game chat v roosters

[Objective View]

Oh please!

McGregor, for whom I have no particular affection, has out-performed most other coaches since taking over (Green and Toovey have done better).

All players have improved under McGregor IMO and they know it.

To blame McGregor for injuries prior to Jeremy Hickmans regime with Bennett is lame and frankly shows a lack of knowledge of who was involved in what roles during the period and the impact that they had on individual injuries etc. It isn?t Salem in the 1690?s mate.

If any of us were seconded to a role; we would do our best to achieve and expect a little qualified support until we were proven to be less than adequate. We?d expect consideration of the facts and to be judged on our merits.

McGregor is improving the performance of the team and has the courage to make changes in order to realise his vision.

Over the next month and a bit, we have the opportunity to judge for ourselves. I?ll be disappointed if we don?t, barring unforeseen injuries, etc. win the remaining five games ?til the semis.

As Sting wrote ?To search for perfection is all very well but to look for heaven is to live here in hell?. Nothing this year has prior to McGregor?s stint has entitled us to unrealistic expectations. Give the bloke a chance and if he fails, consider him gone.

And it's this type of apologetics that condemns the club to mediocrity.

 

[coast_dragons]

Pardon me for thinking the club is actually run by a board of directors and not fans.

Yes the last 2 and a bit years have been mediocre but to think another fan or fans view is the reason for this lol what an absolute load of shit.

Will McGregor get the job probably but thats down to the people running the show who make the ultimate decision which lately I have to say has been wrong alot more then right.

 

[rasaint]

Fair enough we all love our dragons. All I challenge is that posts are not specific. In other words who should be the Dragons coach (has to be available) and for what reason? If the club is being damned to mediocrity who is this never mentioned name who is available to lead us out of the wilderness to the next premiership. If it's Neil Henry then put it out there and say why. I am interested in other Dragons supporters opinions.

If Benji is not the right half back then who is available and fits the bill. I know we went for Cronk but missed.

Anyway, I said it in a previous post last weeks game we were beaten by some very generous video ref decisions. Guerra did not place the ball on the try line or over it. At best it momentarily abutted it. That is not a try. Not knocking the roosters they played very well and defended well against us. That was a quality performance by the dragons. Just saying the team has improved markedly since Benji and Mary came on the scene.

Questions is who specifically is the person who should coach next year and why if not Mary?

 

[denis preston]

Fair enough we all love our dragons. All I challenge is that posts are not specific. In other words who should be the Dragons coach (has to be available) and for what reason? If the club is being damned to mediocrity who is this never mentioned name who is available to lead us out of the wilderness to the next premiership. If it's Neil Henry then put it out there and say why. I am interested in other Dragons supporters opinions.

If Benji is not the right half back then who is available and fits the bill. I know we went for Cronk but missed.

Anyway, I said it in a previous post last weeks game we were beaten by some very generous video ref decisions. Guerra did not place the ball on the try line or over it. At best it momentarily abutted it. That is not a try. Not knocking the roosters they played very well and defended well against us. That was a quality performance by the dragons. Just saying the team has improved markedly since Benji and Mary came on the scene.

Questions is who specifically is the person who should coach next year and why if not Mary?

Thats the way I see it. We are far more competitive under both. The negativity on this forum sometimes irritates me particularly from some that don't contribute any positive thoughts. Easier to bag than come up with a solution.

 

[Mr Red]

...And yet he has still proved to be quite handy.

Yes that's the problem, we have a lot of "handy" players in our top 17... Not bad, not great , but "handy"
Handy = middle table

 

[Mr Red]

Fair enough we all love our dragons. All I challenge is that posts are not specific. In other words who should be the Dragons coach (has to be available) and for what reason? If the club is being damned to mediocrity who is this never mentioned name who is available to lead us out of the wilderness to the next premiership. If it's Neil Henry then put it out there and say why. I am interested in other Dragons supporters opinions.

If Benji is not the right half back then who is available and fits the bill. I know we went for Cronk but missed.

Anyway, I said it in a previous post last weeks game we were beaten by some very generous video ref decisions. Guerra did not place the ball on the try line or over it. At best it momentarily abutted it. That is not a try. Not knocking the roosters they played very well and defended well against us. That was a quality performance by the dragons. Just saying the team has improved markedly since Benji and Mary came on the scene.

Questions is who specifically is the person who should coach next year and why if not Mary?

Take 5 minutes and read some of the numerous threads on the above topics that have already been discussed, many members already answering your above questions regarding coaches and halfbacks ...

 

[pinkmoon]

Thats the way I see it. We are far more competitive under both. The negativity on this forum sometimes irritates me particularly from some that don't contribute any positive thoughts. Easier to bag than come up with a solution.

Come up with a solution? this is a forum, not a board meeting. We've languished at the bottom of the ladder for three seasons; that's why there is a lot of negativity on here.

 

[pinkmoon]

If Benji is not the right half back then who is available and fits the bill. I know we went for Cronk but missed.

Personally, I didn't think we even needed to buy a 7, especially not on the kind of money that Benji commands. I would have put Sam Williams in the side at the start of the season, and given him half the year to find his feet. Prior to that, I probably would have kept Soward around for another couple of years and paired him up with Widdop. The kicking game of Soward, and the running game of Widdop would have been perfect. All the NRL teams have one dominant half (besides Manly), with the other playing a supporting role, and generally costing less.

It would have been better for us to chase a decent hooker and a front rower with the Marshall money. We could have gone hard at Sam Moa, and Michael Lichha for example. In saying that, I don't agree that we should be more specific about solutions; it's just a forum, and most of us don't have time to draw up a fake set of books, and sit at home all day, running an eye over the off contract contingencies in the player and coaching ranks, and play mock CEO in attempt to appease some muffin on the other end of a computer. For the third year running, we are probably going to miss the finals, and that's why people are having their say; you can take it or leave it.

 

[Cagey Mac]

You have a short memory Cagey. This is from Mary himself;

"I was doing the role of performance co-ordinator at the Dragons, which I think helped give me a real good insight into player management."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...int-venture-20140721-zv8cz.html#ixzz39PGzFB8X

His insight into player management was up the shit, because none of them could get on the field. Hickmans turned that around very quickly.

Dear oh Dear Pinky!
Mary was the co-ordinator. Hickmans is a rehab specialist. One is a player management role the other a medical role. Mary didn't design the S&C programs, he ensured that they were executed.

That said, look at what's happening at Newcastle now and so many other teams at the moment. Most sporting injuries fall into the "Shyt Happens" category. Depth and player management (IE developing multiple skillsets) is what clubs can do to mitigate these eventualities.

Your predisposition to not liking Mary is what makes many poor coaches and judges of talent.

You know it makes sense.

 

[pinkmoon]

Dear oh Dear Pinky!
Mary was the co-ordinator. Hickmans is a rehab specialist. One is a player management role the other a medical role. Mary didn't design the S&C programs, he ensured that they were executed.

That said, look at what's happening at Newcastle now and so many other teams at the moment. Most sporting injuries fall into the "Shyt Happens" category. Depth and player management (IE developing multiple skillsets) is what clubs can do to mitigate these eventualities.

Your predisposition to not liking Mary is what makes many poor coaches and judges of talent.

You know it makes sense.

I hate to break it to you buddy, but he was essentially a strength and conditioning coach, regardless of what title it was given, as this article confirms; "After a decade-long playing career for the Steelers and Dragons followed by a seven-year stint with the club as strength and conditioning coach".http://www.bunburymail.com.au/story/2397212/mcgregor-puts-fire-back-in-dragons-belly/

He used to massage the players in the sheds before the game; there was footage of it on channel 9 over the years (dear oh dear Cagey). Why do you think this forum was up in arms when he was given the an assistant role under Price? It's not because people didn't like the way he ran he water; it's because we remember what an ordinary job he did under Brown.

Sure, an injury like Fien's when he got his leg caught under the Parramatta defenders could be considered "shyt happens", but soft tissues injuries are avoidable with correct management, and appropriate rehabilitation. I hardly remember Gasnier and Cooper playing a game together in the Brown days, the same goes for Ryles and Bailey. It was always a hamstring, or a groin, or torn pec.

Anyway, you don't blame McGregor, and I hold him accountable to some extent, and we move on.

 

[Cagey Mac]

I hate to break it to you buddy, but he was essentially a strength and conditioning coach, regardless of what title it was given, as this article confirms; "After a decade-long playing career for the Steelers and Dragons followed by a seven-year stint with the club as strength and conditioning coach".http://www.bunburymail.com.au/story/2397212/mcgregor-puts-fire-back-in-dragons-belly/

He used to massage the players in the sheds before the game; there was footage of it on channel 9 over the years (dear oh dear Cagey). Why do you think this forum was up in arms when he was given the an assistant role under Price? It's not because people didn't like the way he ran he water; it's because we remember what an ordinary job he did under Brown.

Sure, an injury like Fien's when he got his leg caught under the Parramatta defenders could be considered "shyt happens", but soft tissues injuries are avoidable with correct management, and appropriate rehabilitation. I hardly remember Gasnier and Cooper playing a game together in the Brown days, the same goes for Ryles and Bailey. It was always a hamstring, or a groin, or torn pec.

Anyway, you don't blame McGregor, and I hold him accountable to some extent, and we move on.

Now that sounds like a plan ;-)
Either way we'll know in few weeks
I reckon we may be able to afford one narrow loss but five wins should see us in the finals.
I'd expect 4:1 or 5:0 to see McGregor safe, nothing less.
Henry will go to the Titans so options for '15 are slim in any case

 

[getsmarty]

Personally, I didn't think we even needed to buy a 7, especially not on the kind of money that Benji commands. I would have put Sam Williams in the side at the start of the season, and given him half the year to find his feet. Prior to that, I probably would have kept Soward around for another couple of years and paired him up with Widdop. The kicking game of Soward, and the running game of Widdop would have been perfect. All the NRL teams have one dominant half (besides Manly), with the other playing a supporting role, and generally costing less.

It would have been better for us to chase a decent hooker and a front rower with the Marshall money. We could have gone hard at Sam Moa, and Michael Lichha for example. In saying that, I don't agree that we should be more specific about solutions; it's just a forum, and most of us don't have time to draw up a fake set of books, and sit at home all day, running an eye over the off contract contingencies in the player and coaching ranks, and play mock CEO in attempt to appease some muffin on the other end of a computer. For the third year running, we are probably going to miss the finals, and that's why people are having their say; you can take it or leave it.

Agree,,Re Soward, you can blame Price for him leaving. Marshall will come good. People need to be patient. I can't believe we didn't throw big bucks at Moa. Exactly the type of player we need.

 

[Mr Red]

Marshall will come good. People need to be patient.
Marshall has been crap for three seasons...how patient should we be?

I can't believe we didn't throw big bucks at Moa. Exactly the type of player we need.
Because Dan Hunt is our marquee player, so why would we need more props?