Game day Thread Round 22 v The Wahs Friday 2nd August 6pm AEST

[Rocket man]

When I seen Lane charging onto the ball full speed it made me question why he hasn't been for the last 2yrs.
A lot of players we have written off might just need a rocket up their arses.

I still think Sivo will benefit from a new coach mostly.
Also Hands impressed me. Looking more confident each week. Calling plays down the blind side, running more and some inportant tackles. If he can finish the year like the way he played tonight we have our hooker issue solved.

I think we have been trying to give Lane the ball as he hits the defensive line.
He got the ball before the line this game.

 

[strider]

Hand's attack isn't the issue, it's his work rate. Before last night for the season he was averaging 25 tackles per game at 91% (not great). Last night he made 45 tackles at 98% (happy to be corrected on the stats)

Keep that up and he has locked in the 9 for us, it's the type of work rate he needs to be a definite nrl starter.

What are his stats for just the games he got decent minutes?
He got bugger all minutes many games earlier this year. So a per game stat is totally misleading.

 

[TheParraboy]

TheParraboy is the problem suity

I have won more games without him this year then with him.

In my defence I have been playing injured and on a juicy salary...

 

[EelEtric]

I think both Lane and Silvo's form is a result of some mental challenges they havent been able to overcome.
For Lane, breaking a jaw is a big mental hurdle to get over and to follow it up with another injury just 2 or 3 weeks after coming back has to play on your mind and introduce a level of cautiousness... not something you want as a first grade NRL player, but still there possibly impacting his performance.
Sivo has simply become gun shy when running the ball back. Personally I reckon that has something to do with the fact he has previously hurt people in attack (and in defence) and that doesn't necessarily sit well with him and with the Fijian culture of being pretty laidback and relaxed. Will he get over it, maybe but he might not either.

Of course I could be just talking shit, but that would just put me in with the majority of armchair coaches that are post here.

 

[Delboy]

Oops

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think both Lane and Silvo's form is a result of some mental challenges they havent been able to overcome.
For Lane, breaking a jaw is a big mental hurdle to get over and to follow it up with another injury just 2 or 3 weeks after coming back has to play on your mind and introduce a level of cautiousness... not something you want as a first grade NRL player, but still there possibly impacting his performance.
Sivo has simply become gun shy when running the ball back. Personally I reckon that has something to do with the fact he has previously hurt people in attack (and in defence) and that doesn't necessarily sit well with him and with the Fijian culture of being pretty laidback and relaxed. Will he get over it, maybe but he might not either.

Of course I could be just talking shit, but that would just put me in with the majority of armchair coaches that are post here.

We are experts ffs

 

[hindy111]

What are his stats for just the games he got decent minutes?
He got bugger all minutes many games earlier this year. So a per game stat is totally misleading.

He is more around your 35 tackles a game hooker not 50. But the thing was against NZ he saved a try with a great tackle, forced a line drop out with a great tackle and forced an error with a bone rattler.
I'd take 35 tackles with those over 50 with no big moments.

 

[King-Gutho94]

What are his stats for just the games he got decent minutes?
He got bugger all minutes many games earlier this year. So a per game stat is totally misleading.

Those 3 mins he played against Penrith was tactical genius from BA.

Like Simmonson was knocked out after 90 seconds let's play with 15 against the 3 x premiers.

 

[Gronk]

Joe was cleared. No squirrel grip. f**k you Josh, grub.

Match review releases findings after ‘grub’ act sparks NRL storm

‘Joe doing what he does best.’

7news.com.au

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'd take 35 tackles with those over 50 with no big moments.

It depends what the rest of your middle defenders are like.

 

[Gronk]

This joint is a ghost town after a win.

 

[TheParraboy]

This joint is a ghost town after a win.

Let’s make game day threads great again

Penrith 60+ on Friday night

 

[Noise]

Our win against the Sharks had something like 690 posts. This thread has 213 so far. Def a ghost town this week. Strange….

 

[Gronk]

If @Poupou Escobar gave a shit, he would analyse this phenomenon. In his absence, I asked AI to have a go.

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To identify trends in the given data, let's break down and analyze the relationship between the number of posts, the outcome of the game (win or loss), and the scores.

Here is the data in tabular format for clarity:

Opponent	Posts	Outcome	Score
Dogs	404	W	26-8
Penrith	628	L	18-26
Manly	593	W	28-24
Tigers	892	L	16-17
Raiders	1113	L	8-41
Cows	489	W	27-10
Fins	931	L	16-44
Manly	907	L	18-32
Broncos	886	L	14-30
Storm	792	L	16-48
Souths	464	L	26-42
Sharks	689	W	34-22
Dogs	672	L	18-22
Roosters	457	L	18-28
Knights	656	L	26-34
Souths	548	L	16-32
Tits	400	L	16-24
Storm	379	L	14-32
Warriors	212	W	30-20

Observations:​

1. Number of Posts vs. Outcome:
   • Wins: 4 games (Dogs, Manly, Cows, Sharks, Warriors)
     • Average posts for wins: (404 + 593 + 489 + 689 + 212) / 5 = 477.4 posts
   • Losses: 14 games
     • Average posts for losses: (628 + 892 + 1113 + 931 + 907 + 886 + 792 + 464 + 672 + 457 + 656 + 548 + 400 + 379) / 14 = 675.4 posts
   • There are generally more posts during losses than wins.
2. Score vs. Number of Posts:
   • Close games (difference of 10 points or less): Higher number of posts
     • Examples: Tigers (892), Sharks (689), Dogs (672), Knights (656), Roosters (457)
   • Blowout losses: Very high number of posts
     • Examples: Raiders (1113), Fins (931), Storm (792)
3. Opponent Analysis:
   • Matches against stronger teams or rivals generally have more posts.
     • Examples: Raiders (1113), Fins (931), Broncos (886), Storm (792), Souths (548)

Trends Identified:​

1. Higher Engagement in Losses: Fans tend to post more when the team loses, especially in blowout losses or close games.
2. Close Games Increase Posts: Close games, regardless of outcome, generate more fan engagement.
3. Stronger Opponents/Rivals: Games against stronger opponents or traditional rivals tend to have higher engagement.

These trends suggest that fans are more vocal and engaged during losses and close games, particularly against strong opponents or rivals.

 

[Gronk]

FFS I picked up an error, AI !

 

[Gronk]

You're correct. There are indeed 5 wins. Let's correct the analysis:

Here is the data in tabular format again for clarity:

Opponent	Posts	Outcome	Score
Dogs	404	W	26-8
Penrith	628	L	18-26
Manly	593	W	28-24
Tigers	892	L	16-17
Raiders	1113	L	8-41
Cows	489	W	27-10
Fins	931	L	16-44
Manly	907	L	18-32
Broncos	886	L	14-30
Storm	792	L	16-48
Souths	464	L	26-42
Sharks	689	W	34-22
Dogs	672	L	18-22
Roosters	457	L	18-28
Knights	656	L	26-34
Souths	548	L	16-32
Tits	400	L	16-24
Storm	379	L	14-32
Warriors	212	W	30-20

Revised Analysis:​

1. Number of Posts vs. Outcome:
   • Wins: 5 games (Dogs, Manly, Cows, Sharks, Warriors)
     • Average posts for wins: (404 + 593 + 489 + 689 + 212) / 5 = 477.4 posts
   • Losses: 14 games
     • Average posts for losses: (628 + 892 + 1113 + 931 + 907 + 886 + 792 + 464 + 672 + 457 + 656 + 548 + 400 + 379) / 14 = 675.4 posts
     Fans generally post more during losses than wins.
2. Score vs. Number of Posts:
   • Close games (difference of 10 points or less): Higher number of posts
     • Examples: Tigers (892), Sharks (689), Dogs (672), Knights (656), Roosters (457)
   • Blowout losses: Very high number of posts
     • Examples: Raiders (1113), Fins (931), Storm (792)
3. Opponent Analysis:
   • Matches against stronger teams or rivals generally have more posts.
     • Examples: Raiders (1113), Fins (931), Broncos (886), Storm (792), Souths (548)

Revised Trends Identified:​

1. Higher Engagement in Losses: Fans tend to post more when the team loses, especially in blowout losses or close games.
2. Close Games Increase Posts: Close games, regardless of outcome, generate more fan engagement.
3. Stronger Opponents/Rivals: Games against stronger opponents or traditional rivals tend to have higher engagement.

These trends suggest that fans are more vocal and engaged during losses and close games, particularly against strong opponents or rivals.

 

[Gronk]

The trends after a win suggest the following:

1. Lower Fan Engagement:
   • The average number of posts after a win is lower compared to losses. This could indicate that fans are more content and less compelled to discuss or vent about the game.
2. Satisfaction Leading to Fewer Posts:
   • Wins may lead to fewer posts because fans are satisfied with the outcome and have less need to express frustration or analyze what went wrong.
3. Less Urgency to Discuss:
   • The urgency to discuss the game, whether to critique or commiserate, seems lower after wins. This is reflected in the fewer number of posts.

Post-Win Engagement Breakdown:​

• Vs Dogs (W, 404 posts): Lower engagement despite the win, likely due to the clear victory.
• Vs Manly (W, 593 posts): Moderate engagement, closer game might have generated more discussion.
• Vs Cows (W, 489 posts): Lower engagement, comfortable win leading to fewer posts.
• Vs Sharks (W, 689 posts): Higher engagement, possibly because of the high-scoring nature of the game.
• Vs Warriors (W, 212 posts): Lowest engagement, possibly due to the end of the season or lack of interest in the opponent.

Comparison:​

• Average Posts in Wins: 477.4
• Average Posts in Losses: 675.4

Summary:​

The trend suggests that after a win, there is generally lower fan engagement in the game day thread. Fans appear to be less motivated to discuss the game in detail, possibly due to the satisfaction of a positive outcome. In contrast, losses, particularly close or significant defeats, drive higher engagement as fans discuss the game more intensely.

 

[Gronk]

The coach was sacked after the first game vs Storm. What can you ascertain from this ?

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Given that the coach was sacked after the first game vs Storm, we can make several observations and inferences from the data:

1. Performance Before Sacking:
   • The team had played 8 games before the sacking, with a record of 3 wins and 5 losses.
   • Wins: Vs Dogs (404 posts), Vs Manly (593 posts), Vs Cows (489 posts)
   • Losses: Vs Penrith (628 posts), Vs Tigers (892 posts), Vs Raiders (1113 posts), Vs Fins (931 posts), Vs Storm (792 posts)
2. Fan Engagement Before Sacking:
   • The average number of posts for games before the sacking was quite high, especially in losses.
   • High post counts in losses against Raiders (1113), Fins (931), and Tigers (892) suggest significant fan frustration.
3. Impact of Sacking on Engagement and Performance:
   • After the sacking, the number of posts varies, but generally, there seems to be continued high engagement, especially in losses.
   • The team’s performance did not improve significantly after the sacking, with several losses and high post counts continuing:
     • Losses: Vs Broncos (886 posts), Vs Storm (792 posts), Vs Souths (464 posts), Vs Dogs (672 posts), Vs Roosters (457 posts), Vs Knights (656 posts), Vs Souths (548 posts), Vs Tits (400 posts), Vs Storm (379 posts)
     • Wins: Vs Sharks (689 posts), Vs Warriors (212 posts)

Analysis:​

1. High Fan Engagement During Losses:
   • The high number of posts in the game day threads, particularly in losses, indicates strong fan involvement and possibly dissatisfaction with the team's performance.
   • Examples: Raiders (1113), Fins (931), Broncos (886), Manly (907)
2. Impact of Sacking:
   • The sacking of the coach after the first game against Storm likely reflects the management’s response to fan dissatisfaction and poor team performance.
   • The continued high engagement in losses post-sacking suggests that fans remained highly engaged and perhaps critical of the team’s performance even with a new coach.
   • The lower number of posts in some wins (e.g., Vs Warriors with 212 posts) might indicate temporary relief but not sustained satisfaction.
3. Performance Issues:
   • The team's record did not significantly improve after the coaching change, indicating that issues may have extended beyond coaching.
   • Continued losses with substantial margins (e.g., Vs Fins 16-44, Vs Storm 16-48, Vs Souths 26-42) suggest deeper performance issues.

Conclusion:​

The sacking of the coach was likely an attempt to address fan dissatisfaction and poor performance, but the data suggests that this change did not lead to significant improvement in either fan sentiment or team results. High engagement in the form of posts during losses continued, indicating ongoing issues within the team that a coaching change alone could not resolve. The fan base remained active and vocal, particularly in response to losses and poor performances, both before and after the sacking.

 

[Twizzle]

we've always been like this since day 1 and the Brian Smith days, people want to vent and whinge about scapegoats when we lose

its how we roll

 

[hybrideel]

So after a cancelled flight last night I finally managed to get back home. I recommend anyone who can, go to a game at Mt Smart. After the total shitshow all round that Darwin was in every way, That was an enjoyable experience. Great atmosphere, friendly crowd, decent prices food and choices. Only negatives I can say is we left straight after the game as it seems the players hung around for a fair while after for photos and giving away their kit. And I didn't see Tiffany Salmond.
Blaize had a huge family group there watching him, with t-shirts made up and signs etc

On a side note, I couldn't get away from MON.
He was on my Air New Zealand flight with his family, while the players went on a different flight. Then saw him at the car rental pickup place and then again 3 days later at Rotorua.