Future Super League Stadiums

[nadera78]

I thought the same about Salford, but the road that you can see in the background on the bridge is a major motorway for access to Manchester and it's also pretty close to the Trafford Centre, which is one of the biggest and most well-known shopping malls in the country, so I don't think there will be too much of a problem. Also I think the area surrounding the stadium is going to be built up in the coming years, but don't quote me on that.

Warrington are only filling in two of the corners, which will take the capacity to 15,500. The other two will take it over 18,000, but that isn't neccessary just yet. IMO the stadium will look far better with the corners filled in.

Salford city council are paying for the development (being built by Peel - like seemingly everything in the North West) and a surrounding retail development. The income from the latter will pay for the cost of the former.

Are Warrington including more corporate areas in the expansion? IIRC they are completely sold out, and some on long-term deals, at the moment.

 

[WireMan]

Are Warrington including more corporate areas in the expansion? IIRC they are completely sold out, and some on long-term deals, at the moment.

Not this time around.

The current plan is two corners are being filled (North East (seats, and the pic above) and South East(standing)). The big screen used for sky matches is going into the South West corner. The capacity as stated will be around 15,500.

The next stage after the two corners is finished is to put an level of boxes in the North Stand. The North stand for those unsure is the stand facing the cameras and has the seats and corporate. This won't add much to the capacity but will add a good chunk to the bank balance. Which is nice.

After that, if the demand is there the other two corners may be looked at and there is scope to expand the south stand back a few rows. Which may be more likely. Moran has also said he'd like seats at the back of the South and he does have the final say on these matters, but we will see.




As for Salford, not looked into travel links yet, there is a bus from Irlam station i think but its a bit of a pain. For public transport the best bet looks like getting to the Traff centre then walking. It will probably be a job for the car though and is one problem for the new ground. That and its next to Daveyhume sewage work so may be a lovely experience in summer...

 

[CC_Roosters]

I thought the same about Salford, but the road that you can see in the background on the bridge is a major motorway for access to Manchester and it's also pretty close to the Trafford Centre, which is one of the biggest and most well-known shopping malls in the country, so I don't think there will be too much of a problem. Also I think the area surrounding the stadium is going to be built up in the coming years, but don't quote me on that.

Warrington are only filling in two of the corners, which will take the capacity to 15,500. The other two will take it over 18,000, but that isn't neccessary just yet. IMO the stadium will look far better with the corners filled in.

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Dammit, does that mean we can no longer see the glorious traffic going by the stadium?

So we have Warrington upgrading to 15,500. Saints and Salford getting new stadiums. So the only dumps remaining are at Wakey and Cas. Does anyone know what the status is on those? Why they dont share a decent sized ground is beyond me.

 

[WireMan]

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Dammit, does that mean we can no longer see the glorious traffic going by the stadium?

So we have Warrington upgrading to 15,500. Saints and Salford getting new stadiums. So the only dumps remaining are at Wakey and Cas. Does anyone know what the status is on those? Why they dont share a decent sized ground is beyond me.

Don't forget Hull KR.
Bradford could do with some paint. Leeds have a condemned stand.
Its a Yorkshire thing. ;-)


As for those two, Wakey are awaiting planning permission to build on green belt. The result is in March. So assuming they get it and have the money (two biggies their) they should be in for the 2014 season maybe even 2013 if they can start quickly.

Cas need planning permission to turn their old ground into a supermarket so they can sell the land to build the new ground (which they have planning permission for). However their are big question marks over the supermarket. If it does not get permission, or the supermarket builds elsewhere then it ain't happening.

Basically Cas have the land and permission, Wakey have the money. You'd think they could come up with something.


Oh and don't knock the traffic near Warringtons ground. Thats a sign that the town isn't dead yet!!

 

[langpark]

here's a walk through the new St Helens Stadium; official name; Langtree Park (no comment)

http://link.brightcove.com/services...YDLGSh2yu4XruBQh1N8XmHpc9&bctid=1275783684001

 

[Evil Homer]

Don't forget Hull KR.
Bradford could do with some paint. Leeds have a condemned stand.
Its a Yorkshire thing. ;-)

I don't mind Hull KR's ground. They are supposed to be building a new stand where the away fans are currently seated, with the temporary seating moving to the other side, I think this is scheduled for next year. That will make it quite a nice ground IMO.

Leeds' new stand has been put back until the end of next season, I doubt they can wait any longer than that or they risk not receiving a safety certificate. Bradford could do with a roof, but other than that it's alright.

 

[VictoryFC]

Yep Super League stadiums looks pretty good now with Sal, Saints and now Warringtons expansion. Saints stadium in particular looks a gem

 

[Bombay Devils RLFC]

Yes but the saints stadium only holds 18k. They were getting 14K+ before hand which means they are not looking at growing their crowds too much despite a better stadium. I am sure there are reasons for the capacity of the stadium but I would have thought a 25k seater would suffice for the next 15-20 years down the track.

 

[VictoryFC]

Is it expandable?

Its the same old question re stadiums. Do you build to maximise or build down to ensure full stadiums. I support the latter, so 18k seems perfect. It just looks really good, int/ext, the whole lot. RL definitely on an upward path in England and the quality of the stadiums in the league now is a testament to that.

 

[WireMan]

Yes but the saints stadium only holds 18k. They were getting 14K+ before hand which means they are not looking at growing their crowds too much despite a better stadium. I am sure there are reasons for the capacity of the stadium but I would have thought a 25k seater would suffice for the next 15-20 years down the track.

The problem is it costs money to add capacity. So you need to find a balance between what you want, need and afford.

There is no point building a 25k seater stadium as it will cost to much money and never fill up enough to pay it back.

We have some larger football stadiums should the need ever arise for a bigger stadium.

One option could (by could i mean never happen) of been for Saints, Widnes, Wigan and Warrington to put their funds together and build a national rugby stadium down the M62. It would be used like the big ones are used in Sydney and would probably be as full.

 

[CC_Roosters]

Don't forget Hull KR.
Bradford could do with some paint. Leeds have a condemned stand.
Its a Yorkshire thing. ;-)


As for those two, Wakey are awaiting planning permission to build on green belt. The result is in March. So assuming they get it and have the money (two biggies their) they should be in for the 2014 season maybe even 2013 if they can start quickly.

Cas need planning permission to turn their old ground into a supermarket so they can sell the land to build the new ground (which they have planning permission for). However their are big question marks over the supermarket. If it does not get permission, or the supermarket builds elsewhere then it ain't happening.

Basically Cas have the land and permission, Wakey have the money. You'd think they could come up with something.


Oh and don't knock the traffic near Warringtons ground. Thats a sign that the town isn't dead yet!!

Partial dumps!

Isn't Bradford City's ground in a state of disrepair as well? A shared all-seater in the 25K range ala Hull, Galpharm would make sense given the size of the place.

 

[WireMan]

Partial dumps!

Isn't Bradford City's ground in a state of disrepair as well? A shared all-seater in the 25K range ala Hull, Galpharm would make sense given the size of the place.

I think Cities ground is better than the Bulls, but the rugby fans don't want to share due to location and historical falling outs.

A new stadium in the middle of the city would be good, but if they could afford to build anything there they would of by now.

 

[roughyedspud]

LANGTREE PARK has a nice ring to it...certainly does'nt sound like its a sponsored stadium anyway

 

[WireMan]

LANGTREE PARK has a nice ring to it...certainly does'nt sound like its a sponsored stadium anyway

Yeah, looks good and has a good name.


Wasted on a sh*thole like St Helens though.

 

[Bombay Devils RLFC]

I agree there is a balance but it is better to build for the future rather than having to rebuild at a later date which indeed will cost more.

I believe in the old adage build it and they will come. A larger stadium of 25k could be filled it is just a matter of what prices you are prepared to charge.

From what I have saw on a later news piece it looks like the saints stadium can have the corners built up later so maybe this is the plan if the attendances justify it.

The main thing is of course they now have such a better ground for the fans and players.

 

[Goddo]

I agree there is a balance but it is better to build for the future rather than having to rebuild at a later date which indeed will cost more.

I believe in the old adage build it and they will come. A larger stadium of 25k could be filled it is just a matter of what prices you are prepared to charge.

From what I have saw on a later news piece it looks like the saints stadium can have the corners built up later so maybe this is the plan if the attendances justify it.

The main thing is of course they now have such a better ground for the fans and players.

You get that redundancy by "fitted for but not with" - design the stadium so that its easy to upgrade. Build it to 20k now but have a plan and foundations to take it to 25k, 30k...

 

[roughyedspud]

the beauty of "flatpack stadia" is they are piss easy and relatively cheap to expand.......looking at langtree park, they could fill in a couple of corners...or take the roof off the stand opposite the main stand to add another tier...where as something like the reebok,eastlands or the emirates would be a absolute nightmare to expand because they are 'designed' to be a certain capacity...if that makes sense?

 

[Evil Homer]

the beauty of "flatpack stadia" is they are piss easy and relatively cheap to expand.......looking at langtree park, they could fill in a couple of corners...or take the roof off the stand opposite the main stand to add another tier...where as something like the reebok,eastlands or the emirates would be a absolute nightmare to expand because they are 'designed' to be a certain capacity...if that makes sense?

I don't really think it does because despite your assertions, St Helens is clearly not a flatpack stadium.

 

[roughyedspud]

it is.....though as i said earlier in the thread langtree seems to have alittle bit more "design" about it...a "flatpack stadia" version 2.0 if you will

 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

I don't really think it does because despite your assertions, St Helens is clearly not a flatpack stadium.

Pretty similar designs.
I'd say it's pretty similar to HJ with the corners filled in as well.