The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Jamberoo]

$3.4b for a 55k stadium is highway robbery no matter which way you paint in. Again for context, it would be the second most expensive stadium ever built behind Sofi in LA without most of the bells and whistles that come with that stadium.

That huge spend then leaves Suncorp stadium, which hasn’t been touched for 30 years, in the lurch for quite a while as there would be no appetite for spending money on stadiums anytime soon after that. Suncorp is the main stadium in the city, the one that has sold out 9 times this year for Rugby League alone, soon to be 10.

I’m a big cricket fan myself but how often is cricket going to need those extra seats? Likewise AFL? Maybe a couple times a year if that. Some of the QSAC math is questionable for sure, but spending 2-3 stadiums worth of money on one that isn’t even that big and won’t ever be the city’s most used isn’t the answer either. For $3.4b Brisbane should be getting A LOT more than the Victoria Park “plan”.

Cricket and AFL don’t need many more seats at all, they will simply need a new stadium in 10 or so years. Just like Moore Park reached the end of its useful life so will the Gabba. Just make it 42k like the Gabba used to be. Forget this 55k+ nonsense. Make it less round, more oval like Adelaide, so it can be used for RL when Suncorp needs to be rebuilt in 10 - 15 years.

 

[Perth Red]

Just look at what London did for their 2012 stadium. They built a stadium on the cheap that was designed to be reduced in capacity after the games. Brisbane can do some thing similiar with QSAC.

London, like Brisbane, don’t have a need for a 70,000 seat oval.

London 2012 has been hailed as one of the greatest ever games.

London Olympic stadium had an 80k capacity!

 

[jim_57]

Cricket and AFL don’t need many more seats at all, they will simply need a new stadium in 10 or so years. Just like Moore Park reached the end of its useful life so will the Gabba. Just make it 42k like the Gabba used to be. Forget this 55k+ nonsense. Make it less round, more oval like Adelaide, so it can be used for RL when Suncorp needs to be rebuilt in 10 - 15 years.

There won’t be any rebuild of Suncorp any time soon if $3.4b is spent on a new oval at Victoria Park which is what I’m driving at. That’s the spending for 2 and a bit Optus stadiums for example, people have mentioned $300m only getting 2 stands at Penrith, with the Victoria Park money Queensland could build 11 Penriths.

The money being thrown around has gotten out of hand. If you’d have said a few years ago that Suncorp & the Gabba would split $1.2b then you’d assume both would be getting capacity increases and a nice makeover, now who can be sure. That’s why we need to see an actual detailed plan of what the money will get.

 

[Jamberoo]

There won’t be any rebuild of Suncorp any time soon if $3.4b is spent on a new oval at Victoria Park which is what I’m driving at. That’s the spending for 2 and a bit Optus stadiums for example, people have mentioned $300m only getting 2 stands at Penrith, with the Victoria Park money Queensland could build 11 Penriths.

The money being thrown around has gotten out of hand. If you’d have said a few years ago that Suncorp & the Gabba would split $1.2b then you’d assume both would be getting capacity increases and a nice makeover, now who can be sure. That’s why we need to see an actual detailed plan of what the money will get.

The current plan of QSAC and tarting up Gabba/Suncorp is $3.2B. $3.4B was for a ‘60k - 80k’ stadium. Make it 40k - 45k, then put $1B towards a Suncorp rebuild.

 

[i0Nic]

London Olympic stadium had an 80k capacity!

So? Because London had 80k Brisbane needs to have 80 too?

 

[jim_57]

The current plan of QSAC and tarting up Gabba/Suncorp is $3.2B. $3.4B was for a ‘60k - 80k’ stadium. Make it 40k - 45k, then put $1B towards a Suncorp rebuild.

The $3.4b was for 55k capacity for Victoria Park.

 

[i0Nic]

Look at what's been happening with Paris having events in Marseille and Tahiti. LA is having events at Oklahoma City. Maybe Brisbane should move athletics to the MCG or Accor. It's time to get more creative with the budget for these games.

 

[Perth Red]

So? Because London had 80k Brisbane needs to have 80 too?

yes, or there about.
40k is a joke and not seen for over a hundred years.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Look at what's been happening with Paris having events in Marseille and Tahiti. LA is having events at Oklahoma City. Maybe Brisbane should move athletics to the MCG or Accor. It's time to get more creative with the budget for these games.

Gold Coast is an obvious choice. We've already shown an athletics track fits in the ground (doesn't fit into the Gabba in current configuration) and temp seating brings it up to 40k as it was during the commonwealth games. Minimal spending and 45 mins south of QSAC, not too bad.

Then put $600M into Suncorp to bring it up to 70k with a new western stand and filling the corners in for opening and closing ceremonies plus soccer. Money will have to be spent on Suncorp anyway so may as well use this opportunity.

Put $400M into modernising the Gabba as a 35k stadium (sustainable size for the footprint the Gabba has to work with) which is more than enough for cricket and Fitzroy). Again, the Gabba is going to need money spent on it anyway so may as well use this opportunity.

Spend $500m on a new 30k rectangular venue at Perry Park, Ballymore, Showgrounds or Redcliffe for Rugby 7's and Olympic Soccer.

Brisbane Olympics then leaves a legacy for NRL, NRLW, AFL, Cricket, Soccer and Union.

Brisbane has a 70k Suncorp for events like NRL GF's, Magic Rd, Origin, Concerts, big NRL derbies, Wallabies, Socceroos, Matildas.

A modern, state of the art oval for cricket and fumbling.

A much needed mid sized rectangular venue for Reds, Roar, some Dolphins games, smaller Wallabies tests, NRLW Origins and Finals games and magic round overflow once we hit 20 teams.

1.5m spent to actually set the city's stadium infrastructure up for the next 30 years.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

yes, or there about.
40k is a joke and not seen for over a hundred years.

Being that Perth is not a non Olympic city, how about you stay out of this and leave it to us as we are an Olympic city

 

[Perth Red]

Being that Perth is not a non Olympic city, how about you stay out of this and leave it to us as we are an Olympic city

aw bless, someone's triggered by a bit of conversation.

ps perth is a non olympic city lol

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

Perth Red be like:

aw bless, someone's triggered by a bit of conversation.

Also PR in the last couple of pages:

A 40k scaffold stadium really isnt going to cut it!

and,

I'm not alone. will be the worse stadium in over a century!
Nothing like presenting your best face to the world.

and,

yes, or there about.
40k is a joke and not seen for over a hundred years.

 

[Vlad59]

Perth Red be like:


Also PR in the last couple of pages:


and,



and,

That was delicious. You go realise he’s a critical analyst though? He told us so!

 

[Jamberoo]

Gold Coast is an obvious choice. We've already shown an athletics track fits in the ground (doesn't fit into the Gabba in current configuration) and temp seating brings it up to 40k as it was during the commonwealth games. Minimal spending and 45 mins south of QSAC, not too bad.

Then put $600M into Suncorp to bring it up to 70k with a new western stand and filling the corners in for opening and closing ceremonies plus soccer. Money will have to be spent on Suncorp anyway so may as well use this opportunity.

Put $400M into modernising the Gabba as a 35k stadium (sustainable size for the footprint the Gabba has to work with) which is more than enough for cricket and Fitzroy). Again, the Gabba is going to need money spent on it anyway so may as well use this opportunity.

Spend $500m on a new 30k rectangular venue at Perry Park, Ballymore, Showgrounds or Redcliffe for Rugby 7's and Olympic Soccer.

Brisbane Olympics then leaves a legacy for NRL, NRLW, AFL, Cricket, Soccer and Union.

Brisbane has a 70k Suncorp for events like NRL GF's, Magic Rd, Origin, Concerts, big NRL derbies, Wallabies, Socceroos, Matildas.

A modern, state of the art oval for cricket and fumbling.

A much needed mid sized rectangular venue for Reds, Roar, some Dolphins games, smaller Wallabies tests, NRLW Origins and Finals games and magic round overflow once we hit 20 teams.

1.5m spent to actually set the city's stadium infrastructure up for the next 30 years.

The current plan has already allocated that much to Suncorp (and Gabba) and it isn't enough to increase capacity.

The feds and IOC are contributing significantly so there is way more than $1.5B in the kitty. Use it wisely, you know, on stadia with actual future use.

Athletics on the GC is not ideal, but is 2 billions times better than QSAC, the worst Olympics related idea anyone has ever had (maybe besides Raygun).

 

[Perth Red]

Perth Red be like:


Also PR in the last couple of pages:


and,



and,

thats not triggered, its a point of view about an Olympic athletics stadium that will be the significantly smallest in over 100 years, thats a fact not an opinion.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

thats not triggered, its a point of view about a stadium that will be the smallest in over 100 years, thats a fact not an opinion.

Nope. You are so triggered that the nuance is totally lost on you.

You're clearly quite agitated by any sort of positive opinion regarding the Brisbane games that you interject with your self defined 'facts' which are literally just opinions. That is the very definition of 'triggered'.

 

[Jamberoo]

thats not triggered, its a point of view about a stadium that will be the smallest in over 100 years, thats a fact not an opinion.

Many posters so worried about AFL getting an improved stadium that they don’t care if Brisbane has the worst Olympics venue ever. They would rather waste $2B at QSAC, even if it means less funds for Suncorp, or other non- AFL related projects.

In reality, the best thing for AFL haters would have been a rebuilt Gabba. Five years without a decent venue would have decimated support for the Lions.

 

[Vlad59]

thats not triggered, its a point of view about an Olympic athletics stadium that will be the significantly smallest in over 100 years, thats a fact not an opinion.

Naah it’s the triggered response from a Pom in Perth whinging about the size of a stadium in a city thousands of kilometres away that’ll get principal use for two weeks before turning into an afl cricket ground. You’ve been ranting about this for months on a nrl stadium discussion. Weird.

 

[Vlad59]

Many posters so worried about AFL getting an improved stadium that they don’t care if Brisbane has the worst Olympics venue ever. They would rather waste $2B at QSAC, even if it means less funds for Suncorp, or other non- AFL related projects.

In reality, the best thing for AFL haters would have been a rebuilt Gabba. Five years without a decent venue would have decimated support for the Lions.

Well you have a well earned reputation here as a pro afl stadium fanatic on a thread dedicated to NRL stadiums so I wouldn’t get too high on your horse if I were you.

 

[Perth Red]

Nope. You are so triggered that the nuance is totally lost on you.

You're clearly quite agitated by any sort of positive opinion regarding the Brisbane games that you interject with your self defined 'facts' which are literally just opinions. That is the very definition of 'triggered'.

a proposed 40k stadium isnt an opinion its a fact. Being the smallest proposed venue in over 100 years, by some distance, isnt an opinion its fact.
Where opinion comes in is if you think a 40k temp stadium is a fitting venue for the worlds biggest sporting occasion. Personally I dont and it would seem from recent media comments from others that I'm not alone. In fact Id go as far as to say it somewhat embarrassing for Australia to be the Olympic host in such a limited venue.
If people took off their AFL hate gasses for a moment most would probably agree.
Im not agitated, it wont make any difference to my life lol