General #crisis thread - league in the media

[Shark62]

We'll get there mate - when we do expand it will be a success and not cost a fortune. What do AFL people say when things aren't they way they want them to be right now? We are playing the long game - lol

Perth and Brisbane 2 would be a nice start.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Perth and Brisbane 2 would be a nice start.

Yep and then Adelaide and NZ2 when the time is right and we have a nice spread. Then consolidate the second teir into a stand-alone professional, televised comp to give representation to other areas and / or build pathways (PNG, Fiji, Central Coast, NZ3, North Sydney Bears, Newtown plus the best clubs from the Q Cup).

 

[Shark62]

Yep and then Adelaide and NZ2 when the time is right and we have a nice spread. Then consolidate the second teir into a stand-alone professional, televised comp to give representation to other areas and / or build pathways (PNG, Fiji, Central Coast, NZ3, North Sydney Bears, Newtown plus the best clubs from the Q Cup).

Agreed. I hope this review by Greenberg moves this along quickly

 

[Perth Tiger]

It's actually funny because AFL, without an international game, could benefit from a series between the 8 states / territories so it gives them some sort of rep footy.

It blows my mind how overrated the AFL admin is by some - they really aren't that impressive:

• Sydney Swans: mediocre success helped along nicely by SuperLeague
• Greater Western Canberra: Massive fail
• Gold Coast: Massive fail
• Brisbane Lions: Massive fail once the AFL stopped rigging the salary cap so they could win artificial premierships
• Getting any sort of real rep footy calendar created despite being a ''national'' game: massive fail

Despite the millions poured down the drain since the 90's, the game is still only popular in Vic, WA & SA. You could probably add Tas and NT to that but they'll never get a team.

All the while RL have added / will add professional teams in New Zealand, PNG, Fiji (next year), France, Canada and USA (2021) plus have semi-pro teams playing the game in Wales. Plus have more room to expand the footprint of both the SL and NRL, plus have the options to do so because there are actually places that want a team in our competitions.

AFL has peaked and we will see the evidence of that over the coming two decades.

You didn't mention how for the majority of their existence they have only had to deal with a sycophantic media, and a business community (in the southern states at least) that fall over themselves in throwing money at sponsorship opportunities with no challenging code. They should be successful in those circumstances.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You didn't mention how for the majority of their existence they have only had to deal with a sycophantic media, and a business community (in the southern states at least) that fall over themselves in throwing money at sponsorship opportunities with no challenging code. They should be successful in those circumstances.

My bad - I certainly did leave that out.

 

[AJB1102]

AFL's best bit of luck was not being worth enough to have merkins fight so hard for it they nearly destroyed it.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

AFL's best bit of luck was not being worth enough to have merkins fight so hard for it they nearly destroyed it.

It has very limited appeal outside of four states in Australia (three of which are the lowest population states in the country).

 

[Disinterested third party]

54% RL. Still.

 

[Perth Red]

AFL's best bit of luck was not being worth enough to have merkins fight so hard for it they nearly destroyed it.

You’re kidding right? The difference was when News Ltd came knocking they didn’t slam the door in their faces but welcomed them in without giving up their independence. If only we were that smart!

Afl is playing the long game doing something, we’re playing the long game by doing nothing lol. If this review provides anything more than a bit of second tier expansion and more rhetoric about new audiences not needing clubs I’ll be astounded.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You’re kidding right? The difference was when News Ltd came knocking they didn’t slam the door in their faces but welcomed them in without giving up their independence. If only we were that smart!

Afl is playing the long game doing something, we’re playing the long game by doing nothing lol. If this review provides anything more than a bit of second tier expansion and more rhetoric about new audiences not needing clubs I’ll be astounded.

This long game that they are playing is soooo long that it will never actually come to fruition. The AFL has very smart administrators yes, they also seem to have been able to somewhat quell the infighting that RL is famous for, but at the end of the day the only growth outside of their heartlands is due to the SL gift that we gave them. They are a limited sport with limited growth prospects from here on in. They have peaked and we are only just starting to get our act together now.

 

[AJB1102]

Afl is playing the long game

hahaha righto and I'm a billionaire ... I don't have a billion dollars and at my current earning rate I won't make a billion dollars in a single human lifetime, but it's cool I'm playing the long game.

 

[Stallion]

AFL's best bit of luck was not being worth enough to have merkins fight so hard for it they nearly destroyed it.

Or perhaps looking at it from an even bigger picture!? A code (namely union) to continue the dominant repression and constrainment of rugby league in the most envied and popular rugby competition on Earth?

 

[flippikat]

It's perversely ironic that due to the sheer ineptitude & inertia of previous administrations, we have far more expansion options now than AFL do - and as a result, far more leverage when we go into the next round of negotiations.

That's gold when broadcasters are talking about tightening their purse-strings.

 

[Stallion]

It's perversely ironic that due to the sheer ineptitude & inertia of previous administrations, we have far more expansion options now than AFL do - and as a result, far more leverage when we go into the next round of negotiations.

That's gold when broadcasters are talking about tightening their purse-strings.

Yes. Agree. In stating that: the code has missed out on immense monies in past years along with the growth it should have had. It's like 'perhaps' collecting something that's long overdue. Even that is subject to the administration making genuine proactive strategic calls to actually grow the game without reducing its current support.

 

[Perth Red]

hahaha righto and I'm a billionaire ... I don't have a billion dollars and at my current earning rate I won't make a billion dollars in a single human lifetime, but it's cool I'm playing the long game.

If your long game had already got you to an annual revenue of $670mill then your long game would be seen as already reaping dividends and on track?

 

[taipan]

If your long game had already got you to an annual revenue of $670mill then your long game would be seen as already reaping dividends and on track?

Not if your next Tv deal dropped in value.The long game then becomes the not so long game.
Translated "In this uncertain world of economics ,stability in finance is not guaranteed long term."

 

[Perth Red]

Not if your next Tv deal dropped in value.The long game then becomes the not so long game.
Translated "In this uncertain world of economics ,stability in finance is not guaranteed long term."

That’s a very big IF with no historic evidence that it will be the case. They have also partially insulated themselves from this by setting up their grant structures to be responsive to each clubs needs rather than a blanket sink or swim nrl approach.
Consolidated the afl’s revenue is still $260mill a year more than nrl’s, their long game seems to be working out ok for them. We started our long game in ‘94, got screwed, lost the game plan and still waiting for someone to come up with another one.

 

[taipan]

That’s a very big IF with no historic evidence that it will be the case. They have also partially insulated themselves from this by setting up their grant structures to be responsive to each clubs needs rather than a blanket sink or swim nrl approach.
Consolidated the afl’s revenue is still $260mill a year more than nrl’s, their long game seems to be working out ok for them. We started our long game in ‘94, got screwed, lost the game plan and still waiting for someone to come up with another one.

You can't have historic evidence ,if the economy is only now starting to stagnate,and only now other technological forms of showing the game are starting to impact Plus Tv stations are acknowledging now not a few years ago, that these new forms are impacting ,plus the growth of social media.Why the hell does Fox state it is looking at sports which are at the low end of ratings.So the partly insulated comment appears to be crap.
You'd have to be bleeding naive to assume everything in the TV garden is lovely.

You obviously have not heard of the monies Fox here is having to get injected, to keep things moving.
You live in a bubble, there is a new economic reality on the horizon and it doesn't look pretty ,judging by economists within this country and overseas.

Retail is in recession ATM.That means long term, less advtg for that area.Bank margins will be droppings a result of low interest rates, less advtg. Subs for Pay Tv is not holding up and the growth has stagnated with no further growth of any consequence.
Matters not what the last TV deals were worth, and we know Rupert threw in an extra $500m to the fumblers.It's the next one and if we can maintain the same deal IMO judging by the economy we'll be doing OK.
If we believe we are going to get a 30-40% increase good luck.

 

[Perth Red]

You can't have historic evidence ,if the economy is only now starting to stagnate,and only now other technological forms of showing the game are starting to impact Plus Tv stations are acknowledging now not a few years ago, that these new forms are impacting ,plus the growth of social media.Why the hell does Fox state it is looking at sports which are at the low end of ratings.So the partly insulated comment appears to be crap.
You'd have to be bleeding naive to assume everything in the TV garden is lovely.

You obviously have not heard of the monies Fox here is having to get injected, to keep things moving.
You live in a bubble, there is a new economic reality on the horizon and it doesn't look pretty ,judging by economists within this country and overseas.

Retail is in recession ATM.That means long term, less advtg for that area.Bank margins will be droppings a result of low interest rates, less advtg. Subs for Pay Tv is not holding up and the growth has stagnated with no further growth of any consequence.
Matters not what the last TV deals were worth, and we know Rupert threw in an extra $500m to the fumblers.It's the next one and if we can maintain the same deal IMO judging by the economy we'll be doing OK.
If we believe we are going to get a 30-40% increase good luck.

Has there been any major sport anywhere in the world that has received a lessor media deal than the one before in the last three years? It’s a hypothetical with some anectdotal evidence but it remains a big IF when people are clutching at straws that somehow the afls extra content strategy is going to backfire on them.

Potentially in the future there will be more competition for sports rights with numerous streaming services looking for subscriber drivers than we currently have with the Foxtel monopoly on Paytv.

 

[taipan]

Has there been any major sport anywhere in the world that has received a lessor media deal than the one before in the last three years? It’s a hypothetical with some anectdotal evidence but it remains a big IF when people are clutching at straws that somehow the afls extra content strategy is going to backfire on them.

Potentially in the future there will be more competition for sports rights with numerous streaming services looking for subscriber drivers than we currently have with the Foxtel monopoly on Paytv.

You still keep referring to what happened in the past.Technology for sport has moved on since. You should do likewise.
Understand what advtg people,Tv stations, the retail industry have been saying over the past few months.
We may not get less, but it's fairly strong possibility the growth if a y will be minimal.
Perhaps keeping pace better than the low inflation rate are now experiencing. Anecdotal evidence has not included new technologies and the economy situation the country is now facing.
It reminds me of this computer modelling as an argument ,when there are so many anomalies to age taken into account and indeed unknowns.
Maybe it's the reason the NRL wants to hit their straps early, they can see the sh*t hitting teh fan ,down the line.