Game thread v Souths 27/3/15

[strider]

no one hates pou :hg:

 

[forward pass]

Watching the game again today (3rd time!) I can't get enough of the first Robinson try. That play from one side to the other was perfectly executed, good hands, excellent decoy runners and beautifully finished. One of the best set plays I have ever seen us execute in years. Well done BA.

 

[Kornstar]

But he will get no criticism for it. If Hayne had missed those tackles, everyone in the media would be talking about his defence is not up there with Slater et al.

Seriously though, who cares what the f**king media say in these circumstances? Maybe the media just don't see everything through Jarryd-coloured glasses? Jarryd, Inglis, Slater et al. are/were all great players, and all different in style. If you ask a bunch of neutrals whether they noticed any excessive criticism of Jarryd's defense, I reckon you won't find any more ayes than you would with other star players.

Forget the media, it is our fans that would be whinging about it, the media just read the forum and general chatter and then report on it.

 

[eel01s]

It was beautiful, wasn't it? Probably the best executed set play we have seen from the Eels in a long, long time.

Fantastic games from Wicks, Gower, Lussick, Ma'u,Peats, De Gois, Sandow, Norman, and Robinson. Everyone else was good too.

Just wish we could be "up" like that every week!

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Can you only ever be wrong with predictions?

We are on the same points as last year at the same point, so how are you right so far?

Haters? How can anyone hate anyone they don't know? Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you.

I hope you are right, i want to more than anything for this club to be successful!

I hate loosing games all the time - can easily cope with some losses amongst lots of wins.
Happy to be well away from the 2011-2013 seasons - what a f**king nightmare those years were, especially with the last half of the Ricky Stuart era. :crazy::crazy:

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Watching the game again today (3rd time!) I can't get enough of the first Robinson try. That play from one side to the other was perfectly executed, good hands, excellent decoy runners and beautifully finished. One of the best set plays I have ever seen us execute in years. Well done BA.

That move really did my head in. Was wondering how far out of left field that came from. This was not the Parramatta Eels I'd come to know since 2011 onwards and with no Jarryd Hayne. I was completely blown away by that try. It had me wondering what kind of drugs our players were all on. As a team try, that was as good anything I've seen for thirty years.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

That move really did my head in. Was wondering how far out of left field that came from. This was not the Parramatta Eels I'd come to know since 2011 onwards and with no Jarryd Hayne. I was completely blown away by that try. It had me wondering what kind of drugs our players were all on. As a team try, that was as good anything I've seen for thirty years.

It really was like a training ground move against invisible opponents. You rarely see a traditional backline formation standing that deep, and everything playing out as smoothly as it did. I can't remember exactly what happened in the move now, but it reminded me of a play with the old 'inside' and 'outside' centres that we used to run.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

It really was like a training ground move against invisible opponents. You rarely see a traditional backline formation standing that deep, and everything playing out as smoothly as it did. I can't remember exactly what happened in the move now, but it reminded me of a play with the old 'inside' and 'outside' centres that we used to run.

Mate, you have forgotten Poo Poo is on here.
Comments like these are only going to encourage another f**king debate about the non-existence of inside and outside centres and that we all have to move on with the times.
Please, give me a break mate.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Agreed, about the training ground moves against invisible opponents. It was like the presence of God had come over the whole of the squad and every instant of that set leading to the try was perfection in motion. The cut out passes and decoys were breathtaking as was Robbo running around non-existent Soufs defenders. That backline movement was as deep as it can get. A reincarnation of the 80's. You wonder how big the smile Jack Gibson would have had watching that try.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

i reckon hayne was so naturally gifted that he did all he did without the need to go hard at training etc - so he probably came across to others as laid back and not as hard working .... so that may have rubbed off on other players and maybe they didn't push themselves as hard cos they saw that the best didn't need to so neither did they - plus i don't think hayne urged others on - he was more about his own game

but i think guys like watmough and foran do have to work hard and do urge others to do the same - so from a leadership perspective if people follow them then they work hard too

hayne was just being himself - he probably didn't even know he needed to get others to work harder - maybe he doesn't understand that it isn't as easy for others

just my 5 cents .... but hey, I'm not there so I don't really know

Agree 100%

You hear the cliche about how some of the greats make players around them better, and it's obviously true. But it never applied to Hayne. In fact there's evidence that he made the players around him worse.

 

[emjaycee]

I have this on auto-loop...

http://www.parraeels.com.au/news/2015/03/27/match_highlights_eel.html

 

[Kornstar]

Agree 100%

You hear the cliche about how some of the greats make players around them better, and it's obviously true. But it never applied to Hayne. In fact there's evidence that he made the players around him worse.

Wouldn't that then be up to the coach to manage the expectations of the other players? Why is he getting paid so much to be in a powerful position if it is Haynes job to pull the other players into line?

I've worked with people who were better than me and got away with shit purely because of how much of an asset they were to the company, I never cried like a bitch! I got myself to that position where I am now that person......

It's not Haynes fault that we sign soft merkins who are allowed to be mentally soft because of our poor culture from top to bottom.

Arthur seems to be turning it around better than his predecessors but you can see the lingering effect is still there, Hayne or no Hayne!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Can you only ever be wrong with predictions?

No you can only be proved wrong with them. Otherwise how right or wrong anyone is just comes down to opinion. You said you've never seen me admit I was wrong, but when have you ever admitted you were wrong? When does anybody? And if they did, who's to say their admission isn't wrong? It's all opinion mate.

We are on the same points as last year at the same point, so how are you right so far?

Because we've lost a huge amount of talent (Hayne) but have won just as many games. Plus we beat the defending premiers whereas last year the defending premiers smashed us by 50 points. In 2014 we were still quitters. We aren't so far in 2015, even though we have plenty of excuses.

Haters? How can anyone hate anyone they don't know?

Because they think they know you, or they hate what you represent. Look how much hate politicians get. Every merkin thinks they know them, and think they know their motivations.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you.

No, but if they look for every opportunity to disagree and tell you you're wrong, and then complain that you never admit when you're wrong (like it's some kind of competition), then they're probably haters.

Honestly, why would you single me out for never admitting I'm wrong? Nobody ever admits they're wrong on the internet, and why f**king should they? That's what haters are for.

I hope you are right, i want to more than anything for this club to be successful!

I don't really care to be honest. Knowing me, if we ever win another premiership I kind of feel like my work will be finished and I'll lose interest in rugby league.

 

[Kornstar]

No you can only be proved wrong with them. Otherwise how right or wrong anyone is just comes down to opinion. You said you've never seen me admit I was wrong, but when have you ever admitted you were wrong? When does anybody? And if they did, who's to say their admission isn't wrong? It's all opinion mate.

Because we've lost a huge amount of talent (Hayne) but have won just as many games. Plus we beat the defending premiers whereas last year the defending premiers smashed us by 50 points. In 2014 we were still quitters. We aren't so far in 2015, even though we have plenty of excuses.

Because they think they know you, or they hate what you represent. Look how much hate politicians get. Every merkin thinks they know them, and think they know their motivations.

No, but if they look for every opportunity to disagree and tell you you're wrong, and then complain that you never admit when you're wrong (like it's some kind of competition), then they're probably haters.

Honestly, why would you single me out for never admitting I'm wrong? Nobody ever admits they're wrong on the internet, and why f**king should they? That's what haters are for.

I don't really care to be honest. Knowing me, if we ever win another premiership I kind of feel like my work will be finished and I'll lose interest in rugby league.

I'm wrong all the time. I thought we would have a record score against us last night and posted it yesterday. Today I posted that being wrong never felt so good.

To be honest, you pretty much comment on every post someone makes, so it isn't like anyone is singling you out, the sheer number of posts you make and in retaliation to someones opinion is going to lead to differing of opinions.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Wouldn't that then be up to the coach to manage the expectations of the other players? Why is he getting paid so much to be in a powerful position if it is Haynes job to pull the other players into line?

I'm going by my experience in the army. Where even though the officers are talked up as the leaders in the organisation, in reality the leadership is provided by the NCOs. This is because they're the only ones able to actually set the example (which is true leadership) because they're 'in the trenches' with those being led. Think of it as the difference between leadership and management. Obviously there's always some overlap (the best managers are also leaders and vice versa) but the coach is far less able to lead by example because he's in a different job.

I've worked with people who were better than me and got away with shit purely because of how much of an asset they were to the company, I never cried like a bitch! I got myself to that position where I am now that person......

Well organisational behaviour is about lowest common denominators. The 'average Joe' (for that industry) is far more important than outliers - I never responded much differently to good leadership either but I knew it when I saw it and I respected it because I saw how most people improved under quality leadership.

It's not Haynes fault that we sign soft merkins who are allowed to be mentally soft because of our poor culture from top to bottom.

No I t's not Hayne's fault but someone as influential as him needs to be part of the solution. Otherwise he's part of the problem. Hayne needed to lead or follow. He was far too high profile to try and stay outside of that.

Arthur seems to be turning it around better than his predecessors but you can see the lingering effect is still there, Hayne or no Hayne!

Actually I haven't seen us give up this year. Last year we did it as early as round two and we were still doing it in round 25. Looks like things are different in 2015.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm wrong all the time. I thought we would have a record score against us last night and posted it yesterday. Today I posted that being wrong never felt so good.

To be honest, you pretty much comment on every post someone makes, so it isn't like anyone is singling you out, the sheer number of posts you make and in retaliation to someones opinion is going to lead to differing of opinions.

I also said I thought we'd get smashed, and I didn't admit this until after we'd won. So there you go.

 

[Kornstar]

I'm going by my experience in the army. Where even though the officers are talked up as the leaders in the organisation, in reality the leadership is provided by the NCOs. This is because they're the only ones able to actually set the example (which is true leadership) because they're 'in the trenches' with those being led. Think of it as the difference between leadership and management. Obviously there's always some overlap (the best managers are also leaders and vice versa) but the coach is far less able to lead by example because he's in a different job.

Well organisational behaviour is about lowest common denominators. The 'average Joe' (for that industry) is far more important than outliers - I never responded much differently to good leadership either but I knew it when I saw it and I respected it because I saw how most people improved under quality leadership.

No I t's not Hayne's fault but someone as influential as him needs to be part of the solution. Otherwise he's part of the problem. Hayne needed to lead or follow. He was far too high profile to try and stay outside of that.

Actually I haven't seen us give up this year. Last year we did it as early as round two and we were still doing it in round 25. Looks like things are different in 2015.

I also said I thought we'd get smashed, and I didn't admit this until after we'd won. So there you go.

You know what baffles the f**k out of me then? Why do clubs continually re-sign players like Hayne if as you say they are counter productive to success? I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong about it because you could easily provide evidence in support of it, but how can those in clubs not see it? They have a whole f**king team for this shit!

Oh, I think we gave up against the Dogs......but that is my opinion I guess.

You are right, I apologise you did say that after the game.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I don't think we gave up against the dogs, we just lacked the halves/leadership to control the game to suit us. We got two tries early in the second half then tried to play to fancy (especially in our own half) rather then keeping it simple - controlling the ball, completing sets and kicking it long. Hopefully this is what Foran will bring to the side

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Honestly I don't think other clubs try so hard to poach these kinds of players from their current club. Obviously if they're a massive talent then they will always add something on the field, and I guess the coach always thinks he can change the player's attitude off it. So there is always some demand, but rarely enough for the player to leave the club. Usually when they change clubs it's because they've been sacked for off field f**k ups, and so the gaining club gets them on the cheap.

Once Hayne found Jesus he was never going to f**k up on the piss, but early in his career you'll remember he was shot at up in the Cross. That doesn't happen to a bloke who isn't carrying on. Plus because of his playing talent and marketability Hayne was worth more to Parra than anyone else, and don't discount fan pressure. Elected boards desperate to stay in power didn't want to be the ones to let go of the club's most popular player, so they would always side with Hayne over any coach.

 

[yy_cheng]

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