Georgia v Serbia

[Copa]

Doesn't matter who did or didn't have their best players involved... history will only show the results.

 

[griff]

Doesn't matter who did or didn't have their best players involved... history will only show the results.

But it is confusing and may devalue the credibility of international RL.

In RLWC 2000, Ireland were made up mainly of grandparent rule players, in the ENC they are made up mainly of domestic players. However both were just called "Ireland" and are in the record books under the same name, even though they aren't the same team. One "Ireland" goes pretty close to making the final of the RLWC, and another "Ireland" gets thrashed by France the very next year. It makes it hard to follow for a new fan.

It has to be looked at - I don't know the answer but if it isn't the best possible team they have it should be Ireland 'A'.

 

[bender]

But it is confusing and may devalue the credibility of international RL.

In RLWC 2000, Ireland were made up mainly of grandparent rule players, in the ENC they are made up mainly of domestic players. However both were just called "Ireland" and are in the record books under the same name, even though they aren't the same team. One "Ireland" goes pretty close to making the final of the RLWC, and another "Ireland" gets thrashed by France the very next year. It makes it hard to follow for a new fan.

It has to be looked at - I don't know the answer but if it isn't the best possible team they have it should be Ireland 'A'.

To rank the nations, a start would be to get a listof the official results. Is this possible to find anywhere at all?

IMO, until alll nations start playing regularly rankings should be done according to something like the following criteria. World Cup Results (including qualifiers) - 8 X points. Test Matches 4 X points; Official Tournaments and Internationals - 2 times points, Friendlys 1X points, Abrievated versions of the games Half points. With 10 points for a win by 30 points plus, 8 pts for a win by less, 6 pts for a draw, 4 pts for a loss by less than 10 pts, 2 pts for a loss by less than 30 pts and 1 pt for a loss by a larger margin. There would still end up some abnormalities but at least this would give some type of indicatin of where nations lie.

 

[YANTO]

Now Yanto, i would've thought that you'd have known better than me that France did not have their best team for The Euro Nations...

Ireland would not be able to even compete with Australia or New Zealand....

Do Ireland have players that have the class of Rinaldi, Fakir, Greseque, bezeltoun etc.???

Hang on a minute.
The Euro nations is supposed to be the top ranking RLEF event and yet you tell me that France had a second string out??

Wow what a smack in the teeth for the Euro Nations.

France HAD thier top side out pal.

Look back in ten years time and France(not France "A" played )

All you guys down under do not appriciate RL in Europe

 

[carlnz]

Mate I do know what you mean but to say Ireland is ranked higher than France? Im sorry i cant agree with that. Results between the two teams show their is not much between them but results prove France is the better team.

France vs England
Renaud Guigue (UTC)
Jerome Hermet (Villeneuve)
Claud Sirvent (St Gaudnes)
Arnaud Dulac (St Gaudens)
Fourcade Abasse (St Gaudens)
Laurent Frayssinous (UTC)
Julien Rinaldi (UTC)
Adel Felious (UTC)
David Berthezene (UTC)
Jean-Christophe Borlin (St Gaudens)
Djamel Fakir (UTC)
Sebastien Raguin (Toulouse)
Olivier Elima (Wakefield)

David Ferriol (Limoux)
Bouatou Coulibaly (St Gaudens)
Maxime Greseque (Pia)
Olivier Pramil (Carcassone)

France vs Australia
Renaud Guigue (UTC)
Frederic Zitter (Toulouse)
Damien Couturier (Toulouse)
Jerome Hermet (Villeneuve)
Michael Van Snick (Villeneuve)
Maxime Gresque (Pia)
Julien Rinaldi(UTC)
Adel Fellous (UTC)
David Berthezene (UTC)
David Ferriol (Limoux)
Jamal Fakir (UTC)
Olivier Elima (Wakefield)
Gregory Mounis (UTC)

Olivier Pramil (Carcassonne)
Remi Casty (Lezignan)
Laurent Carrasco (Limoux)
Said Tamghart (UTC)
Claude Sirvent (St Gaudens)

The Simple fact is France played bad against England but played well against Australia and NEw Zealand

 

[screeny]

Yanto, France second string in Med Cup? Je ne croix pas....check the team lists dude. 2002 line up was France's best. 2003....a 50-50 split between Med Cup and Le Bleu XIII v Australia, but still the French national team (since when can a national team only be so called when only the very, very best 13 are in the line up...that's just unrealistic). Only in 2004 did they send a diluted team, which still comprised 6 or 7 front rank int'l players.

And Copa's absolutely right: a team must be ranked by its results and nothing else. All this 'he wasn't playing then' or 'they were missing two or three excellent players who would have been playing but for.....etc' is a lame duck.

Results and against whom equal rankings, not players involved.

 

[Sun_Down]

What? No way Ireland is better than France, I dont think Ireland could cope with the likes of NZ and Aus, France is miles better IMO.

 

[YANTO]

Yanto, France second string in Med Cup? Je ne croix pas....check the team lists dude. 2002 line up was France's best. 2003....a 50-50 split between Med Cup and Le Bleu XIII v Australia, but still the French national team (since when can a national team only be so called when only the very, very best 13 are in the line up...that's just unrealistic). Only in 2004 did they send a diluted team, which still comprised 6 or 7 front rank int'l players.

And Copa's absolutely right: a team must be ranked by its results and nothing else. All this 'he wasn't playing then' or 'they were missing two or three excellent players who would have been playing but for.....etc' is a lame duck.

Results and against whom equal rankings, not players involved.

So going on the last Euro Nations Cup Ireland did better on results than France,not 2003,2002 etc but 2004.
So until we see how both teams fare this time round Ireland (beaten finalist's and losing away to England by less than France did in France) must be ranked higher than the French . GOING ON RECENT RESULTS.

European Nations Cup​

Saturday 16th October
Russia 10 v France 58 Sunday 17th October
Wales 12 v Ireland 25Sunday 24th October
Russia 4 v England 98
Scotland 30 v Wales 22Friday 29th October
Ireland 43 v Scotland 10Saturday 30th October
France 4 v England 42The Final
Sunday 7th November
England 36 v Ireland 12


Victory Cup
France 25 d New Zealand 14
May 16
Russia 64 d Ireland 6
May 13
Great Britain 23 d France 16
May 12
Russia 64 d USA 8
May 10
Great Britain 26 d New Zealand 12
Ireland 74 d USA 16

France also beat Serbia and Morocco and lost to lebanon in the Med Cup

France played eight LOST four won Four succes rate 50%
Ireland played five WON three LOST two succes rate 60%
Ireland lost two games to England and Russia who both went onto win the respective tournaments.

So again on results and in MY opinion going into the 2005 Euro Nations Ireland are higher than France.

 

[screeny]

well, it depends on how recent you consider recent. FIFA's world rankings are worked out not via a panel of experts who arbitrarily decide on placings but via a massively complex formula (it's on fifa.com) taking into consideration the results, the score, the opponents and the status of the match/tournament.


It gives a fair reflection of the state of play in world football. There's nothing stopping RL doing the same.

Don't disagree about Ireland being above France, but by the same token Lebanon, undefeated in three years and nine matches, including three against France, should be either the number one NH team or at least second to England.