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Maroubra Eel

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Should we export uranium to India? Not until they sign an anti weapons agreement.
Should gays be allowed the right to legal marriage? yep why not?? it won't change my life either way...

It will change your life. You'll be able to marry legally now.
 

Gronk

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Yes. I'm fundamentally opposed to it. That's my belief.


Suity

They are going live with their life partners, have children (adopt and/or natural) and in all ways live like married couples whether you like it or not. They won't bother your life, yet you choose to deny them a ceremony and a marriage certificate ? Sounds petty to me.
 

Delboy

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As long as they dont get married in a church and try to change that basic belief, they can have a civil ceremony and be happy with that.

I am more concerned that the children they adopt have a happy life, that is what is important, keep them out of a church sanctioned marriage, dont want that
 

Suitman

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As long as they dont get married in a church and try to change that basic belief, they can have a civil ceremony and be happy with that.

I am more concerned that the children they adopt have a happy life, that is what is important, keep them out of a church sanctioned marriage, dont want that

That's pretty much my thoughts as well.

Suity
 

boxhead

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As long as they dont get married in a church and try to change that basic belief, they can have a civil ceremony and be happy with that.

I am more concerned that the children they adopt have a happy life, that is what is important, keep them out of a church sanctioned marriage, dont want that

See, that is one of the big flaws in the anti-gay marriage logic.
Why would two parents of the same gender be any less capable as parents than a heterosexual couple? It comes down to the individual parents themselves, just because they are homosexual does not mean they are any less capable as parents.

Why can't they dignify their marriage in the same ceremony that heterosexual couples do? Why should they be given unfair treatment in regards to religious relationship ceremonies when nothing in the Bible I've seen even contradicts homosexual marriages or couples?
 

eels81236

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God hates "gays"?

Umm, I seem to recall from Sunday School that yes, yes he does. I think he called them sinners. Whether he his correct is another matter altogether.

I'm neither gay nor religious. Not fulltime, anyway.
Since most against gay (or "gay" as Boxy puts it) stand on moral or religious grounds then surely legally recognised civil unions are a fair compromise. It is 2012.

On a side note...Poupou could go mental in this thread.
 

IFR33K

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They would but those against gay marriage don't have valid reasons.
If heterosexuals are allowed to marry then why not homosexuals? God hates "gays"?
It's because traditionalists either despise them or are afraid of them.
Not saying that applies to you, but why it is so frowned upon is beyond me.
And I am a heterosexual that is, to put it simply, "frigid", so I like to think I can see all sides of the argument.
If people are in such relationships then why can't they be allowed to legally ratify their communion in a fitting ceremony?

Because it is morally wrong. Whats next, people wanting to marry their brother or sister. Why stop there, lets allow the 'other' sickos to marry their pets.

Sometimes political correctness needs to go out the window, and be replaced with a little common sense.

I will probably get flamed for my response but I dont give a f**k. Im a father, an uncle and still believe in traditional family values, ie 1 mother and 1 father.
 

strider

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Best away ground you've been to: Shark Park has the best food
Worst away ground you've been to: Shark Park has the worst stadium
Best away ground food: ffs I already answered that - Shark Park
Other teams supporters who are the biggest knobs: Tigers - just sat near some a few times that irked me
Should radio rights be expanded to more than the ABC/2GB/2MMM? Yes.
Is Ray Warren past it? F'n oath!
Do you hope Manly lose the WCC? Don't really care
Do you hope GWS is an epic fail? No not really
Will the Aussies beat the Indians in the Summer test series? Yep
Gillard or Abbott? a red hot poker in the eye
Will Fisheel ever return to the forums? he's not already back?
Should we export uranium to India? No - uranium is baaaad okayyyy
Should gays be allowed the right to legal marriage? They don't know what they are getting themselves into
Do you prefer a hot summer or a cool summer? Dry (don't like humidty - heat is ok)
 

boxhead

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Umm, I seem to recall from Sunday School that yes, yes he does. I think he called them sinners. Whether he his correct is another matter altogether.

I'm neither gay nor religious. Not fulltime, anyway.
Since most against gay (or "gay" as Boxy puts it) stand on moral or religious grounds then surely legally recognised civil unions are a fair compromise. It is 2012.

On a side note...Poupou could go mental in this thread.

That's the interpretation of priests, if God loves all humans I doubt he'd be opposed to people who express their relationships and "tastes", if anything, if "God" represents an all-knowing, kindly being he or she would probably realize that the real "sinners" are the people who attack and slander homosexuals; these people are the ones that deny homosexuals the right to sustain their identity.

Because it is morally wrong. Whats next, people wanting to marry their brother or sister. Why stop there, lets allow the 'other' sickos to marry there pets.

Sometimes political correctness needs to go out the window, and be replaced with a little common sense.

I will probably get flamed for my response but I dont give a f**k. Im a father, an uncle and still believe in traditional family values, ie 1 mother and 1 father.

That isn't common sense, that is plain, brainwashed, prejudiced stupidity.
How is it morally wrong?
Do tell?
I don't want to use this example but why are lesbian couples appreciated in the adult film industry but conversely told they cannot marry by the very same people?
Even then, relationships between homosexual couples are no different to relationships between heterosexual couples in reality.

How is it "political correctness" if they are attacked and denied their right to be who they are simply because of their preferences?
I'd agree with you if the issue was marriage to siblings, pets or children, but they are completely separate issues and the fact you throw them in as similar to homosexual marriages and label them "sickos" is proof enough you are a brainwashed moron.
 
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Parra

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I like Shark Park for an away ground and for the food. I don't get all the dislike for the place - you can get closer to the action there than most other places.

I'll second TG Milner for the best afternoon at the footy you will get in Sydney. It's like a time warp. A very good time warp.
 

eels81236

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That's the interpretation of priests, if God loves all humans I doubt he'd be opposed to people who express their relationships and "tastes", if anything, if "God" represents an all-knowing, kindly being he or she would probably realize that the real "sinners" are the people who attack and slander homosexuals; these people are the ones that deny homosexuals the right to sustain their identity.

I think it'll be a while before you change the church's mind. They can be pretty set in their minds.
 

boxhead

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I'll pose this question to everyone.
Do you respect Sir Ian McKellan?
Does he deserve to marry the person that he loves, that he wishes to marry?
He is a homosexual.
Do you respect him any less? Do you now say he shouldn't be allowed to marry who he loves, whom he wishes to marry?

Elton John is one of the most respected and loved musicians of our time.
Should he be denied the same rights that hetersoexual couples enjoy?
Should he be considered an "inferior" individual or strictly denied such rights simply because he is different?

Apply this logic to all couples.
You have a friend that tells you they have a partner, are to be married and invites you to their wedding.
Would your reaction truly be different if they were heterosexual or homosexual?
 

boxhead

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I think it'll be a while before you change the church's mind. They can be pretty set in their minds.

No one can, really. They have their beliefs and follow them judiciously, just like I do in this thread in promoting gay rights.
It's unfortuneate but, much like individuals that express racist behavior, it can be difficult to change their ideals.
That example is a bit unfair though.
 

Suitman

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Elton John is one of the most respected and loved musicians of our time.
Should he be denied the same rights that hetersoexual couples enjoy?
Should he be considered an "inferior" individual or strictly denied such rights simply because he is different?

FMD Boxy, you couldn't have picked a worse example for the pro gay marriage lobby if you tried.
If you were Elton's son/daughter, would you like an 87 y.o dad and another 67 y.o dad when you hit 20?

Suity
 

boxhead

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FMD Boxy, you couldn't have picked a worse example for the pro gay marriage lobby if you tried.
If you were Elton's son/daughter, would you like an 87 y.o dad and another 67 y.o dad when you hit 20?

Suity

I have two 50 year old parents and I am 17.
That doesn't change my opinion of them.
Elton John is a common example, if there weren't violent morons proclaiming "sinner" in America he'd probably would have married a husband much earlier.
Bad example but an example nonetheless.
I also find it funny you don't point out any other parts of my posts.
Your logic is flawed because many children move out of their homes when they are 20 years of age or around there anyway. Are you implying that two fathers would be bad parents simply because they are both dads?
 
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Parra

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Elton John has always been an annoying tool. His music sucks and he carries on like a pork chop. And no-one ever stopped him getting married. He married in Sydney in the 1980's.
 

eels81236

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I have two 50 year old parents and I am 17.
That doesn't change my opinion of them.
Elton John is a common example, if there weren't violent morons proclaiming "sinner" in America he'd probably would have married a husband much earlier.
Bad example but an example nonetheless.
I also find it funny you don't point out any other parts of my posts.
Your logic is flawed because many children move out of their homes when they are 20 years of age or around there anyway. Are you implying that two fathers would be bad parents simply because they are both dads?

I'd reckon he probably doesn't care about America.
I also reckon that Suity reckons that if you are trying to convince those that disagree with you that homosexuality and therefore gay marriage should be considered normal then perhaps you're best choosing examples whom are considered a little more "normal".
 
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