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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

beave

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Grand stand on the left set back too far from the field

other grand stand looks very basic
Both stands looks very much like QCB's west (corporate side) and east (basic pleb side) from those designs except the lower east rake at looks like it will be a little shallower, probably keeping the current concrete steps and putting new seats in?
 

Perth Red

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The main push for a rectangular Accor needs to come from the NRL and a couple of its clubs. FFA & RA probably don’t care all that much as they don’t use it for club games and can sell 80k tickets there occasionally for big internationals regardless of it’s shape. The AFL will push back on any plans again too even if they don’t do it publicly.

Problem is NRL actively moved away from that push in favour of a suburban strategy that has since resulted in a half-upgrade of Penrith and not much else. Current government isn’t interested in anything to do with stadiums either since it was a part of their election campaign.

The longer it goes the more likely tenants/potential tenants Bulldogs, Tigers & Souths find another solution for their long term home. Souths have made no secret about wanting to go to Allianz, Bulldogs are pushing their own option in Liverpool and Tigers’ latest idea seems to be focusing on Campbelltown.
If they spend $300mill on a roof its going to be a very long time till they spend another $300mill+ sorting the stands out. As you say NRL was happy to abandon the Accor rebuild so its not like they have much of a leg to stand on to now go back and demand it again.

Only positive is fully roofed they dont have to worry about changing the roof configuration in future and can move stands in without having to change any roofing drip line limits.
 

jim_57

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If they spend $300mill on a roof its going to be a very long time till they spend another $300mill+ sorting the stands out. As you say NRL was happy to abandon the Accor rebuild so its not like they have much of a leg to stand on to now go back and demand it again.

Only positive is fully roofed they dont have to worry about changing the roof configuration in future and can move stands in without having to change any roofing drip line limits.
That doesn’t look likely.
Premier Chris Minns has all but killed off the prospect of installing a roof on Sydney’s 83,000-seat Accor Stadium in Olympic Park, dismissing it as a “nice-to-have, not a need-to-have” at a time when the budget is stretched.
The premier’s resistance to a roof is in stark contrast to advocacy from stadium body Venues NSW, which is finalising a business case for the $300 million-plus project. It also puts him at odds with the Las Vegas epiphany of Sports Minister Steve Kamper, who has said the government was “seriously looking” at the roof.
Chris Minns on Friday.

Chris Minns on Friday. NINE NEWS
Shadow treasurer Damien Tudehope seized on the apparent gulf between Minns and Kamper on Friday, saying the government should be providing cost-of-living relief for families, not “fighting amongst themselves about the stadium roof”.
The business case will also investigate the option of a fixed, non-retractable roof at Accor (also known as Stadium Australia, its unbranded name), which would be substantially cheaper.
The roof push has resurfaced following the NRL’s round one excursion to Las Vegas’ Allegiant Stadium, which has a permanent, transparent roof made from a fluorine-based plastic.

Kamper has said such a roof “potentially would suit Accor”, and Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys is also a convert. “Before I went to Allegiant Stadium, I couldn’t see the benefits of having a roof,” he has said. “I wasn’t a fan, but I am now.”
Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas ahead of the opening round of this year’s NRL season.

Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas ahead of the opening round of this year’s NRL season. GETTY IMAGES NORTH AMERICA
But on Friday Minns made his strongest remarks to date against a roof at Accor, after statements of support for a refit from major sporting codes. “No flies on them, I can completely get why they would like the government to do it,” Minns said.
“We’ve got to assess what revenue benefit we would get as a result of that infrastructure. But I’ve also got to watch out for the budget, and there’s real pressure on the NSW budget from everything from emergency service funding to schools and hospitals, and they have got to take priority.”
Minns said rain-affected events – such as Pink’s first show at Allianz in February, or Taylor Swift’s first night at Accor – were part of having open-air stadiums. “Most stadiums around the world, even in cold weather climates, even in communities that have far more inclement weather than Sydney does, don’t have roofs on their stadiums,” he said. “We would love to do it, but they’re expensive.”

The price tag to install a retractable roof on the 25-year-old stadium is estimated upward of $300 million, though when asked by a listener on The Kyle and Jackie O Show in February, Minns said he “got an estimate” in the range of $150 to $250 million. “No plans right now,” Minns told the caller.
There are calls to fit a roof to Accor Stadium.

There are calls to fit a roof to Accor Stadium. NEARMAP
On the other hand, there are calls to go even further and revive plans to rebuild or refurbish Accor, with the future Metro West train line providing significantly improved access to Olympic Park. The previous Coalition government abandoned both plans, in 2018 and 2020 respectively, amid a political scrap that became known as the “stadium wars”.
In 2022, the Coalition gave Venues NSW $5 million to prepare a business case for a retractable roof at Stadium Australia. It is nearly complete.
At a budget estimates hearing in February, Venues NSW chief executive Kerrie Mather said a roof would provide “a massive competitive advantage” for NSW, though she did not give a dollar figure.

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“We could accommodate more concerts,” Mather said. “It would certainly enable us to compete very effectively against Melbourne. They have a number of stadiums and arenas with operable roofs, and we actually have none.”
Melbourne’s Marvel Stadium has a retractable roof, as does Rod Laver Arena, the centre court of the Australian Open (which is also used for concerts).
The federal government’s recent review of goods and services tax distribution has also made the roof more unlikely, with the NSW budget taking a $1.65 billion hit.
Business Sydney executive director Paul Nicolaou, who advocates putting a roof on the stadium, acknowledged there was “not enough money in the bank” to do everything.
“Most people would understand the economic situation,” he said. “It’s up to the government to make the call as to what’s a nice-to-have and what’s desperately required.”

Venues NSW said in a statement that a business case was under way and would be presented to the government when completed.
 

Steel Saints

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The main push for a rectangular Accor needs to come from the NRL and a couple of its clubs. FFA & RA probably don’t care all that much as they don’t use it for club games and can sell 80k tickets there occasionally for big internationals regardless of it’s shape. The AFL will push back on any plans again too even if they don’t do it publicly.

Problem is NRL actively moved away from that push in favour of a suburban strategy that has since resulted in a half-upgrade of Penrith and not much else. Current government isn’t interested in anything to do with stadiums either since it was a part of their election campaign.

The longer it goes the more likely tenants/potential tenants Bulldogs, Tigers & Souths find another solution for their long term home. Souths have made no secret about wanting to go to Allianz, Bulldogs are pushing their own option in Liverpool and Tigers’ latest idea seems to be focusing on Campbelltown.
Due to Covid, then NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian dumped the Homebush rebuild. So with Accor staying as it is, the NRL changed tact by pushing for suburban ground funding.

After the Olympics, it was kinda strange where Stadium Australia, as it was once known, wasn't developed into a rectangular venue. And yet, the state government also didn't want to fund suburban grounds.

So what should the NRL do with regards to Sydney stadiums? They need to help clubs like Manly, Tigers and Sharks get private funding. An example, the NRL could be involved in discussions with Manly and the UFC/ developers or whoever over Brookie upgrade. While with Homebush, they could lobby the state government until it's built into a rectangular ground.
 

Wb1234

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Agree with 8-4 or 9-3 split for the Dragons.

Tigers & Dogs are the ones that have a few options. Whilst I think a rectangular Homebush should happen I doubt it will any time soon. Liverpool would work for both if they could get on the same page. Campbelltown for the Tigers has potential if they move more games there and push for upgrades with the A-League team.
Liverpool could be a decade away

even if it gets approved this year the construction of the units will take ages

and I can’t see how the dogs fund a 500 million plus stadium on their own even if they sell the development land to a developer that would be 100 million leaving a 400 million shortfall

bank funding the interest would be close to 30 million pa
 

Panfas

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Comparing Penrith stadium scoping plans to current stadium, the eastern stand lower tier will reduce from the current 22 rows down to 17 rows. The new upper tier will replace the existing 14 rows and will have 31 rows. So total rows increases from 36 to 48, along with a total wider upper tier (goes beyond the dead ball line compared to current)
 

jim_57

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Due to Covid, then NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian dumped the Homebush rebuild. So with Accor staying as it is, the NRL changed tact by pushing for suburban ground funding.

After the Olympics, it was kinda strange where Stadium Australia, as it was once known, wasn't developed into a rectangular venue. And yet, the state government also didn't want to fund suburban grounds.

So what should the NRL do with regards to Sydney stadiums? They need to help clubs like Manly, Tigers and Sharks get private funding. An example, the NRL could be involved in discussions with Manly and the UFC/ developers or whoever over Brookie upgrade. While with Homebush, they could lobby the state government until it's built into a rectangular ground.

It’s all a bit blurred now but I thought once Commbank was done and Allianz was under construction the NRL essentially agreed with dumping the SA rebuild because their preference was the equivalent money be spent on suburban grounds instead. After a change of Government the end result of that seems to be a partial upgrade to Penrith and not much else.

If the NRL had stuck firm on the SA rebuild who knows.
 

bazza

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The main push for a rectangular Accor needs to come from the NRL and a couple of its clubs. FFA & RA probably don’t care all that much as they don’t use it for club games and can sell 80k tickets there occasionally for big internationals regardless of it’s shape. The AFL will push back on any plans again too even if they don’t do it publicly.

Problem is NRL actively moved away from that push in favour of a suburban strategy that has since resulted in a half-upgrade of Penrith and not much else. Current government isn’t interested in anything to do with stadiums either since it was a part of their election campaign.

The longer it goes the more likely tenants/potential tenants Bulldogs, Tigers & Souths find another solution for their long term home. Souths have made no secret about wanting to go to Allianz, Bulldogs are pushing their own option in Liverpool and Tigers’ latest idea seems to be focusing on Campbelltown.
Should be campaigning to have Homebush rebuilt in time for the new metro station and LR extension - currently scheduled for 2032 for metro

 

Wb1234

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It’s all a bit blurred now but I thought once Commbank was done and Allianz was under construction the NRL essentially agreed with dumping the SA rebuild because their preference was the equivalent money be spent on suburban grounds instead. After a change of Government the end result of that seems to be a partial upgrade to Penrith and not much else.

If the NRL had stuck firm on the SA rebuild who knows.
There is still no grand final deal with the nsw govt

anything is still possible from here

I’d prefer pvl just sell it each year and not worry about any more state govt funded upgrades we’ve had over 1.5 billion being or to be invested
 

jim_57

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Should be campaigning to have Homebush rebuilt in time for the new metro station and LR extension - currently scheduled for 2032 for metro


Best case is probably if it stays as is for now, no roof. Then wait and see what happens with government and other stadiums and try another big push for it in 5-10 years.
 

jim_57

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There is still no grand final deal with the nsw govt

anything is still possible from here

I’d prefer pvl just sell it each year and not worry about any more state govt funded upgrades we’ve had over 1.5 billion being or to be invested

Yeh that was conditional on the Homebush money being spent across suburban grounds which didn’t happen. Mind you the Government obviously knows unless the GF price skyrockets it will just be cheaper to keep buying it every year. An expanded Suncorp and a QLD Government keen to secure big events for it could put some pressure on that though.
 

Diesel

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Apparently (Shire talk) the Sharks are trying to sell their ground to council on the condition it gets a reno/upgrade?
What’s in it for the rate payers other than a white elephant stadium. The surrrounding ground had been sold and can’t be used for community use
 

Marlins

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Best thing about Minns not wanting a roof keeps the dream alive that Homebush will one day become Rectangular.
Get the suburban grounds up to Commbank, New Penrith standard. In 5-20 years time, at some point, Homebush will have to have a major refurb or get fully rebuilt. Win Win
 

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