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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

blukablu

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Its not just about opening and cling ceremony, the athletics stadium is the face of the Olympics and the precinct around it the heart of the games. The plan was a sound wone in that regards, lining that area to south bank would have been amazing for visitors and future tourism.

If Gabba cant realistically be partially rebuilt for the games for $1.5bill fair enough, but it seems the answer they have come up with is more about public sentiment than best outcomes for the event that the whole thing is actually happening for! $1.6bill for a kids athletic stadium that will be a pretty ho hum face of the games seems a massive wasted opportunity for Brisbane.

What visitors and future tourism? No big events will ever be at the Gabba. Suncorp is in a much better location and will be the same capacity, even after almost 4B spent on the Gabba.

QEII is already home to Queensland Athletics and multiple other sporting organisations, with events almost weekly, with an upgrade I'm sure they'll get even more use.

Wasted opportunity? Do you mean like how great Homebush has been for Sydney? At least Homebush has a large capacity. The Gabba would still be around the same capacity, wouldn't attract any extra events, and would be 1/4 full majority of the time. While killing any future new builds or upgrades to stadiums that we actually use and need.

I wonder if you'd be saying the same thing if WA proposed to build the most expensive stadium in history, a 65k seat rectangular stadium in South Perth for a 2-week event?
 

Canard

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Wasnt the original pitch for the Olympics to do just that? Rebuild some of the Gabba so it would fit? Was that just a furphy to get the games?
It was, and the cost of doing so was originally costed at $2.5B, and seems like it would actually be around $1B more (at least).

"just do that, but spend less on it" isn't suddenly some incredible solution to the problem.

Hey Satterley! I know you have given me a price for house and land of $1.5M at Cottesloe, but can't I just give you $750k and get something similar???
 

Wb1234

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I want the olympics to have a suitable venue that doesnt embarrass the country and Brisbane a suitable legacy, sporting and non sporting, for spending billions of $'s.

The fact Suncorp is getting anything when it doesnt actually need it for the Olympics, which is what the funding has been set aside for, is dubious to say the least and smacks of vote winning decision making rather than whats best for the Olympics.

Thats not to say there shouldn't be a plan to upgrade Suncorp and get it to a 70k modern stadium, the two are not directly related imo. If we were talking a soccer world cup then obviously it would be a totally different conversation.
Sinking that much money into an afl stadium in qld is just stupid

it will just be another white elephant like accor stadium homebush which wasn’t built for rectangular codes

surely we’ve learned the lesson of the Sydney games

I would spend no money on the gabba, spend as much on qe2 to make it games ready then 1.5 billion on Suncorp and go for gold

The ioc themselves don’t want the qld govt to waste so much money on a white elephant
 

Canard

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The fact Suncorp is getting anything when it doesnt actually need it for the Olympics, which is what the funding has been set aside for, is dubious to say the least and smacks of vote winning decision making rather than whats best for the Olympics.
Typing this on League Unlimited, shows me you don't have much ability to self reflect.
 

blukablu

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It was, and the cost of doing so was originally costed at $2.5B, and seems like it would actually be around $1B more (at least).

"just do that, but spend less on it" isn't suddenly some incredible solution to the problem.

Hey Satterley! I know you have given me a price for house and land of $1.5M at Cottesloe, but can't I just give you $750k and get something similar???
The bid was completely inept. The original bid was based on a total spend of $900M, which in hindsight is either a complete lie or gross incompetence.
 
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@Captain Apollo

Rating Sydney’s NRL stadiums from worst to best​

From lifeless and loveless, to lush and luxurious, the Herald ranks your club’s Sydney stadium and gives you a chance to have your say.

Sunday afternoons on the hill at Kogarah, or a Friday night thriller at Sydney’s shiny Allianz Stadium – these are the occasions that rugby league thrives on.

But charm and nostalgia can only do so much for some of Sydney’s historic grounds which are becoming outdated and decrepit.

Cronulla and Wests Tigers are among a handful of clubs campaigning for state funding to upgrade facilities, while the Panthers are set for a $309 million redevelopment due to be completed in 2026.

But if we take the venues as they are, how do they stack up? The Herald has ranked Sydney’s rugby league stadiums, from lifeless and loveless, to lush and luxurious.

Ticket prices, toilets, parking, public transport, visibility and atmosphere are among the factors considered in ranking your team’s stadium against the rest.

9. Accor Stadium​

It’s no wonder the Rabbitohs want a slice of Allianz Stadium: their home ground Accor is cold and lifeless unless it’s filled with 80,000 fans. Sure, there’s a place for Accor in rugby league, but that place is State of Origin and grand finals.

Transport: A two-minute walk from Olympic Park Station ... if the trains are working.
Ground and atmosphere: General admission starts at $15 for kids, $25 for adults and $70 for a family, which makes it slightly more affordable. It’s not the best stadium for viewing, especially if you’re stuck up the top with the pigeons, but there are plenty of toilets and food stands – which got a bit more bougie this year – although you might have to remortgage the house to feed the family.
The empty seats make for a lacklustre atmosphere which is a mood killer.
Score: 4/10

8. Belmore Sports Ground​

Transport: Parking can be difficult, but the stadium is just a five-minute walk from Belmore station.

Ground and atmosphere: With a capacity of about 17,000, the stadium is small and intimate, which makes for good viewing wherever you sit. The grand stand, although well-worn, is heaving when it’s packed out for a Bulldogs home game.
General admission tickets for kids are $20 and $30 for adults. If you want a spot on the hill – rain, hail or shine – there’s an alcohol-free section for families.
What the grounds’ owner said: “As one of the last true suburban football grounds, nestled amongst houses, the railway and surrounding parkland, the Sportsground is iconic to the local Belmore community,” a Canterbury-Bankstown Council spokesperson said. “Stepping foot into the Sportsground gives local residents and the community a sense of pride in the area, the club and its long tradition.”
Score: 5/10

7. Netstrata Jubilee Stadium​

Transport: Parking isn’t great, but the stadium is a 10-minute walk from Carlton Station.

Ground and atmosphere: It might not be the flashiest ground, but Kogarah has a certain charm to it. The hills are pumping when the Dragons return to play, and the fans turn up even when the team are having a shocker of a season.
What the grounds’ owner said: “As one of the last true suburban football grounds, nestled amongst houses, the railway and surrounding parkland, the Sportsground is iconic to the local Belmore community,” a Canterbury-Bankstown Council spokesperson said. “Stepping foot into the Sportsground gives local residents and the community a sense of pride in the area, the club and its long tradition.”
Score: 5/10
What the grounds’ owner said: “As one of the last true suburban football grounds, nestled amongst houses, the railway and surrounding parkland, the Sportsground is iconic to the local Belmore community,” a Canterbury-Bankstown Council spokesperson said. “Stepping foot into the Sportsground gives local residents and the community a sense of pride in the area, the club and its long tradition.”
Score: 5/10

6. Leichhardt Oval​

Transport: Possibly one of the most annoying grounds to get to. A bike, bus or car will get you closest to the ground (although you’ll go insane looking for a park). The Leichhardt North light rail stop is a 10-minute uphill walk if you’re looking to get the step count up.

Ground and atmosphere: There’s no denying it: Leichhardt is a loveable ground, even if it is falling to pieces. One of the toilet blocks wouldn’t be out of place on the set of a post-apocalyptic movie. The Tigers don’t play many games here any more, but when they do, it’s electric.

Family tickets are a little costly at about $100; otherwise general admission starts at $25 for kids.

Score: 5.5/10

5. PointsBet Stadium​

Transport: Parking is limited at the ground, but shuttle buses run on a loop from Caringbah, Cronulla and Woolooware stations. Otherwise, it’s a 15-minute walk from Woolooware.

Ground and atmosphere: A great ground for viewing, but you’ll want to hope for clear skies, with about half the ground open to the elements, and undercover seating vulnerable to rain when the wind blows in.

Fans are vibrant and passionate, and general admission tickets start at $20. There’s no shortage of food options with bratwurst, wood fired pizza and gluten-free ice cream just some of what’s available. Prices, however, are a bit steep for families.

What they said: “The atmosphere when PointsBet Stadium is at capacity is second to none; however, we acknowledge there are ongoing challenges and that many of the facilities need a facelift and the stadium an upgrade,” Sharks chief executive Dino Mezzatesta said.

“Every Sydney club has received some form of funding for a stadium refurbishment and/or the construction of a Centre of Excellence, and we will continue to seek similar assistance.”

Score: 6/10

4. 4 Pines Park​

Transport: The worst part about 4 Pines is getting there. Parking is a nightmare and the B1 only takes you as far Warringah Mall, otherwise the leagues club is $10 for parking.

Ground and atmosphere: A ticket on the famous eastern hill will set you back $22 for a junior or $37 for an adult. With a capacity of about 18,000, every seat has a good vantage point at 4 Pines, but the hill (while enthusiastic) can make for tough viewing if you’re swallowed up by the sea of people.

The catering options are in the name: 4 Pines. The stadium offers a tasty selection of craft brews, if that’s your thing, and food stands with a few options including a bratwurst (the spicy one is the best).

3. BlueBet Stadium​


Transport: A shortish stroll from Penrith Station, otherwise there is cheap parking ($5) at the nearby paceway or cricket club.

Ground and atmosphere: Tickets on the hill are just $16 making it an affordable option for a family outing, and it’s another ground that has great visibility regardless of where you sit.

There’s a large variety of food – cheaper prices for members at the bar – and food trucks are also available.

The passion of a Penrith crowd is second-to-none, and a significant number of fans turn out to watch the reserve grade game beforehand. A very family-friendly venue that has a great vibe.

Score: 7/10

2. CommBank Stadium​


Transport: There’s not much public parking available near the stadium, but it’s a 15-minute walk from Parramatta station, or you can get off at Westmead and walk through Parramatta Park.

Ground and atmosphere: This stadium is pristine - fresh, clean, and an all-round great experience. The 30,000 capacity means it’s thriving when it’s filled to the brim, but even with a smaller crowd it has a good vibe.

CommBank is another stadium where restaurants are getting involved with the food offerings, with Lebanese eatery Al Aseel and burger chain Five Guys part of the new offerings in 2024. Tickets start at just $15 for juniors or $75 for a family of four.

Score: 8.5/10

1. Allianz Stadium​


Allianz is the pinnacle of rugby league stadiums.

Sure, it came with a $828 million price tag, and there are questions about whether it needed to be rebuilt in the first place, but now we have it, isn’t it nice?

Transport: A five-minute walk from Moore Park light rail or a 25-minute walk (uphill) from Central station.

Ground and atmosphere: Bright lights and buzzing, Allianz is at its best during a big clash like the Roosters and Rabbitohs this weekend or the Tricolours’ classic Anzac Day match against the Dragons.

Food options, while a little costly, are in abundance. Have a slab of Vinnie’s pizza, a braised beef pie from Sonoma or lamb kafta from Jimmy’s Falafel. Once again a family pass is a little steep – $110 – otherwise tickets start from $25 for juniors or $45 for adults.

Score: 9/10


Judging by their critique and scores, atmosphere seems to be the biggest marker here
 
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AlwaysGreen

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I want the olympics to have a suitable venue that doesnt embarrass the country and Brisbane a suitable legacy, sporting and non sporting, for spending billions of $'s.

The fact Suncorp is getting anything when it doesnt actually need it for the Olympics, which is what the funding has been set aside for, is dubious to say the least and smacks of vote winning decision making rather than whats best for the Olympics.

Thats not to say there shouldn't be a plan to upgrade Suncorp and get it to a 70k modern stadium, the two are not directly related imo. If we were talking a soccer world cup then obviously it would be a totally different conversation.
Its going to host the opening and closing ceremonies. And the football final. It will be the hub of the games. You don't need an oval for that.
 

Perth Red

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What visitors and future tourism? No big events will ever be at the Gabba. Suncorp is in a much better location and will be the same capacity, even after almost 4B spent on the Gabba.

QEII is already home to Queensland Athletics and multiple other sporting organisations, with events almost weekly, with an upgrade I'm sure they'll get even more use.

Wasted opportunity? Do you mean like how great Homebush has been for Sydney? At least Homebush has a large capacity. The Gabba would still be around the same capacity, wouldn't attract any extra events, and would be 1/4 full majority of the time. While killing any future new builds or upgrades to stadiums that we actually use and need.

I wonder if you'd be saying the same thing if WA proposed to build the most expensive stadium in history, a 65k seat rectangular stadium in South Perth for a 2-week event?
Im talking about all the area around they planned to develop and link to South Bank. That would have been amazing. i think South bank is the best tourist development area in any city in Australia and to have had it extended woudl have been great.

If we ever got a Football WC Id love for WA to spend $1.5bill on a world class rectangular stadium at Burswood so we got high profile games and the city had a decent stadium for the future for rectangluar sports!
 

titoelcolombiano

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Wasnt the original pitch for the Olympics to do just that? Rebuild some of the Gabba so it would fit? Was that just a furphy to get the games?
To do theat they need to relocate the heritage listed school next to it and there is a heap of public push back against that option.

The Gabba is fine as it is. It doesn't need to be any bigger for the sports it hosts and can just get some facility upgrades. Cricket Australia isn't taking test cricket away from the 3rd largest city in Australia no matter what they say.

Our premier venue getting an upgrade and becoming a world class stadium and our second most used venue (which is actually an athletics venue) getting done up for the Olympics athletics are the right choices.

Both stadiums will look spectacular by the time the games roll around, leave a practical legacy afterwards and the final cost for QSAC will likely be nowhere near 1.6b
 

titoelcolombiano

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Its not just about opening and cling ceremony, the athletics stadium is the face of the Olympics and the precinct around it the heart of the games. The plan was a sound wone in that regards, lining that area to south bank would have been amazing for visitors and future tourism.

If Gabba cant realistically be partially rebuilt for the games for $1.5bill fair enough, but it seems the answer they have come up with is more about public sentiment than best outcomes for the event that the whole thing is actually happening for! $1.6bill for a kids athletic stadium that will be a pretty ho hum face of the games seems a massive wasted opportunity for Brisbane.
Firstly, Suncorp and Caxton St / Milton will be an awesome Olympic precinct, secondly as a QLDer, it should be about public sentiment and not what AFL execs from Melbourne want and thirdly, Suncorp and QSAC are our most used venues and are getting the work put into them.
 

titoelcolombiano

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I want the olympics to have a suitable venue that doesnt embarrass the country and Brisbane a suitable legacy, sporting and non sporting, for spending billions of $'s.

The fact Suncorp is getting anything when it doesnt actually need it for the Olympics, which is what the funding has been set aside for, is dubious to say the least and smacks of vote winning decision making rather than whats best for the Olympics.

Thats not to say there shouldn't be a plan to upgrade Suncorp and get it to a 70k modern stadium, the two are not directly related imo. If we were talking a soccer world cup then obviously it would be a totally different conversation.
Can you explain why a 70k Suncorp will embarrass the country? It's already an awesome venue that will get better with upgrades.

Like with the Dolphins, you are going off too early. The venues will look fantastic come the Olympics.
 
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There’s an opportunity here for pvl to get involved an get a full rebuild of Suncorp in the 80k range

even if it means giving them some grand finals

They won't do that at this time as that is the "carrot" they are using with the NSW Government to get funding for NSW Stadium funding. I suspect if they can't get it over the line by next season, then it may change, but until then, they won't be looking at GF's in Qld.
 

bazza

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@Captain Apollo

Rating Sydney’s NRL stadiums from worst to best​

From lifeless and loveless, to lush and luxurious, the Herald ranks your club’s Sydney stadium and gives you a chance to have your say.

Sunday afternoons on the hill at Kogarah, or a Friday night thriller at Sydney’s shiny Allianz Stadium – these are the occasions that rugby league thrives on.

But charm and nostalgia can only do so much for some of Sydney’s historic grounds which are becoming outdated and decrepit.

Cronulla and Wests Tigers are among a handful of clubs campaigning for state funding to upgrade facilities, while the Panthers are set for a $309 million redevelopment due to be completed in 2026.

But if we take the venues as they are, how do they stack up? The Herald has ranked Sydney’s rugby league stadiums, from lifeless and loveless, to lush and luxurious.

Ticket prices, toilets, parking, public transport, visibility and atmosphere are among the factors considered in ranking your team’s stadium against the rest.

9. Accor Stadium​

It’s no wonder the Rabbitohs want a slice of Allianz Stadium: their home ground Accor is cold and lifeless unless it’s filled with 80,000 fans. Sure, there’s a place for Accor in rugby league, but that place is State of Origin and grand finals.

Transport: A two-minute walk from Olympic Park Station ... if the trains are working.
Ground and atmosphere: General admission starts at $15 for kids, $25 for adults and $70 for a family, which makes it slightly more affordable. It’s not the best stadium for viewing, especially if you’re stuck up the top with the pigeons, but there are plenty of toilets and food stands – which got a bit more bougie this year – although you might have to remortgage the house to feed the family.
The empty seats make for a lacklustre atmosphere which is a mood killer.
Score: 4/10

8. Belmore Sports Ground​

Transport: Parking can be difficult, but the stadium is just a five-minute walk from Belmore station.

Ground and atmosphere: With a capacity of about 17,000, the stadium is small and intimate, which makes for good viewing wherever you sit. The grand stand, although well-worn, is heaving when it’s packed out for a Bulldogs home game.
General admission tickets for kids are $20 and $30 for adults. If you want a spot on the hill – rain, hail or shine – there’s an alcohol-free section for families.
What the grounds’ owner said: “As one of the last true suburban football grounds, nestled amongst houses, the railway and surrounding parkland, the Sportsground is iconic to the local Belmore community,” a Canterbury-Bankstown Council spokesperson said. “Stepping foot into the Sportsground gives local residents and the community a sense of pride in the area, the club and its long tradition.”
Score: 5/10

7. Netstrata Jubilee Stadium​

Transport: Parking isn’t great, but the stadium is a 10-minute walk from Carlton Station.

Ground and atmosphere: It might not be the flashiest ground, but Kogarah has a certain charm to it. The hills are pumping when the Dragons return to play, and the fans turn up even when the team are having a shocker of a season.
What the grounds’ owner said: “As one of the last true suburban football grounds, nestled amongst houses, the railway and surrounding parkland, the Sportsground is iconic to the local Belmore community,” a Canterbury-Bankstown Council spokesperson said. “Stepping foot into the Sportsground gives local residents and the community a sense of pride in the area, the club and its long tradition.”
Score: 5/10
What the grounds’ owner said: “As one of the last true suburban football grounds, nestled amongst houses, the railway and surrounding parkland, the Sportsground is iconic to the local Belmore community,” a Canterbury-Bankstown Council spokesperson said. “Stepping foot into the Sportsground gives local residents and the community a sense of pride in the area, the club and its long tradition.”
Score: 5/10

6. Leichhardt Oval​

Transport: Possibly one of the most annoying grounds to get to. A bike, bus or car will get you closest to the ground (although you’ll go insane looking for a park). The Leichhardt North light rail stop is a 10-minute uphill walk if you’re looking to get the step count up.

Ground and atmosphere: There’s no denying it: Leichhardt is a loveable ground, even if it is falling to pieces. One of the toilet blocks wouldn’t be out of place on the set of a post-apocalyptic movie. The Tigers don’t play many games here any more, but when they do, it’s electric.

Family tickets are a little costly at about $100; otherwise general admission starts at $25 for kids.

Score: 5.5/10

5. PointsBet Stadium​

Transport: Parking is limited at the ground, but shuttle buses run on a loop from Caringbah, Cronulla and Woolooware stations. Otherwise, it’s a 15-minute walk from Woolooware.

Ground and atmosphere: A great ground for viewing, but you’ll want to hope for clear skies, with about half the ground open to the elements, and undercover seating vulnerable to rain when the wind blows in.

Fans are vibrant and passionate, and general admission tickets start at $20. There’s no shortage of food options with bratwurst, wood fired pizza and gluten-free ice cream just some of what’s available. Prices, however, are a bit steep for families.

What they said: “The atmosphere when PointsBet Stadium is at capacity is second to none; however, we acknowledge there are ongoing challenges and that many of the facilities need a facelift and the stadium an upgrade,” Sharks chief executive Dino Mezzatesta said.

“Every Sydney club has received some form of funding for a stadium refurbishment and/or the construction of a Centre of Excellence, and we will continue to seek similar assistance.”

Score: 6/10

4. 4 Pines Park​

Transport: The worst part about 4 Pines is getting there. Parking is a nightmare and the B1 only takes you as far Warringah Mall, otherwise the leagues club is $10 for parking.

Ground and atmosphere: A ticket on the famous eastern hill will set you back $22 for a junior or $37 for an adult. With a capacity of about 18,000, every seat has a good vantage point at 4 Pines, but the hill (while enthusiastic) can make for tough viewing if you’re swallowed up by the sea of people.

The catering options are in the name: 4 Pines. The stadium offers a tasty selection of craft brews, if that’s your thing, and food stands with a few options including a bratwurst (the spicy one is the best).

3. BlueBet Stadium​


Transport: A shortish stroll from Penrith Station, otherwise there is cheap parking ($5) at the nearby paceway or cricket club.

Ground and atmosphere: Tickets on the hill are just $16 making it an affordable option for a family outing, and it’s another ground that has great visibility regardless of where you sit.

There’s a large variety of food – cheaper prices for members at the bar – and food trucks are also available.

The passion of a Penrith crowd is second-to-none, and a significant number of fans turn out to watch the reserve grade game beforehand. A very family-friendly venue that has a great vibe.

Score: 7/10

2. CommBank Stadium​


Transport: There’s not much public parking available near the stadium, but it’s a 15-minute walk from Parramatta station, or you can get off at Westmead and walk through Parramatta Park.

Ground and atmosphere: This stadium is pristine - fresh, clean, and an all-round great experience. The 30,000 capacity means it’s thriving when it’s filled to the brim, but even with a smaller crowd it has a good vibe.

CommBank is another stadium where restaurants are getting involved with the food offerings, with Lebanese eatery Al Aseel and burger chain Five Guys part of the new offerings in 2024. Tickets start at just $15 for juniors or $75 for a family of four.

Score: 8.5/10

1. Allianz Stadium​


Allianz is the pinnacle of rugby league stadiums.

Sure, it came with a $828 million price tag, and there are questions about whether it needed to be rebuilt in the first place, but now we have it, isn’t it nice?

Transport: A five-minute walk from Moore Park light rail or a 25-minute walk (uphill) from Central station.

Ground and atmosphere: Bright lights and buzzing, Allianz is at its best during a big clash like the Roosters and Rabbitohs this weekend or the Tricolours’ classic Anzac Day match against the Dragons.

Food options, while a little costly, are in abundance. Have a slab of Vinnie’s pizza, a braised beef pie from Sonoma or lamb kafta from Jimmy’s Falafel. Once again a family pass is a little steep – $110 – otherwise tickets start from $25 for juniors or $45 for adults.

Score: 9/10


Judging by their critique and scores, atmosphere seems to be the biggest marker here
Campbelltown can't make the top 9
 
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