Game of Thrones II

[saint.nick]

But yeah, I don't think we're gonna see Stoneheart, Benny.

 

[nick87]

Wasn't wild about that Ep at all
Was the weakest of the series so far... Absolutely no satisfaction in the Arya - Whaif scene and I absolutely hated the Blackfish ending. Unless there is more to that then we know, seems like the entire seige and blackfish story line was a total waste of time. Why bring back a dick swinging boss just to kill him off so meekly?
And I feel like 30-40 minutes of screen time happened at Riverrun and I can't figured out to what end? Which probably suggests there is more to this than we know but that was a very unsatisfying plot.

Next week looks off the god damn charts though

 

[Apey]

So.... was the entire Arya storyline these past few seasons a complete waste of time or what? Maybe Jaqen H'ghar's smile at the end was meant to suggest this was his plan for Arya all along, yet it seems like he gets nothing out of it. I found the Arya scenes to be quite the let down, but maybe that was me buying into the theory hype; instead it turned out to be the most boring (and even nonsensical, such thick plot armour) outcome. Arya is a dumb wolverine, apparently.

Not a huge fan of how the Riverrun siege ended either and with no LSH reveal I have to wonder what the point of all the references to Cat was or what purpose Brienne really served being there.

Cleganebowl seemed to get royally shit on too :lol: not a good episode for the hypetrain passengers.

I do like the idea of the Hound joining the Brotherhood though. Looking forward to what happens there.

 

[nick87]

Yeah the Hound with the Brotherhood is an interesting little bit, but yeah you feel like Riverrun and Arya stuff this week has all been for nothing.

I think the show is leaving a LOT of meat on the bone here, think the books will be much better

 

[Apey]

Well they are getting thinner on source material... have to agree with the sentiment expressed elsewhere that Tyrion has seriously gone downhill pretty much since he got to Meereen. They're struggling to make him relevant; those scenes are getting worse and worse, hopefully they're over now.

And now, for what many of us were thinking...

 

[DiegoNT]

The thing that annoyed me the most about the waif, is that the faceless men are supposed to be the world's best assasins, experts at sneaking in and making deaths look like accidents, being undetected, Masters of disguise and stealth, yet the waif chases arya throughout bravos, knocking bystanders over and drawing a lot of attention to herself.

Any scene with tyrion, missandie and grey worm is just horrible.

The moment Cersei realises that she can't use the mountain in a trial by combat was priceless. More scenes between her and kevan lannister (and olenna tyrell) would be awesome.

 

[Apey]

aka the Terminator

 

[Timbo]

I feel like that episode was 'shit is going to get real next week, so here's an episode' episode.

I was so annoyed by both the fact that the Blackfish has been built up as a badass for four seasons, and he gets a meek off-screen death and that Arya and the Waif had an unseen ending.

Next week looks badass though.

 

[hineyrulz]

Massive letdown IMO, fancy letting a total badass like the Blackfish go out in such a meek way. Riverrun felt like such a waste of time.

Not seeing the Waif get her just deserts was disappointing as well, no Lady Stoneheart after the teaser last week was also a letdown.

And they are struggling to make Tyrion revelant, the seen with Pod and Bronn was pretty bloody funny though.

 

[Misanthrope]

I must have missed all of this 'making the Blackfish a badass' that happened in the three seasons where we haven't seen him and barely heard about him.

 

[nick87]

Well he was one of Robb'e most trusted advisors, was a noted field general, he managed to escape the red wedding, the Boltons were VERY concern he had escaped, avoid capture for years/months (who knows anymore?!?), muster a small Tully force and then recapture Riverrun, which is said to be a hard castle to capture, hold it and provision it with enough supplies to handle a 2 year seige

It's fair say the show didn't really set him up to be a washed up hack and a push over. Which is what he was in the end. And to what end? Why bother bringing him back at all and going down this route? Just to get Jamie out of Kings Landing and some brief scenes with Brianne? I don't know what story line that was advancing, as best I can tell it was a waste of time

If it was to introduce LSH, or get the Blackfish in captivity or on a boat bound for the Stark army, then I get it, but bringing him back to kill him off like this seems a very odd thing

 

[hineyrulz]

Well he was one of Robb'e most trusted advisors, was a noted field general, he managed to escape the red wedding, the Boltons were VERY concern he had escaped, avoid capture for years/months (who knows anymore?!?), muster a small Tully force and then recapture Riverrun, which is said to be a hard castle to capture, hold it and provision it with enough supplies to handle a 2 year seige

It's fair say the show didn't really set him up to be a total push over. Which is what he was in the end.

Agree with all of this, they built him up only to go out with a whimper.

 

[saint.nick]

Well he was one of Robb'e most trusted advisors, was a noted field general, he managed to escape the red wedding, the Boltons were VERY concern he had escaped, avoid capture for years/months (who knows anymore?!?), muster a small Tully force and then recapture Riverrun, which is said to be a hard castle to capture, hold it and provision it with enough supplies to handle a 2 year seige

It's fair say the show didn't really set him up to be a total push over. Which is what he was in the end.

He wasn't shown as a pushover, he really had no choice other than to open the gate if his men were going to listen to Edmure and not him. But I would have preferred that he escape, like in the books.

We didn't need to see Arya kill the Waif - you wouldn't have seen it anyway because it was in f**king pitch black. As I predicted weeks ago, she would use her experience as a blind girl to her advantage and kill the Waif that way. It gave some purpose to her blind training.

Just because she didn't become a faceless man and left the organisation, that doesn't mean the whole plot arc in braavos was for nothing. She went there, greatly improved as a fighter/survivor, and will now go back to Westeros with a brand new tool box.

My criticism is I wish we saw more of some fighting in Mereen and less attempts at stand-up with Tyrion, Missandei and Grey Worm.

 

[Timbo]

I'm wondering how much of it may have been a budgetary thing.

The trailer for next week looks absolutely f**king dope, on par with Hardhome. Maybe they were saving their pennies for that hence the relative lack of action in today's episode.

 

[nick87]

He wasn't shown as a pushover, he really had no choice other than to open the gate if his men were going to listen to Edmure and not him. But I would have preferred that he escape, like in the books.

I just think if you're going to kill of a guy who's got his reputation, do it like they did with Barriston. Give us a minute of him marching up the stairs slaying Lannister's until the numbers over come him.

Or have him jump the boat and go and command the Stark Armies. I thought it came across really weak. And not befitting of how they presented the character.

 

[Game_Breaker]

It was an anti-climatic episode, but I do have high hopes for the last 2

 

[sandshark]

yeah this episode lacked what the rest of the season had. but I guess we are going to get two awesome episodes to round out the season..
loved the clegane stuff.. makes me wonder if they will actually bring LSH into the fray..
I just thought they would skip that story arc just like dorne but there must be something coming..

I have a feeling that the giant (wun-wun) is going to die next episode and the death will be piss-weak..
Knights of the Vale/Brotherhood without banners to save the day next week? Seems like it will happen ala Lord Of The Rings (Helms-Deep) style.

We are almost finished this season guys... so quickly.

 

[Parra]

aka the Terminator

Exactly. Call it homage I suppose.

Wish Martin could get cracking with the writing. Story has gone to shit since it has gone further than what he has written. Characters have no dimension or worse, no purpose.

 

[duck]

Great episode

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

First episode I was genuinely disappointed with

Blackfish- I hope there is more to come with this. I really hope he still alive and this is a swerve. If he is dead, that would feel flat. We spend so many seasons wondering about him, bring him back and he is as stubborn as a mule and ready to fight only to be dismissed off-screen? I was hoping Brienne would have told him that he could fight for his family and not run away with them if he joins the Stark army.

Edmure - Am I the only one who is genuinely confused here? We have a scene where he is tied to a post and Jamie is saying he doesn't value his life and the only thing he values is Cersei etc, then Edmure enforces the Tully army to stand down? One would have thought after being captive by the Freys for so long and then basically being told he has no respect by his current captors that honor would take over instead of handing Riverun over? Did he do this for his life? Is there more to it? Surely!

Hound - Best part of the episode for me. "*** YOU!" "Are those your last words? You really don't know how to die" "merkin!"

Tyrion - I echo the thoughts the others, doesn't help there hasn't been too much to do in Mereen for him. I think he was so effective in earlier seasons because he had constant battles to deal with - Cersei, Tywin, Shae, Sansa, Catlynn all kept him occupied. I also thought it was extremely predictable that Daeneryss was the one to come through the door. Was either going to be her or Mormont and even that would have strange time for him to show up.

Arya/Waif/Sexy Jesus - I'm just glad Arya is finally Arya again and is going home. Thought it was quite strange the ending though. Jaqin instructs Waif to kill Arya, Arya doesn't want to get revenge on him, just walks out......If someone tried to kill me like that, I'd want the person responsible dealt with! Looking back at this storyline, I don't really get the point of it? Other than to think Arya is a young character and after losing her parents she just chose what she wanted to do really.

So, looking back on epsiode, the more advancing story lines didn't feel right
Riverrun - Blackfish comes back after seasons of dissappearance to supposedly die off-screen instead of going with Brienne and Pod. Edmure hands Riverrun over and for what?

Arya going home....what was the whole point?

Dragon lady back at Mereen, woohoo!

Varyss going back to Westeros could be a bigger deal that we expect.

No trial by combat for Cersei and Lancel either.