Game of Thrones II

[Mr Angry]

You are shit at dying....lol

 

[Someone]

so does any think varys is upto something or its just a coincidence when he showed up and left meereen? just some internet chatter about his timing over the last 2 seasons. hes never meet dany, left just before the slavers attacked etc.

 

[saint.nick]

he's always been up to something. that scene with illyrio under the red keep has meaning.

 

[Aragorn]

so does any think varys is upto something or its just a coincidence when he showed up and left meereen? just some internet chatter about his timing over the last 2 seasons. hes never meet dany, left just before the slavers attacked etc.

You could fantasize that he is head of the Masters, but I reckon the writers were simply thinking he's be an unnecessary extra when Dany returned. So better to have him ship off early, and they needed to do it before the masters attacked otherwise they'd be no way he could leave Meereen.

Alternatively you could believe his little birds told him an attack was imminent. That's why he left. That works. Not telling the others because he didn't think it mattered whether they knew or not, and he felt no compelling loyalty to tell them anyway makes sense as well....

whatever rocks your boat. let your imagination run wild.

its all made up shit anyway.

 

[Aragorn]

Like any good critic, I had a second viewing last night of episode 8.

+ The Hound going Terminator with the axe
+ Mountain opening the guys head like it was a can of coke

- Lord of light militants denying the hound full revenge on the three musketeers. Hanging is too easy a way out.
- Mountain only opening one can of coke and not six. Seeing Lancels head ripped open would have had me clapping for more.
- The battle at Riverrun - or lack of
- Blackfish's death - or lack of
- The Waif v Arya combat - or lack of
- Arya killing sexy Jesus - or lack of
- Dragon Queen returning to Mereen riding on top of Drago with 10,0000 Dothraki following her - or lack of

The potential this episode had to be truely epic was off the charts - instead they wasted time with pointless dialogue between Tyrion and his incomplete jokes, Arya and the gypsy queen, and the Hound pissing in the lake.

I would probably boil it down to the ultimate flaw with any TV series. Limited time & budget. Although one could argue with 10 hours of viewing spanning a whole season, there's plenty of time to have those missing scenes captured on TV than say if it was a 2 hr movie.... which brings me to my last point - I hope someone at Warner Bros is thinking movie trilogy Lord of the Rings style. It would be a huge box office hit ... Peter Jackson to direct.

Moving onto to bastard bowl on Monday. The question on my mind is who survives the episode ? Ramsay is a goner. That's a give me. I reckon Rickton Stark is a give me as well. He will be the first to go. Maybe hung on the cross at the start? Can't see any point him surviving. Then it becomes a question of which character is needed for season 10. I think they need Tormund around to lead the wildlings so he'll live. Then it becomes a toss up between sexy red priestess and ser Davos. I think both have sort of played out their usage. I expect little finger returning to the fray with the Knights of vale to come in and save the day when all is lost, and if that happens, then I think you kill off Ser Darvos. You don't need two advisors telling Sansa and Jon what to do. I reckon red priestess is a goner too. Hope we get one last flash of boobs before she goes.

 

[Timbo]

I see they've submitted episode 9 for consideration for best writing at the Emmys, and episode 10 for consideration for cinematography.

There have also been a few leaks suggesting the battle scenes next week will make Hardhome look small in comparison.

I am so bloody excited about these two episodes, I hope I haven't oversold them to myself.

 

[BennyV]

There have also been a few leaks suggesting the battle scenes next week will make Hardhome look small in comparison.

I am so bloody excited about these two episodes, I hope I haven't oversold them to myself.

Yeah, heard the same about next weeks battle scenes. Really pumped.

Moving onto to bastard bowl on Monday. The question on my mind is who survives the episode ? Ramsay is a goner. That's a give me. I reckon Rickton Stark is a give me as well. He will be the first to go. Maybe hung on the cross at the start? Can't see any point him surviving. Then it becomes a question of which character is needed for season 10. I think they need Tormund around to lead the wildlings so he'll live. Then it becomes a toss up between sexy red priestess and ser Davos. I think both have sort of played out their usage. I expect little finger returning to the fray with the Knights of vale to come in and save the day when all is lost, and if that happens, then I think you kill off Ser Darvos. You don't need two advisors telling Sansa and Jon what to do. I reckon red priestess is a goner too. Hope we get one last flash of boobs before she goes.

I don't think it's a given that Ramsay dies. Loses, yeah - they simply can't kill off John Snow again, and it's obvious that the Knights of the Vale will rock up, but knowing Ramsay there's a chance he slinks away or shacks up somewhere with a hostage or something.

I also don't see sexy red lady dying either. Ser Davos, maybe. I would say there will be a big surprise death, like Sansa (I hope not) but given how this season is panning out, this episode could be completely predictable (which, ironically, is otherwise hard to see happening!)

 

[Aragorn]

Yeah, heard the same about next weeks battle scenes. Really pumped.



I don't think it's a given that Ramsay dies. Loses, yeah - they simply can't kill off John Snow again, and it's obvious that the Knights of the Vale will rock up, but knowing Ramsay there's a chance he slinks away or shacks up somewhere with a hostage or something.

I also don't see sexy red lady dying either. Ser Davos, maybe. I would say there will be a big surprise death, like Sansa (I hope not) but given how this season is panning out, this episode could be completely predictable (which, ironically, is otherwise hard to see happening!)

I'd be disappointed if the writers let him cheat death on such a glorious stage. Him snaking off would not go down well. His head needs to be hanging from a spike at the end of it all. As for Sansa dying, that would be quite a twist. I didn't think about that. To keep with tradition, they need to start eliminating some of these key characters and maybe a Sansa death is on the cards. I think sexy red can go though. Replace her with the younger sexy red in Merreen. I'd like to see more of her.

 

[saint.nick]

Sansa will not die.

I think Davos will survive the entire series.

 

[BennyV]

Sansa will not die.

I think Davos will survive the entire series.

When I started reading A Game of Thrones, I thought Ned Stark would not die.

Further into the series, I would never have believed that Robb or Catelyn would have died.

When I realised that this was a twisted series, I would not have guessed that Tywin Lannister would die (Joffrey was sort of obvious).

Even watching the show, I would not have imagined they'd kill Myrcella or Shereen.

I'm not saying Sansa dying will happen or it wouldn't be devestating, but it's possible...

 

[Timbo]

I think Ramsay simply has to die at this point for the plot to move forward.

Lets break the main characters into three groups - Good, bad and grey (ie - could either end up being a hero or a villain at this point).

Good:

-Jon Snow
-Sansa Stark
-Brann Stark
-Brienne of Tarth
-Arya Stark
-Samwell Tarly
-Davos Seaworth

Grey:

-Tyrion Lannister
-Daenerys Targaryen
-Theon Greyjoy
-Yara Greyjoy
-Jaime Lannister
-Margaery Tyrell
-Tommen Baratheon
-Sandor Clegane
-Bronn
-Melisandre
-Jorah Mormont

Bad:

-Cersei Lannister
-Ramsay Bolton
-The High Sparrow
-The Night King
-Euron Greyjoy
-Littlefinger


Ok, so the show is clearly moving towards two things - Daenerys crossing The Narrow Sea and the White Walkers invading from the north.

If we look, all of the 'good' characters are more or less on the same side, and have either come together or are in the process of trying to do so (both Arya and Brann are trying to get back to Jon/Winterfell as of the most recent episode).

However, almost ALL of the bad/grey characters still have different motivations. In this show, that is not necessarily a bad thing however with next season only seven episodes long, and the following season rumored to be not only only six episodes long but to potentially be the final season, that leaves with only fifteen hours of television left.

How much more time can they devote to Ramsay running around flaying people in the north if all of those other much more significant plot lines have to come to a head over the final 15 hours? AND given he's gained the allegiance of several northern houses, if he is at large then Winterfell can't be the fortress we know it will have to be against the White Walkers?

TL;DR - They have to kill Ramsay because they're running out of screen time and have to focus on other things.

And, oh, I think Rickon is proper f**ked this week!

 

[Aragorn]

You left out the girls from Dorne. Where to for them?

And Vary's also. And Frey. He needs to get his.

There's also those travelling hill bullies the hound is with currently. Where are they going with bringing them back?

Far too many characters to follow. They need to cut the quota unless they intend to converge them all to fight the undead.

 

[Timbo]

You left out the girls from Dorne. Where to for them?

And Vary's also. And Frey. He needs to get his.

There's also those travelling hill bullies the hound is with currently. Where are they going with bringing them back?

Far too many characters to follow. They need to cut the quota unless they intend to converge them all to fight the undead.

See, I thought I was thorough and left out a bunch.

He simply has to die because there are too many antagonists and not enough time.

 

[perverse]

Yes, I see bad things in Ramseys and Rickons immediate futures. There needs to be some high profile bloodshed to finish out the season.

 

[CGD]

I have a lot of faith in Game of Thrones doing epic scenes, but I think Hardhome will be hard to beat as far as drama. The Night King staring down Jon Snow and then raising the dead was just beyond awesome TV.

Hopefully I eat my words but it's no shame to come in behind Hardhome.

 

[hineyrulz]

I can see history repeating and the Kingslayer doing the same to his sister.

 

[Timbo]

I can see history repeating and the Kingslayer doing the same to his sister.

Agree. The million dollar question is - does he kill himself afterwards?

 

[Aragorn]

I can see history repeating and the Kingslayer doing the same to his sister.

what would be the logic behind doing that?

why would he kill the only one person that he truely loves?

 

[Timbo]

what would be the logic behind doing that?

why would he kill the only one person that he truely loves?

He never wanted to kill the previous King, he only did it because he went mad and tried to burn the city to the ground.

If Cersei has found caches of wildfire and is burning the city down in a fit of madness, he may repeat his earlier actions - especially if one of the casualties is their only remaining child.

 

[Mr Angry]

As long as Ramsey's death is slow and very painful.