canterbury games.

In 2006 there were three incidents at a Bulldogs vs Tigers game.

Bulldogs fans put NRL club in hot water

amp.smh.com.au

In 2015 there was a nasty scene at a Canterbury vs South Sydney game that led to an official suffering a serious injury.

UPDATE: NRL boss considers 'sanctions' for violent Bulldogs fans

The Bulldogs fans from the 2006 incident went on to cause trouble at Wanderers games in 2014.

Bulldogs and A-League louts are one and the same

The appalling, violent behaviour from a rogue element of Wanderers"fans" is eerily similar to that of Bulldogs rugby league "fans" a few years ago.

amp.smh.com.au

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Going back to the Gemba Report, there's a graph on p71 showing the average television ratings for each club. The Bulldogs drew the third smallest average on Ch9 and the second smallest on Foxtel.

Poor form definitely played a role, but it shows the club isn't popular like the Storm, Broncos and Cowboys, as the latter two were as miserable on the field as the Bulldogs that year.

Speaking of the Cowboys, they were the fourth most watched club on Foxtel and third most watched on Ch9, based on average viewers per match.

 

[Pneuma]

Looks like a busy night at the potato patch overnight!

 

[siv]

So a bulldogs fan won’t go to games to actually watch the club but will go piss money away on the pokies in support of the club? Hmmmmm.
If nrl clubs had the same membership numbers as their pokie dens more of the games money could be going to grassroots!

Happens at every LC.

LC members always exceed FC members

 

[siv]

Imagine how powerful the Bulldogs would be if the people who put $57m into the pokies at Canterbury Leagues were spending that on ticketing, merchandise, membership, corporate hospitality and sponsorship?

They would be drawing massive crowds to Stadium Australia and making a joke out of the GWS Giants.

I don't see any reason why our game cannot get 50k to its games in Brisbane and Sydney. We just need to market ourselves better and appeal to all demographics.

I dont see Cowboys drawing 50k every regularly either

There are only 2 venues that RL use that can draw 50k.

But TV scheduling continues to drive fans back to their lounges

Last years GF replay was a ThuNF at that large venue. That was a clear message by the to fans - stay at home

Whats the best & average Cowboys crowd for a ThuNF game?

 

[Iamback]

Other than parra Penrith and your club it’s not really feasible for most clubs as they’ve moved out of their traditional area

eg homebush to belmore is a bit of a hike
Wests Ashfield to homebush is a similar distance and there great bars and pubs near the ground

maybe wests Newcastle is close to the ground not sure

Still you can prefer the Leagues club over a pub or restaurant

 

[Iamback]

Happens at every LC.

LC members always exceed FC members

Of course it does, LC always have a great atmosphere for away games

 

[Pneuma]

Of course it does, LC always have a great atmosphere for away games

I just love the way the potatoes endless whinge about league’s clubs. They are a legal form of entertainment. Don’t like them then don’t go. Not hard is it?

 

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