The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Growthegame]

All this started because you couldn't handle a lighthearted joke. Grow up and move on please. I doubt people want to read this back and forth.

Stop posting then.

All I said is to put the spectator experience before capacity. Not sure how many times I need to keep repeating that. If you actually cared to read and comprehend that instead of trying to pick a fight, you would have seen multiple times that I said I'm content with a bigger capacity, provided the experience is top notch. 100k is just unrealistic and unnecessary though.

Regarding the NFL. it is one of the biggest sports competitions in the world and these new stadiums they are building are levels over anything we have in the NRL or AFL. If you're building the main stadium of NSW, why wouldn't you take ideas from them to improve what you're building.

Now for the sake of everyone, please move on.

We all understand what you’re saying. Now respect other opinions to disagree and believe you’re wrong.

 

[newc18]

Stop posting then.

I'd suggest you follow your own advice.

We all understand what you’re saying. Now respect other opinions to disagree and believe you’re wrong.

Considering you have misunderstood my entire point and you have a habit of talking out of your backside, I doubt you do understand. Now either give it a rest or I will simply just block you.

 

[Growthegame]

I'd suggest you follow your own advice.


Considering you have misunderstood my entire point and you have a habit of talking out of your backside, I doubt you do understand. Now either give it a rest

Only one have us has resorted to insulting the other. That says a lot.

I will simply just block you.

Go on Internet tough guy. No skin off my nose.

 

[Growthegame]

Oops too late. You’re on ignored now @newc18

 

[newc18]

Thank god for that lol.

 

[Jonno]

Read it again champ. I'm saying there isn't much you can do about Accor's location unless you want to abandon the site and build a new stadium elsewhere (which they won't). You just make do with what's there.


I doubt you actually went but I'll humor you.

If you have budget of let's say $3 billion to spend on a new stadium. With that money you can either build a basic 80-90k stadium that will do the job but won't be anything special, or you can build a 60-70k stadium that's a much better experience for spectators but obviously comes with a lower capacity.

I think 75,000 capacity is a great compromise for a large modern stadium while maintaining sight lines and atmosphere.
ability to utilise club mode options for 25,000 and 50,000 capacity.
Translucent roof,SoFi style would round it off.

For Accors location,its ideal for Sydney.
Its right in the centre of demographic Sydney.
The problem for transport has always been based on the fact that it was created for large crowds and event mode transport (direct trains from central).
If its not an event,the sprint platform from Lidcombe is not ideal.
The new metro will be a game changer for Accor and the surrounding Olympic Park.
Add in light rail,buses,train,metro and even ferries,Olympic Park will be one of the best served public transport sporting hubs in Australia.

 

[i0Nic]

Yep the location for Accor right now is not great but we have to think to the future with the new transport infrastucture. If they can also build out the area with more entertainment options and make it a hub of sport and entertainment as it should be, it could be awesome.

A Sofi-like stadium at a 75k+ capacity would make it the premier stadium in the country, if built today it would be 4-5B but by the time it actually is built in the early 2030s I would imagine it could be 6B

 

[Jonno]

I looked into Sydney Olympic Park transport capacities (outbound) once the Metro West is opened

• Heavy rail (nominal event mode., both directions): 48,000
• Metro West (3-min headway, current 6 car mode, both directions): 46,080
• Buses (mid mix): 9,500
• Light rail (one direction only): 4,800
• Ferries: 500

Total ≈ 108,980 people per hour

Metro West will basically operate in event mode on most days.

 

[beave]

i think if Accor was ever re-done, 80k should be the target capacity. The sight line differences between 75k vs 80k would be minute, especially if you actually designed it properly and had more than one tier at the ends and avoided stupid mountain sized stands on the sides. The extra 5k spread over 4 sides would be easy to achieve.

I am far from a soccer fan but if we don't have a 80k rectangular stadium, the country will never get a chance to host the WC, which takes the pressure off the wasteland states having to think about having/maintaining decent rectangular stadii.

 

[i0Nic]

It's a bit of an odd requirement from Fifa to be honest. I wonder whether they'll change that. If 60k is big enough for a superbowl and Olympic games opening ceremony and athletics, why isn't it big enough for a world cup final.

 

[Jonno]

Not sure 80,000 is a FIFA rule.
In modern times,
2002
2006
2014
2018
Finals were all under 80,000 with 2002 and 2006 played in 70,000 seat capacity venues.

 

[newc18]

Realistically I don't see us ever hosting a Men's FIFA World Cup final in our lifetime. That's not to say we won't co-host one, just that they would probably give the final to Indonesia.

 

[beave]

Not sure 80,000 is a FIFA rule.
In modern times,
2002
2006
2014
2018
Finals were all under 80,000 with 2002 and 2006 played in 70,000 seat capacity venues.

taken from Google.

 

[i0Nic]

The last few world cups finals have had between 70-85k attendance, but the early 2000s finals had 65-68,000 final crowds. If Accor was 73k or 75k I can't see FIFA knocking it back.

 

[Perth Red]

The last few world cups finals have had between 70-85k attendance, but the early 2000s finals had 65-68,000 final crowds. If Accor was 73k or 75k I can't see FIFA knocking it back.

Final wouldn’t be the problem, having enough 40k capacity stadiums would be, if they don’t allow ovals?

 

[Trifili13]

Final wouldn’t be the problem, having enough 40k capacity stadiums would be, if they don’t allow ovals?

Other problem is a World Cup is played in June/July and FIFA would want fields to have a pristine surface so you wouldn't be able to play league on them for a period before the actual tournament. The last tournament was shifted due to heat, can't see FIFA allowing Australia, if we won it, to move it to the league off season. Benefit however is potential new stadiums.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Other problem is a World Cup is played in June/July and FIFA would want fields to have a pristine surface so you wouldn't be able to play league on them for a period before the actual tournament. The last tournament was shifted due to heat, can't see FIFA allowing Australia, if we won it, to move it to the league off season. Benefit however is potential new stadiums.

Except it's probably in our best interests to have it. It will see more investment in rectangle stadiums, including getting Storms upgraded to that min of 40k which is required, having Perths rectanglar ground upgraded to 40k (Or a new one built). And also get the Fed Govt to upgrade Country grounds so they can be used for NRL games, and leave those communities with better facilities as well. It's about a 4 month window where NRL games would need some creative accounting. Using the SCG, work out which stadiums in Sydney would be Soccer only, and push the rest of the games to the other stadiums (Like Parramatta I'd say is the odd one out), more games at the Central Coast.

The Window FIFA likes is Jun-July. So we would have Origin Impacted unless we had none of those matches in NSW and QLD, and used the MCG which probably wouldn't be allowed to be used for Soccer due to it being an oval and have a game in SA and NZ.

 

[Growthegame]

Doesn’t FIFA dictate that all other domestic sport competitions stop during the men’s World Cup as well or am I making that up?

 

[Munky]

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taken from Google.

Those numbers go down for every extra million that finds its way to a Fifa delegate.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Doesn’t FIFA dictate that all other domestic sport competitions stop during the men’s World Cup as well or am I making that up?

No. They just can't use those stadiums I think for a month before so the grass is at it's best. Potentially a bit longer. And plenty of requirements for minium stadium standards. We would need to rebuild stadium australia if it was to happen.

As for the other part, only need to look that the World Cup happening in the USA next. No chance they stop all sports for FIFA. Just means those stadiums are out of play. Lucky it's the NFL offseason for them. Not something that we could force.