Game of Thrones II

[hineyrulz]

Best to assume the show just skipped all the travel time. No point showing Jon on a dingy or Jamie on horseback for half an episode

Only 4 episodes left of this season and 6 for next season, so 10 episodes left for the whole series, they need to cover a lot of ground

Yep, with so few episodes left they have to cut out a lot of traveling for the characters.

I'd rather action set pieces then watch John on a horse, then on a sailing boat and then coming in on a dingy.

 

[hineyrulz]

Ayra will kill LF, nothing surer.

Sansa has become a massive player in the game and she is a wake up to LF shit.

I wouldn't be surprised if she wins the whole thing.

 

[Danish]

Couldn't a lot of the travel time stuff be solved by not assuming that each scene being shown in an episode are happening at the same time as each other, and in fact could be weeks or months separated?

We know the rough chronological order, but we don't really ever know how much time separates each scene.

Just because they showed the unsullied fleet being destroyed at Casterly Rock immediately followed by Jamie marching on High Garden, doesn't mean those things happened at the same time. They certainly didn't have to by any means. There could have been weeks between the 2 without any negative effect

 

[Danish]

Ayra will kill LF, nothing surer.

Sansa has become a massive player in the game and she is a wake up to LF shit.

I wouldn't be surprised if she wins the whole thing.

Arya should kill little finger while wearing Catelyn's face, just for extra savage points

 

[hineyrulz]

Arya should kill little finger while wearing Catelyn's face, just for extra savage points

It would be the ultimate 100 point kill.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Yeah I'm not sure why time lapse is an issue. It's Game of Thrones, not 24.

It isn't taking place in real time.

 

[Shorty]

I don't really understand the time criticism, I think people are thinking waaay too much with that.
It hadn't even occurred to me until pointed out.

There's obviously a reason why Tyrion was made to look stupid and for Dany to be up sh*ts creek.
Tyrion to me looked too intent on Casterly Rock....almost selfish, not 100% completely thinking of Dany and the rest only his revenge.
So these things had to happen for characters to develop.

 

[Tommy Smith]

I don't really understand the time criticism, I think people are thinking waaay too much with that.
It hadn't even occurred to me until pointed out.

There's obviously a reason why Tyrion was made to look stupid and for Dany to be up sh*ts creek.
Tyrion to me looked too intent on Casterly Rock....almost selfish, not 100% completely thinking of Dany and the rest only his revenge.
So these things had to happen for characters to develop.

There's that and also the fact that Tyrion is not a seasoned military adviser.

People make mistakes. And Tyrion made a big one.

It's not unrealistic for people to make strategic blunders. Hitler made about 1000 in WWII.

Basically the story so far is Tyrion - an amateur at military strategy despite how clever he is - getting completely outfoxed by his brother who is one of the great military minds in Westeros.

Hence why Dany could desperately do with Ser Friendzone and Dario back by her side.

 

[Parra]

A very poorly written show at this point. The drop in quality after season 4 is very noticeable

Yep. Pretty clear that they know the plot outline but have run right out of material.

It is basic creative writing that is lacking - "Show,, don't tell"

Instead we have scene after scene of wooden actors standing in a semi circle, rooted to the spot, delivering monologues that explain what should be being shown. And they all wait until the actor next to them has finished before delivering their spiel. Where is the direction?

It's like watching a play written and performed by kids in year 8.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Wooden acting?

Emilia Clarke is 'so so' but I've always believed that the fantastic portrayals of the main characters has been one of the shows great strengths.

I'll definitely miss Lady Olenna. Diana Rigg was amazing and she might have been the best female character in the show.

 

[Parra]

I'm not blaming the actors so much as the script and directing. It is like they have been told to stand totally still and deliver the lines. Hard not to be a statue when that is what you have to do.

I was hoping either Jon Snow, Tyrion or Danarys would accidentally fall into the sea. Can't do that if they aren't even moving.

 

[Valheru]

Couldn't a lot of the travel time stuff be solved by not assuming that each scene being shown in an episode are happening at the same time as each other, and in fact could be weeks or months separated?

We know the rough chronological order, but we don't really ever know how much time separates each scene.

Just because they showed the unsullied fleet being destroyed at Casterly Rock immediately followed by Jamie marching on High Garden, doesn't mean those things happened at the same time. They certainly didn't have to by any means. There could have been weeks between the 2 without any negative effect

Exactly this. People are too hung up on the time thing.

As an example, The stuff with Sansa at Winterfell this episode could have happened 2 weeks after Jon left whereas Jon's POV at Dragonstone could have been months after he left. Does it really matter?

 

[Parra]

It is getting lazy.

All the woman at dragonstone for their series of monologues for example.

This need to teleport and deliver a speech has replaced the role of the magic ravens in the books.

 

[t-ba]

I'm kind of disappointed that Olenna didn't mention that Tyrion had nothing to do with it just to twist the knife that little bit further tbh.

I don't want anybody to win. Unless the Iron Bank swoops in after the White Walkers are defeated and decides to restructure Westeros to be competitive in the modern market.

 

[Timbo]

I am legitimately beginning to think that Gendry's reappearance will be during the final episode and everyone else will be dead. Leaving him last one standing.

 

[Pete Cash]

It's not just the travel that is getting lazy. The plotting in general gets dumber by the week. I'm in this for the melodrama so I love euron running around like a big ham.

Like Danish theory is fine and dandy but there is still the issue of how did silence get to the rock at about the same time the unsullied did. It wouldn't have been very hard to put in a scene where euron leaves a trusted captain at pyke and tells him to protect the rock. Then the viewer would be aware of the irony in tyrions plan. That he was sending dany into a trap.

Still the biggest lamest plothole is the dumbness of dany and co not taking KL straight away. She is in spitting distance. After cersei blew up the sept and the popular high sparrow the common folk might have literally opened the gate.

Clearly when they sat down to write this series they realised that snowflake was too powerful and a bunch of geniused shit would have to happen to drive her north presumably

 

[Caped Crusader]

It's not just the travel that is getting lazy. The plotting in general gets dumber by the week. I'm in this for the melodrama so I love euron running around like a big ham.

Like Danish theory is fine and dandy but there is still the issue of how did silence get to the rock at about the same time the unsullied did. It wouldn't have been very hard to put in a scene where euron leaves a trusted captain at pyke and tells him to protect the rock. Then the viewer would be aware of the irony in tyrions plan. That he was sending dany into a trap.

Still the biggest lamest plothole is the dumbness of dany and co not taking KL straight away. She is in spitting distance. After cersei blew up the sept and the popular high sparrow the common folk might have literally opened the gate.

Clearly when they sat down to write this series they realised that snowflake was too powerful and a bunch of geniused shit would have to happen to drive her north presumably

Would they? Why would they want another lunatic Targaryan back on the throne? The last one didnt turn out so well

For Dany to take KL quickly, shed need to either draw the defending army out or burn the place to the ground. Neither would be conducive to winning over the small folk. The only other option was to settle in for a very long seige.

She needed to remove the Lannister power base first but she was out manouvered

 

[elyod138]

I don't get the people saying this is the best show on TV and nothing comes close, a lot of other shows beat it by a huge margin IMO. GOT isn't in the same ballpark as the three seasons of Fargo.

Still, I'm enjoying it and don't think it's as bad as some on here are saying. I think this season is a big improvement on the last couple so far.

 

[Pete Cash]

Would they? Why would they want another lunatic Targaryan back on the throne? The last one didnt turn out so well

For Dany to take KL quickly, shed need to either draw the defending army out or burn the place to the ground. Neither would be conducive to winning over the small folk. The only other option was to settle in for a very long seige.

She needed to remove the Lannister power base first but she was out manouvered

She could literally send her dragons down the bay and destroy the entire navy. Stannis literally took KL even with his navy blown up and the lannisters were saved by the tyrells.

Why would anyone in their right mind be hanging around with cersei. She blew up her political enemies in a sacred building.

Even if she didn't want to put KL under siege which would force the lannister army to march on her opening up the castle to attack if she must take it. Why didn't she put up a navel blockade of backwater bay with her dragons in support ?? It's the first thing I would do and I'm a stupid genius not a genius like tyrion

She could have protected her allies from euron by doing so

Again I'm no genius but she has possibly the best weapon imaginable against wooden ships. Just put up a blockade woman.

 

[Parra]

This taking of castles in an afternoon is a big change.

Riverrun was held for 6 months or more - by a couple of blokes and lots of mouths to feed inside. It was held against a Lannister army and the siege ended by negotiation.

In contrast both Highgarden and Casterly Rock were taken seemingly easily.

With a Lannister army large enough to take Highgarden in an afternoon who is left to defend KL anyway?