Gold Coast Bears/Nth Sydney/Gosford

[Stallion]

[QUOTE="The Great Dane, post: 12530056, member: 41273”]
It's pretty hard to comprehend incomprehensible babbling, with no rational reasoning to back it up.
Because even if you do have reasoning as to why things should be or are the way you claim you're quickly countered, at which point you ignore the counter and proceed to reassert your original stance, which basically leaves your points surmounting to 'things should be this way because I like them that way, and I said they should be that way', which is fine I guess, but it's not a good way to do anything let alone run a business.

Nailed him. Exactly what I’ve thought for weeks now but lacking your eloquence.[/QUOTE]

When the counter has poor assumptions which you have ignored then one should have every right to maintain and reinforce a decent and well founded point. Perhaps assessing the assumptions of the counter might be something you consider when you choose to bag my comments.

 

[Vee]

Nailed him. Exactly what I’ve thought for weeks now but lacking your eloquence.

When the counter has poor assumptions which you have ignored then one should have every right to maintain and reinforce a decent and well founded point. Perhaps assessing the assumptions of the counter might be something you consider when you choose to bag my comments.[/QUOTE]
I certainly commend your unicorns and rainbows fanaticism but it still doesn’t make it any more true. Dane nailed you but you keep arguing in the same old way so there’s no point in engaging with you any longer. It’s like arguing with a stubborn child who just keeps re-stating their case in the belief that if they say it enough times, it will become true

 

[Stallion]

When the counter has poor assumptions which you have ignored then one should have every right to maintain and reinforce a decent and well founded point. Pe
rhaps assessing the assumptions of the counter might be something you consider when you choose to bag my comments.

I certainly commend your unicorns and rainbows fanaticism but it still doesn’t make it any more true. Dane nailed you but you keep arguing in the same old way so there’s no point in engaging with you any longer. It’s like arguing with a stubborn child who just keeps re-stating their case in the belief that if they say it enough times, it will become true[/QUOTE]

Lol. Thats your call! No nailing here champ! My points have proved solid and logical. And still stick by them. Don't think that's the case for your 'hero' in the peanut gallery.

 

[Perth Red]

So the AFL are insular maintaining 10 foundation clubs in a city that has 1million less people than the 8.5 NRL clubs left in Sydney? Do the maths as well as respect the history! Theirs no oversaturated market in Sydney. That's a furfy to the nth degree! Expansion can be well done with additional clubs! Australia is a different scenario to other parts of the world. Its expanse and its highly populated cities is way different to other nations.

Afl,has expanded as far as they can. They have only been able to do this without culling their overstaturatedmelbourne market, as evidenced by the number of Melbourne clubs requiring large grants to survive, by imposing a ticket tax n popular clubs and having clubs agree to a variable grant scheme. Can you ever imagine nrl clubs agreeing this in order to allow expansion beyond the current 16 clubs?

Not really, Canada is very similar and the hockey or cfl would never be stupid enough to have nine teams in one city!

 

[Stallion]

Afl,has expanded as far as they can. They have only been able to do this without culling their overstaturatedmelbourne market, as evidenced by the number of Melbourne clubs requiring large grants to survive, by imposing a ticket tax n popular clubs and having clubs agree to a variable grant scheme. Can you ever imagine nrl clubs agreeing this in order to allow expansion beyond the current 16 clubs?

Not really, Canada is very similar and the hockey or cfl would never be stupid enough to have nine teams in one city!

Once again you have ignored that Australia is different from other nations. Their is a tyrrany of distance along with population density in Australias biggest cities that is not the case in other countries. If I were the NRL I would well and truelly follow the AFL model of sustaining its powerbase (the foundation clubs) and exponentially expanding with the aim of two teams in major cities around Australia which is what they are clearly aiming for. Your 'slash and burn'policy has already realised damage for rugby league in the North Sydney area of Australia's largest city which was clearly pointed out to you with figures from another contributer a while ago.

 

[Perth Red]

Once again you have ignored that Australia is different from other nations. Their is a tyrrany of distance along with population density in Australias biggest cities that is not the case in other countries. If I were the NRL I would well and truelly follow the AFL model of sustaining its powerbase (the foundation clubs) and exponentially expanding with the aim of two teams in major cities around Australia which is what they are clearly aiming for. Your 'slash and burn'policy has already realised damage for rugby league in the North Sydney area of Australia's largest city which was clearly pointed out to you with figures from another contributer a while ago.

Canada?

Your the one ignoring the reality that the nrl has been very clear about No room for expansion. So the tough question is do you accept stagnation or do you deal with oversaturation of one market to clear space for new markets.

You must ghtbaccept the afl strategy of inequitable financing of clubs but the nrl,clubs never will and the nrl does not have the balls or control like thenafl to make it happen so using afl model as a goal is a pointless exercise. Could you imagine nrl sayingto the broncos, we are going to reduce your grant by $4million and tax you for every fan attending so we can afford to bring in a new Brisbane club? Good luck with that in the self interested nrl!

Afl model is about at least two teams in every major population region. NRL has included smaller regional clubs meaning that to ever get to a similar situation would require a very big top tier of clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

Out of interest stallion if you accept that the culling in Sydney made it more viable for a club in Melbourne would you agree that the damage of cutting of the bears has been offset by the success of having the storm in the competition?

Would you say keeping two Sydney clubs in the comp in 98'at the expense of Perth and Adelaide was a good long term strategic decision for the games growth?

These are the harsh realities of business were you have to sometimes close down underperforming parts of the business in order to grow other areas,

 

[siv]

Out of interest stallion if you accept that the culling in Sydney made it more viable for a club in Melbourne would you agree that the damage of cutting of the bears has been offset by the success of having the storm in the competition?

Would you say keeping two Sydney clubs in the comp in 98'at the expense of Perth and Adelaide was a good long term strategic decision for the games growth?

These are the harsh realities of business were you have to sometimes close down underperforming parts of the business in order to grow other areas,

But that wasnt the strategy in 1997

It was a direct sacrifice of Perth

Everything else was to bring the comp down to 14 teams - so they could play a 26 round home and away season

 

[Perth Red]

Not really, in that period they had to cut down clubs to a manageable level, they could have kept one more Sydney team and not introduced melbourne, or three less Sydney teams and kept Perth, Adelaide and introduced Melbourne. End of day they we're working to a number of clubs they felt was sustainable in the new comp, the make up of those clubs was at the discretion of the ARL and news ltd.

Perth was gone regardless of if Melbourne was admitted, we'd pssed of the ARL and they were never letting us continue. We didn't have the nswrl lobbying like the Sydney SL defectors and with news ltd stripping the local ownership and support of the club there was no one left to fight for the Reds.

 

[King hit]

News limited wounded up the Reds because of the mounting debts. It would be different these days though.

 

[Perth Red]

News limited wounded up the Reds because of the mounting debts. It would be different these days though.

The debts were no worse than most of the clubs of the time, the crazy player salary inflation and money news ltd was blowing on its clubs meant all clubs were financially screwed by end of 1997. The ridiculous travel agreement certainly hurt reds in 95&96 but from what I heard from a board member of the time the cash convertor guy was happy to keep continuing to underwrite the losses, then news came in, offered a massive sponsorship deal, got control of the board and the rest is history.

 

[Stallion]

Afl,has expanded as far as they can. They have only been able to do this without culling their overstaturatedmelbourne market, as evidenced by the number of Melbourne clubs requiring large grants to survive, by imposing a ticket tax n popular clubs and having clubs agree to a variable grant scheme. Can you ever imagine nrl clubs agreeing this in order to allow expansion beyond the current 16 clubs?

Not really, Canada is very similar and the hockey or cfl would never be stupid enough to have nine teams in one city!

My word! Your understanding(or lack of) of history and cultural relevance is astonishingly poor!

 

[Stallion]

Out of interest stallion if you accept that the culling in Sydney made it more viable for a club in Melbourne would you agree that the damage of cutting of the bears has been offset by the success of having the storm in the competition?

Would you say keeping two Sydney clubs in the comp in 98'at the expense of Perth and Adelaide was a good long term strategic decision for the games growth?

These are the harsh realities of business were you have to sometimes close down underperforming parts of the business in order to grow other areas,

I don't accept the culling of a club in Sydney made Melbourne Storm more viable. Melbourne benefited from some good marketing and the axing of the Mariners, Perth Reds and Adelaide Rams(player talent pooled together). This, courtesy of News Ltd wishes being acceded to in a poor "peace deal" agreement that ignored so many strengths associated with the Sydney competition. Quite simply, someone at the top end of town could see rugby league expanding too quickly for their liking and conveniently put a stop to this expansion via a war within the code. A well orchestrated war at that. Just as RL was getting some real traction in Perth and other parts of Australia suddenly this "war" comes to play and stops significant progress and attacked the core of the game in Sydney?!

 

[Perth Red]

Bears bid fails

IT’S official — North Sydney’s brave battle to return to the big league is dead.

The Courier-Mail can reveal the Bears have been placed in NRL hibernation after a North Sydney consortium failed in its attempt to win the Gold Coast licence.

The Bears launched an ambitious $7 million bid to buy the Titans in March and formalised their plans last month when they were one of four consortia to submit a business proposal to the NRL.

Under the plan, North Sydney would return to the top flight as the Gold Coast Bears, with the club to play two or three home matches at North Sydney Oval.

But NRL hierarchy has put a red line through North Sydney’s proposal, ensuring Gold Coast fans will not see Titans games taken interstate.

The Norths development is a devastating blow for the famous foundation club.

Bears officials, led by general manager and former Test star Greg Florimo, have waged a 19-year fight to resurrect the club as an NRL force following North Sydney’s exit from the big league in 1999.

Ultimately, the very issue that led to their demise two decades ago — a lack of money — has cruelled them again.

It is understood the NRL had major concerns about the Bears’ latest bid after it emerged North Sydney Leagues Club, touted as key financial backers, had baulked at bankrolling a $7m buyout.

Without Norths Leagues’ support, the bid effectively fell over — ending any hope of the Bears reviving their 91-year existence in the big league.

Taking games away from Robina’s Cbus Super Stadium was another impediment. North Sydney faced paying a $110,000 levy to the Queensland government for every Titans home game that was shifted from the Robina complex.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...d/news-story/0533eac561f5d7cf694813d415ff1cec

 

[Irish-bulldog]

This idea will officially kill the Gold Coast if it's allowed to happen. Worst idea in the history of the nrl.

 

[Vee]

Bears bid fails

IT’S official — North Sydney’s brave battle to return to the big league is dead.

The Courier-Mail can reveal the Bears have been placed in NRL hibernation after a North Sydney consortium failed in its attempt to win the Gold Coast licence.

The Bears launched an ambitious $7 million bid to buy the Titans in March and formalised their plans last month when they were one of four consortia to submit a business proposal to the NRL.

Under the plan, North Sydney would return to the top flight as the Gold Coast Bears, with the club to play two or three home matches at North Sydney Oval.

But NRL hierarchy has put a red line through North Sydney’s proposal, ensuring Gold Coast fans will not see Titans games taken interstate.

The Norths development is a devastating blow for the famous foundation club.

Bears officials, led by general manager and former Test star Greg Florimo, have waged a 19-year fight to resurrect the club as an NRL force following North Sydney’s exit from the big league in 1999.

Ultimately, the very issue that led to their demise two decades ago — a lack of money — has cruelled them again.

It is understood the NRL had major concerns about the Bears’ latest bid after it emerged North Sydney Leagues Club, touted as key financial backers, had baulked at bankrolling a $7m buyout.

Without Norths Leagues’ support, the bid effectively fell over — ending any hope of the Bears reviving their 91-year existence in the big league.

Taking games away from Robina’s Cbus Super Stadium was another impediment. North Sydney faced paying a $110,000 levy to the Queensland government for every Titans home game that was shifted from the Robina complex.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...d/news-story/0533eac561f5d7cf694813d415ff1cec

Why is the NRL letting that detail out? Use them to boost the price they get from the successful bidder.

 

[Perth Red]

Who knows, nrl has more leaks than a welsh kitchen.

 

[mave]

Can Florimo fk off into the nether now please.
Fkn ambulance chaser.

 

[taipan]

This can mean only one thing noiw.The Perth Bears,meaning 8 games at Perff and 4 at NSO.

 

[Knightmare]

West Coast Bears

Red and Black + Yellow

This one makes so much sense there's no way the NRL will allow it to happen...