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GI - out of retirement to Warrington

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Is anyone surprised that Souths once again gets some kind of preferential treatment and the other teams are told to just get over it? They are the darlings of the NRL I still remember the 2014 NRL Grand Final where the entire pre show was dedicated to how great Souths are and how Souths winning will be a great thing for the league. Barely any mention of the Dogs it was gross how biased it all was and that's coming from someone who isn't a fan of either team.

And they weren't wrong.
30-6.
21 titles.
Most watched club game in the history of televised rugby league.
Largest attendance at the Olympic Stadium since the reconfiguration
 

Dingo_dan

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One of the problems that this whole situation causes (and everyone said it at the time), is that if you’ve got the money and ain’t bothered about value, you could sign let’s say Cameron Smith for 700k for 5 years, starting in 2021 (beating other competitors to his signature who were legitimately offering him $1m for the 1 year based on his age) - at the end of 2021, he just decides ‘He can’t live up to his standards’ and retires, but steps into an office job with the club (or a sponsor) that happens to pay him the rest of the contract money owed over the 5 years.
It’s a bona fida rort.
Except you can't.

The nrl decided that anything over the market value for the role will count on the cap for the remaining years of the contract.

So GI was on $1million in 19-20.

He was paid $500k for half a year as an nrl player. He then went in to his new role which had been reported as $350k per year. The entirety of that $350k was counted on souths cap for 2019.

He made the same $350k this year. The nrl determined that was $100k over market value (and considering a lot of players take these kind of role that would have been easy to do). So Souths were slugged with $100k over the cap for that.

So if Smith signed for storm for 2021-2024 for $750k and retired midway through 2022, it only unfolds in these ways.

1. He does what GI did and breaks the contract. He then moves into an off-field role for $350k. That means in 2022 storm pay $750k on the cap for half a season out of smith and pay $100k in 2023-24-25. This also assumes Smith would take a pay cut of $350k over 23-24-25 to the tune of $1.05m all up. Unlikely from Cam.

2. The same thing happens and Smith moves into a $750k off season role with the storm. That means in 2022 storm pay $750k for half a year out of smith, then in 2023-24-25 they are paying $500k ($750k being $500 over the $250k over the market value).

3. Smith just plays on. His obviously over the hill by year 3, his body breaks down. Storm can't get rid of him though because all Smith does is turn up to training does his requirements and collects his pay cheque which he is well within his rights. This kind of thing was made infamous by Soccer player William Bogarde for Chelsea. They overpaid for a long contract, realised he wasn't the player they thought he was. Tried everything to get him to quit. Bogarde realising that he'd never get this contract again, just kept turning up to Chelsea training. Kept turning up for reserve games. Did everything that was required of him and saw out his 4 year, £50k a week contract. Another example is Greg Eastwood. He was on the last year of a Des Hasler backed special. He was on $900k a year. Bulldogs tried a few things to get rid of him including dropping him to reserves, eastwood happily played out the year in nsw cup and collected his pay cheque.
 

Perth Red

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So Souths are sacrificing $110k a year for ten years on the cap for slamming sams non playing job (repeated to be worth $360k a year for ten years)?
 

Chimp

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Except you can't.

The nrl decided that anything over the market value for the role will count on the cap for the remaining years of the contract.

So GI was on $1million in 19-20.

He was paid $500k for half a year as an nrl player. He then went in to his new role which had been reported as $350k per year. The entirety of that $350k was counted on souths cap for 2019.

He made the same $350k this year. The nrl determined that was $100k over market value (and considering a lot of players take these kind of role that would have been easy to do). So Souths were slugged with $100k over the cap for that.

So if Smith signed for storm for 2021-2024 for $750k and retired midway through 2022, it only unfolds in these ways.

1. He does what GI did and breaks the contract. He then moves into an off-field role for $350k. That means in 2022 storm pay $750k on the cap for half a season out of smith and pay $100k in 2023-24-25. This also assumes Smith would take a pay cut of $350k over 23-24-25 to the tune of $1.05m all up. Unlikely from Cam.

2. The same thing happens and Smith moves into a $750k off season role with the storm. That means in 2022 storm pay $750k for half a year out of smith, then in 2023-24-25 they are paying $500k ($750k being $500 over the $250k over the market value).

3. Smith just plays on. His obviously over the hill by year 3, his body breaks down. Storm can't get rid of him though because all Smith does is turn up to training does his requirements and collects his pay cheque which he is well within his rights. This kind of thing was made infamous by Soccer player William Bogarde for Chelsea. They overpaid for a long contract, realised he wasn't the player they thought he was. Tried everything to get him to quit. Bogarde realising that he'd never get this contract again, just kept turning up to Chelsea training. Kept turning up for reserve games. Did everything that was required of him and saw out his 4 year, £50k a week contract. Another example is Greg Eastwood. He was on the last year of a Des Hasler backed special. He was on $900k a year. Bulldogs tried a few things to get rid of him including dropping him to reserves, eastwood happily played out the year in nsw cup and collected his pay cheque.

Or another option, the ‘official’ off field role is only for $200k and the rest is
topped up from elsewhere, as the NRL have no right to look into what a non-NRL player is earning from elsewhere....

Let’s hypothetically use the Roosters - that post-playing job could be at any of Uncle Nicks other business ventures and the NRL has no right to look into that as it is classed as a post playing career - but in reality, that money is covering the now ended playing contract.
 

Perth Red

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Or another option, the ‘official’ off field role is only for $200k and the rest is
topped up from elsewhere, as the NRL have no right to look into what a non-NRL player is earning from elsewhere....

Let’s hypothetically use the Roosters - that post-playing job could be at any of Uncle Nicks other business ventures and the NRL has no right to look into that as it is classed as a post playing career - but in reality, that money is covering the now ended playing contract.

surely no club would stoop to such unethical behaviour?
 

Dingo_dan

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So Souths are sacrificing $110k a year for ten years on the cap for slamming sams non playing job (repeated to be worth $360k a year for ten years)?
Yea no.

Sam was medically retired (unlike GI).

His contract was paid in full, with no effect on the cap, as is the case with all Medical retirements (Like Gillett and Mautlino were on the same day).

With that settled Sam is free to do whatever he wants into the future (as all former players can).
 

Chimp

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Yea no.

Sam was medically retired (unlike GI).

His contract was paid in full, with no effect on the cap, as is the case with all Medical retirements (Like Gillett and Mautlino were on the same day).

With that settled Sam is free to do whatever he wants into the future (as all former players can).
But shouldn’t come out of retirement, as ‘medically’ he’s not able to play the game again in future (and I actually don’t think he will), but with the same lay-off GI will have had by the time he plays again, reports were Sam could be fit to play.
 

Dingo_dan

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But shouldn’t come out of retirement, as ‘medically’ he’s not able to play the game again in future (and I actually don’t think he will), but with the same lay-off GI will have had by the time he plays again, reports were Sam could be fit to play.
When I said free to do what he wants in the future, I meant employment wise. There is no avenue for Sam to return to rugby league now.
 

blue bags

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benny boy is a master , it started at the raiders, look at that team WOW
then the international SOO bronco team
built a very handy dragons team
jigsaw at knights did not work out
now the rabbits is a mad scientist dream
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THE CHAMP

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Once Bennett is finished at Souths they will be lucky to still be in the comp. There will definitely be no premierships.

He does handle major rule changes very well though so it’s possible I’m wrong. f**k me I hope not
 

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