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Geoff Carr warns players off Samoa

Evil Homer

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how do the arl decide who the other nations pick? they have a requirement that the players that play for australian states are also available to play for australia, which they have every right to.
No they don't, they make that rule themselves for their own benefit. They certainly have no right to tell PNG which eligibile players they can or cannot pick, as they have done with Costigan.
 

franklin2323

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A Manu Samoan team with 16/22 locals lost 101-14 to the All Blacks in 2008, and 43-5 to a French B team last year - local boys aren't going to compete with hardened elite pros. That is why PIRA is still petitioning the IRB to change Regulation 8 to allow ex All Blacks to turn out for the Manu and Tonga - just like RL.

The thrashing was disappointing, but Toa Samoa played one game last year, and no warm up before this game against the World Champions. Really, only the combined Pacific team will compete against elite nations in both codes.

Exactly when Rugby changes it watch the island countries improve.

As for the game. Would they of expected to win?? I would say it was a warm up for the Tongan test
 

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No they don't, they make that rule themselves for their own benefit. They certainly have no right to tell PNG which eligibile players they can or cannot pick, as they have done with Costigan.

correct, although I think Costigan would have had to nominate Australia to be eligible for SOO so he can't play for PNG. as he nominated Australia as his country this year. He should tell them to jump, make himself avialable for PNG and if they try to stop him or refuse him SOO next year sue for restraint of trade.
 

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on the grounds (as has been succesful in the past) that he was stopped from being able to earn a wage due to illegal work practice ie telling him he can't play for PNG. It'd be like me telling one of my staff members she can't work on her days off for McDonalds as I don't think she should and if she does I'll sack her.
 

RedVee

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The past sovereignty of Scotland, England and Wales would be moot as they are no longer independent nor sovereign - if the requirement for participation in international RL or other international sports was that national teams represented sovereign states. It isn't.



The Cook Islands team represents the self governing (unlike England) parliamentary democracy that is Cook Islands, which it has been since 1965. It is in free association with NZ, and the Cook Islands has foreign relations with a host of other nations across the world.

Foreign relations of the Cook Islands



Incorrect, both that the Olympics only requires sovereign states to participate, and that it is the only exception (to what exactly, I'm not sure).

National Olympic Committee



The USA and Puerto Rico can play each other in basketball, and both participate in Olympics, and a Puerto Rican could be eligible for both.

A Northern Irishman could be eligible both for the Republic of Ireland team, and Team Great Britain. In soccer, Northern Ireland (NI) field a national team in soccer when the Republic of Ireland(ROI) team can select anyone off the island of Ireland, as Northerners automatically have ROI citizenship under the ROI's constitution. The right of ROI to pick NI players has been ratified by the International Court of Arbitration for Sport. The reason Northern Ireland field a team is because some of its people want a team to uniquely represent NI. This does not mean the ROI represents NI, it means the ROI team represents the ROI, of whom Northern Irelanders are citizens.

Similarly, the Cook Islands RL national team represents the Cook Islands only. The NZ national team represents the state of New Zealand, not the Realm of NZ. Cook Islanders happen to be eligible for the Kiwis because Cook Islanders are NZ citizens - however, the Kiwis still represent the state of NZ and not the Cook Islands.

Also, in soccer, both the American Samoan football team and Team USA could qualify for the FIFA World Cup. So, an American Samoan could be eligible for both teams. However, the USA team only represents the USA, and American Samoa represents the territory of American Samoa.

If a Taiwan team and a People's Republic of China team wished to participate in RL, would you object to the Taiwan team on the basis that the PRC claim that Taiwan is a part of One China?



Your classification of the NZ Cook Islands relationship in the first instance was incorrect, so that renders this comparison flawed.

Thank you.
 

kovana

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A Manu Samoan team with 16/22 locals lost 101-14 to the All Blacks in 2008, and 43-5 to a French B team last year - local boys aren't going to compete with hardened elite pros. That is why PIRA is still petitioning the IRB to change Regulation 8 to allow ex All Blacks to turn out for the Manu and Tonga - just like RL.

The thrashing was disappointing, but Toa Samoa played one game last year, and no warm up before this game against the World Champions. Really, only the combined Pacific team will compete against elite nations in both codes.

Oh wow.. So have you ignored everything the Local Players have Achieved THIS YEAR... NOT LAST YEAR....

We have Now won the 7s series AND the Pacific Nations Title as well..

In 2008.. Yes.. That was a Differant Coach Niko Palamo.. In 2009 we got our new Coach Titimaea Tafua.

As for that So called 'French B' Team..

Here is that Starting 15 Lineup that Played Samoa last Year.

FB 15 Medard *
WG 14 Fall
CE 13 David Marty
CE 12 Yannick Jauzion
' CE 11 Cleric
FH 10 François Trinh-Duc
SH 9 Parra
'N8 8 Julien Bonnaire
FL 7 Lapandry FL
6 Thierry Dusautoir (c)
LK 5 Pape
LK 4 Sébastien Chabal
PR 3 Sylvain Marconnet

HK 2 Szarzeweski

PR 1 Domingo

NOW compare with the Starting 15 French team that Played the AB's the following Week.

FB 15 Damien Traille
WG 14 Vincent Clerc*
CE 13 David Marty*
CE 12 Yannick Jauzion*
CE 11 Maxime Médard *
FH 10 François Trinh-Duc*
SH 9 Julien Dupuy
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59' Replaced By Parra
N8 8 Julien Bonnaire*
FL 7 Fulgence Ouedraogo
FL 6 Thierry Dusautoir (c)*
LK 5 Romain Millo-Chluski
LK 4 Sébastien Chabal*
PR 3 Sylvain Marconnet*
51' HK 2 William Servat
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47'Replaced By Szarzeweski
PR 1 Fabien Barcella


9 of the Starting 15 against the AB's also started against Samoa... And 2 were subs... Szarweski and Parra.

Remember.. France got smashed by the AB's as well in that match.
 

batiarmy

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Jeez what a massacre for us samoans...

Was watching with some mates..

Right into the 2nd half until it reached 30+ to nil,

Stopped watching after Vatuveis 2nd try where he bumped of some weak samoan tackling..

Jeez, they need more locals and guys who actually have played club rugby in samoa.. Local boys have heart. Just look at our Samoa 7s team and 15s team.. Hell of a lot more locals make up the team.. And we won the 7s series AND the PNC this year..

Feck, thanks for killing the interest toa samoa...



But i will still cheer for them if they are playing again..

Are they playing again this year or is that the end of the test matches for samoa this year in RL?

Haha chin up uce

At least they had some passion in their war cry and the Tonga/Samoa match should be good, always love watching two Pacific nations going toe to toe and it doesn't get any better than Samoa v Tonga.
 

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Oh wow.. So have you ignored everything the Local Players have Achieved THIS YEAR... NOT LAST YEAR....

We have Now won the 7s series AND the Pacific Nations Title as well..

In 2008.. Yes.. That was a Differant Coach Niko Palamo.. In 2009 we got our new Coach Titimaea Tafua.

kovana, its commendable that the Samoa sevens won a World 7s title, and the Manu won the PNC. However beating Ikale Tahi and Japan is a one thing, but it is a massive step up in class to then attempt to compete with the All Blacks. The ABs have recently walloped teams like the Wallabies and Springboks, who lie immediately below them in the IRB World Rankings at 2nd and 3rd, let alone teams like the Manu and Tonga who lie at 12th and 16th. Yes, it would be good if there was a place for a few more home-grown players, at least 4 in the squad. However, replacing them in bulk would lead to thrashings.

As for that So called 'French B' Team..

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Fair enough, well argued.
 

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