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Gap emerging between 8th and 9th. Is the top 8 decided?

Walt Flanigan

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Look at the stats for how many teams making the finals with 14 points at this stage of the season. Very very very very few.

Pfft......we were on 14 points after Round 17 in 2010 and still finished 7th. Easy done.

Parra did it the year before too.
 

Walt Flanigan

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We were close to it in 2008 too. 14 points coming into Round 15.

The point is..........sh*t happens in this game. Teams go on big winning streaks and some go on big losing streaks. No way can you predict the 8 at this stage.
 

boxhead

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Wow, I didn't realize the top eight could be decided with half the season left. I didn't notice the multitude of teams on 14 points outside the eig....

Oh wait......
 

wibble

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We were close to it in 2008 too. 14 points coming into Round 15.

The point is..........sh*t happens in this game. Teams go on big winning streaks and some go on big losing streaks. No way can you predict the 8 at this stage.

Yes you were close, and yes you were one of the teams to have a good run. Eels did too in 2009, and again a few years before that.

Of course crazy sh*t happens, and nothing is certain in terms of results. Even Melbourne could miss the 8- they could possibly mathematically get the spoon still if every team turned their fortunes completely around.

Threads like this are to stimulate exactly the discussion that has happened, and for people to remind us of when teams did make runs, and to see if anyone can give a reason why they might still make a run to the 8. Predictions from week 2 or 3 are so rarely correct that they are not worth worrying about. Predictions from 11 weeks to go are often wrong, but we can see how hard it is from past seasons for teams to catch up.

But if you were asked to bet whether the top 8 would stay or change, what way would you bet, and why?

I would bet at this stage that it doesn't change, but still concede there is a good chance it will. The more changes you predict I'd say the more unlikely it is to happen.

If there is change, obviously with 18 points and pretty tough runs you'd think Tigers and Cowboys are two teams that might slip, but again, any team could fall.

Teams on 14 points, especially if in pretty good form (like the Titans) or with good seasons last year so theoretically still good teams (Warriors/Dragons) are the most likely to make the 8, but again, the Eels might win their next 11 and get into the 8 on 30 points.

The other point about this year is that it is a more split competition between a top and bottom half than in recent years, where the split has been a bit higher up, and this may make the top 8 cut off this year relatively high.

Another consideration is that teams going on big winning streaks to finish 5th to 8th in past years has given them great momentum to launch into the finals. This year, 5th to 8th look to be pretty equal positions, so scraping into 8th is not so bad (not playing the minor premiers) but scraping into 5th or 6th is probably a little worse (depending on the form of teams 7 and 8) as there is no 2nd chance and no way of skipping a week (not that 5 or 6 were ever the top 2 winners as far as I can recall in the McIntyre series).
 
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BranVan3000

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I actually see Cowboys dropping out of the 8 and Titans replacing them in 8th spot. Just based on the difficulty of the remaining draw. The Cowboys are one of my favourites to watch but they will derail around rd. 19 through 22 where they face Melbourne, Tigers, Manly, and Warriors away in consecutive weeks.
 

BranVan3000

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Knew I was missing one, was just going from memory. Those matches aren't in order either. But they do face all of those teams one after another. It will be very hard to maintain for Cowboys their place in the ladder
 

Timmah

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Will largely depend on Thurston's form and their ability to keep their squad stable. They don't seem to have as much depth as other clubs.
 

Cliffhanger

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I think the Titans will sneak into the eight. Their endurance needs work, but their defence has improved immensely, Prince is in the best form he's been in, in years. They have a solid forward pack. Their backs cop a lot of criticism but there's a lot of speed there and they're determined.

I wouldn't totally write off the Warriors, there's a lot of talent in that side.
 

Timmah

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I get the sinking feeling that this year, with everyone openly hoping Souths fall, that they'll stay in the eight.
 

Lambretta

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Meanwhile Roosters will be entrenched in a battle for the wooden spoon, again :lol:

The Roosters have won more games than four other teams and the same number of games as three others.

That's every team outside of the top 8 on the same or less wins than we've had and yet we're entrenched in a battle for the spoon again?


To answer BM's question - yes, I think the top 8 is fairly well decided - although the order is anything but. Yes, teams can go on runs or lose form etc, but the quality of the teams in the eight atm is better than those outside it from what we've seen this year.

The Titans and Dragons are most likely to go on a run, but can you honestly see Manly, the Cowboys or Tigers losing more than they win for the next 10 weeks? I can't. But I've been wrong before and that's what's so great about Rugby League!
 

BunniesMan

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FYI, I also think the order is far from decided.

From 2nd to 8th currently could finish anywhere within that.
 

AuDragon

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I think the Titans are on to something special, and will make the eight.

Out of their last 11 games, souffs still have to play Broncos away, Panthers home (without Origin players), Roosters away, Tigers home, Titans away, Manly home, Sharks away and Knights away on Old Boys day.
They could seriously lose all these games, but the Roosters and Panthers matches will probably be decisive for their future, as I can't see them winning any of the other mentioned. They should win their matches against Eels, Dragons (on current form) and Knights at home, but they are my pick to miss the final 8.
 

Timmah

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FYI, I also think the order is far from decided.

From 2nd to 8th currently could finish anywhere within that.

In other news, the sky is f**king blue...

Seriously - that's up there with the dumbest posts I've ever seen.
 

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