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Future Super League Stadiums

RedVee

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There was a story some years back that the Salford ground was going to be based on a casino development that would be their saviour. Is this development related to that story? or, did that go by unsuccessfully?
 

langpark

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if that small end at the top is the swimming pool complex then why can't they build a few thousand seats on the top of it?
 

Evil Homer

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The pool was apparently built years ago by a former RL-hating mayor of Perpignan who wouldn't allow them to build a stand over it, or something stupid like that. I guess they would probably be able to come to an agreement now, but the other end only had a temporary stand so it makes more sense to build there first.

RedVee, that was a pipe dream that was never going to come off, I remember they put out press releases about how they would average 20,000 and sign players like Minichiello and Gower. They were supposed to be the world's biggest club by 2006. Then we didn't hear anything for about 2 years until they came back with a completely different idea. It's things like this that have made everbody sceptical about any plans Salford have.
 

Evil Homer

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The pool was apparently built years ago by a former RL-hating mayor of Perpignan who wouldn't allow them to build a stand over it, or something stupid like that. I guess they would probably be able to come to an agreement now, but the other end only had a temporary stand so it makes more sense to build there first.

RedVee, that was a pipe dream that was never going to come off, I remember they put out press releases about how they would average 20,000 and sign players like Minichiello and Gower. They were supposed to be the world's biggest club by 2006. Then we didn't hear anything for about 2 years until they came back with a completely different idea. It's things like this that have made everbody sceptical about any plans Salford have.
 

Highway1

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Just curious, but have Leeds Rhinos ever considered moving to Elland Road?

There's also plenty of articles on Castleford sharing a ground with Wakefield, will that ever happen?
 

Evil Homer

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Just curious, but have Leeds Rhinos ever considered moving to Elland Road?

There's also plenty of articles on Castleford sharing a ground with Wakefield, will that ever happen?
No and no. Headingley is synonymous with Leeds RL, they will never move, and once the redevelopment is complete it will be a much nicer ground than Elland Road. Arguably it is already.

And Castleford and Wakefield have already stated that they don't want to groundshare.
 

Highway1

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No and no. Headingley is synonymous with Leeds RL, they will never move, and once the redevelopment is complete it will be a much nicer ground than Elland Road. Arguably it is already.

And Castleford and Wakefield have already stated that they don't want to groundshare.

Oh ok, I was just wondering, that's all.
 

Highway1

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Great finds, thanks for that.

Thanks.

Is there any progress or mention of redevelopment of Leeds' Headingley Carnigie Stadium in England?

Because finding sources for the Headingley stadium redevelopment is hard to find on the net, even on skyscrapercity.com .
 

JasonE

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Thanks.

Is there any progress or mention of redevelopment of Leeds' Headingley Carnigie Stadium in England?

Because finding sources for the Headingley stadium redevelopment is hard to find on the net, even on skyscrapercity.com .

Not sure about Stadium Development but i think they are currently building a new HD Digital screen at the ground, that will be pretty good when it's finished.
 

The Clan

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The construction of new stadiums and a successful application to new franchises are intrinsically linked and this is serving to fog the issue slightly.

IMO, St Helen's will complete their new stadium within the next 18 months with this coming season being the last at Knowsley Road having already announced that they will play at Halton Stadium in Widnes for one season.

There has been a lot of speculation about Salford's new stadium for a number of years but you only have to look at the ground works and then compare that with their stadium plans to see that they are well underway with construction.

Then we come to Wakefield and Castleford where the issues become far more complicated,

Wakefield in particular has had many false starts to building or relocating and as a result there is little or no sympathy for them in their current plight. It's a sad irony that Wakefield are very close to securing a fantastic new stadium yet may lose their super league place before they get it.
With funding in place Wakefield need to obtain full planning permission and this is where the problem lies, despite an almost overwhelming number of positive aspects to the development their plans have been called in for a public inquiry which will most likely delay a planning decision for at least 12 months. That delay could be the thing that rings the bell on Wakefield Trinity's franchise bid, super league place and perhaps even puts a rugby club with 131 years of history in jeopardy.

I am very close to the Wakefield club and have been involved in many negotiations over stadium builds in and around the district, I can confirm that had the decision not been referred to a public inquiry Wakefield Trinity would have been building by mid June 2011. That would have necessitated Wakefield Trinity playing from Barnsley FCs Oakwell stadium (much like St Helen's decision to play at Widnes) which while not ideal would have brought many positives.

As for Castleford, there is a strong suspicion that Richard Wright (chairman) is carefully managing Castleford’s progression towards a new stadium in order to appear, through careful PR, to be ahead of Wakefield Trinity in the franchise race. However it is widely thought that while Castleford are further down the planning road than Wakefield they have a much higher and more difficult hurdle to get over, that hurdle being the huge funding gap. Richard Wright's tactics may well prove to be successful in winning a super league franchise he will then have a further three years in which to secure the finance required to get the stadium build off the ground, only time will tell.

My prediction for what will actually happen over the next 3 to 4 years is that Wakefield will lose their super league franchise but will then go on to build their stadium which will probably be ready by mid to late 2013. Unfortunately the geographical location of the club will mean that they will almost definitely fail to win back a super league franchise as the bigger Super League clubs and the Rugby Football League seem set on expanding the game.

Castleford will retain their Super League franchise but despite having full planning permission will not begin construction of the superstructure to their stadium due to lack of funding. They will hope that the former Hickson chemical site blast zone restrictions are lifted allowing Ben Bailey Homes to complete the purchase of Wheldon Road which will be sold for much less than the originally agreed price thus leaving Castleford with further financing problems. In this scenario to Castleford club will opt to build their stadium in sections in the hope that this will be enough to retain their place in the Super League when the 2015 franchise applications are adjudged.

Widnes will be promoted, and rightfully so!
 
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Johnny_L_O

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Hey guys.

Stage 1 of our ground redevelopment has started with a 43 square meters Full HD Screen currently being built on the Western Terrace next to the scoreboard. This will show action from every match regardless of wether it's on TV or not and will officially be "switched on" for the 1st home game of the season.

http://www.therhinos.co.uk/news/15490.php

The next stage is to be the demolition and rebuild of the South Stand now roumored to be August, although this hasnt been officially confirmed. Work had originally been planned to start at the end of the season but there'd be no way it'd be finished for the start of the 2012 season like scheduled. The rumour is demolition will start after the Cas game in mid August. This I think, is the same time we are having the new pitch laid. That its self is costing £250,000. We will have 1 game left which will probably be played at Elland Road plus a good chance of at least 1 home play off game.

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The above picture is what the stadium will look like after stage 3 when the North stand will be finished. The timing for this though is sketchy at the moment because it needs to coincide with the Cricket stand redevelopment on the back of the north stand.

For those of you who dont know Headingley, The South stand is on the right, the north stand is on the left and the Carnegie stand was developed about 3 years ago. You can see the back of the new scoreboard on the Western Terrace at the bottom.

The ground should look pretty good when its finished.
 
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Johnny_L_O

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Oh, just to add. The capacity at the moment is 20,500 but after all the redevelopment it will be around the 23,000/24,000 mark.
 

Evil Homer

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Shame the footpath behind the Western Terrace is stopping development there. Do you know if it will be possible to put a roof over that terrace Johnny?
 

Johnny_L_O

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Shame the footpath behind the Western Terrace is stopping development there. Do you know if it will be possible to put a roof over that terrace Johnny?


There's always talk about Caddick owning the houses behind the footpath or planning to buy them but I dont know if it will ever happen. Its a shame really because thats the only thing letting Headingley down. It's a hard one though trying to get planning permission to build up in such a built up area. Especially as the gardens to those houses are litterally 2 metres behind the Western terrace.
 

Johnny_L_O

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Just so you see how much the ground will have improved here's a comparative before and after shot.

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The South Stand >>>
and North Stand <<<

Havent been touched much in 100 years. Only a new roof put on every now and again and a few thousand plastic seats put in the bottom half of the North. The top half are still ugly, uncomfy wooden seats. You can also see why we need to coincide the NS's redevelopment with the cricket stand too on that shot.
 

hutch

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that is great johnny, leeds deserve a modern stadium with a reasonable capacity to play in. when is the completed stadium due and do they have the funds already? will leeds have to play at elland road during the renovations?
 

Johnny_L_O

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At the moment nothings set in concrete and with the current climate things can fall through at any time but Leeds' had a turnover of around £10m last year so we are fine for funding. Obviously too the cost for the north stand will be shared with Yorkshire CCC so that won't be too bad. As I said there's no time scale for the North at the moment but the rest of the cricket ground has already been redeveloped so they will probably want to get it sorted as soon as they can too. Maybe toasted the end of 2012 or into 2013 are the rumours.

As for where we will play, with it only being a maximum of 3 games but a deffinate 1 game this season every one is guessing Elland Road. It makes the most sence and Ken Bates, the Leeds United Chairman, has never been one to turn money down :lol:

The south stand should be done for the start of next year. If they start in August they will have 6 months to complete it, plus we could ask for our first few games to be away giving us an extra few weeks.
 

langpark

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it seems like quite a big and expensive process for a 3000 seat increase. I wish they would build one with a capacity over 25k so they could host internationals instead of the usual hull, wigan and huddersfield. I believe the matches in leeds would be the best attended ones. Also for matches with Bradford or Hull, they could even get 30k to these games if the stadium was big enough. RL needs to move forward, not limit itself like this.

I see there's a space issue at one end, then why not make one of the side stands (maybe the one on the right) a two-tier stand (and build underground parking if you're worried about losing all those spaces).

i know i know, all this requires money, but surely you'll get a return on investment long-term, it would become the 'go-to' venue for many high-profile matches.
 

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