Goodbye Gus? Phil Gould to depart Penrith

[Perth Red]

Haha make Gus NRL CEO? As stupid an idea as making a narcissist like Trump leader of the free world

Would be great for giggles though, NRL360 would have plenty to "discuss" and could be on every night!

 

[Pedge1971]

Haha make Gus NRL CEO? As stupid an idea as making a narcissist like Trump leader of the free world

Would be great for giggles though, NRL360 would have plenty to "discuss" and could be on every night!

Gus Gould: make rugby league great again.

 

[Fangs]

I think Gould is getting a rough go here.

I know we all laugh about the 5 year plan and all that but the fact is Penrith have made the finals 4 out of the last 5 years, has this ever happened before? Certainly it hasn't in the NRL era.

I don't think it can be argued that he hasn't met his KPIs as an operations manager.

I agree. The last time Penrith had sustained success on field happened from 1988-1991:

1988: 5th
1989: 2nd
1990: 3rd (Grand finalist)
1991: 1st (Premiers)

Gould happened to be there for half of it as well.

 

[Vee]

I agree. The last time Penrith had sustained success on field happened from 1988-1991:

1988: 5th
1989: 2nd
1990: 3rd (Grand finalist)
1991: 1st (Premiers)

Gould happened to be there for half of it as well.

In the other half, he won a title in his first year as a coach.

 

[Fangs]

Bring back Mullet Gus?

 

[TheFrog]

This is not what Penrith cub and fans have been saying for near 12 months. Cleary was under contract to the Tigers for another 2 seasons. It is of course the truth.

Speaks volumes of Cleary & O'Neill. Never thought that Gould would be the one to come out of this as the one with honour.

Wests Tigers took the money and settled the matter then and there. You lot are just going to have to get over it. You were quite happy to poach the halfback we'd been developing since he was a kid.

Maybe he indeed had f**k all to do with it.

That does indeed appear to be the case.

 

[TheFrog]

The last time Penrith had sustained success on field happened from 1988-1991:

1988: 5th
1989: 2nd
1990: 3rd (Grand finalist)
1991: 1st (Premiers)

Depends which angle you look at it from. In 1988 we didn't even make the finals (lost a playoff for 5th). In '89 we didn't win a final. We didn't win a finals match until 1990. Whereas in 2014-2016-2017-2018 we won finals each time. This is an unbroken sequence of 3 yrs and its not yet round 7.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Partly because he's publicly stated he doesn't want the job and partly because the future of the sport isn't something you just give someone a go on.

But hasn’t that been the NRL’s criteria for picking CEOs thus far?

 

[adamkungl]

But hasn’t that been the NRL’s criteria for picking CEOs thus far?

Well, 6 wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Fangs]

Depends which angle you look at it from. In 1988 we didn't even make the finals (lost a playoff for 5th). In '89 we didn't win a final. We didn't win a finals match until 1990. Whereas in 2014-2016-2017-2018 we won finals each time. This is an unbroken sequence of 3 yrs and its not yet round 7.

True but its the only other comparable era.

You could look at 03-04 but it came and went so fast.

 

[TheFrog]

Partly because he's publicly stated he doesn't want the job and partly because the future of the sport isn't something you just give someone a go on.

Rather than make him CEO, which would be a bit much for him, create a position concerned with the future direction of the game. This seems to be where he is very strong, in vision. Allow him to remain at Nine, but make him aware now that he's writing columns again that what he writes will be regarded as the opinion of the NRL.

 

[Tiger5150]

Wests Tigers took the money and settled the matter then and there. You lot are just going to have to get over it. .

To the extent that I can speak for other Tigers fans, Im pretty sure that we are over it. Watching what a proper premiership winning coach is doing with the pretty average squad compared to watching what Cleary is doing with your superstars makes us feel that we have dodged a bullet, let alone the satisfaction of the ethical and moral high ground.

My post was merely pointing out the exposition of the truth and the hypocrisy of all the previous bleating.

You were quite happy to poach the halfback we'd been developing since he was a kid.

The Tigers were trying to sign the halfback that you had been developing since he was a kid....when his current contract was finished. If you cant see the difference, I cant help you.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

I agree. The last time Penrith had sustained success on field happened from 1988-1991:

1988: 5th
1989: 2nd
1990: 3rd (Grand finalist)
1991: 1st (Premiers)

Gould happened to be there for half of it as well.

In 1986 he pretty much capt coached a Souths team to 2nd place behind Para by 1 pt.

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

John, Because you replied at midnight, I'll go easy on you.
Read my message that you quoted, and then tell me where I mention Parra or any new stadium.
I did mention ground in " worship the ground they walk on"
I hope you are "all there" enough not to be confused by that.
But yes, Parra did play well at the new stadium.

Thanks for taking it easy on me Ross, I appreciate that.
I've noticed that you deal in subtle humour and thought you might have got the play on words between wankfest and Bankwest which is the only ground IMo worth worshiping.
It is true that I had had a few when i posted that and It's not as funny in the cold light of day.
I'll pull my finger out and try to do better next time.

 

[Perth Red]

Rather than make him CEO, which would be a bit much for him, create a position concerned with the future direction of the game. This seems to be where he is very strong, in vision. Allow him to remain at Nine, but make him aware now that he's writing columns again that what he writes will be regarded as the opinion of the NRL.

They tried that with Richardson, it didn't eventuate into anything. Gus's ideas would be far too radical for a self confessed non visionary like Greenberg

 

[tumbidragon]

Can only hope he has as much success as Mary i guess.

Weak bruh... Why you gota cut so deep?

 

[The Rosco]

Thanks for taking it easy on me Ross, I appreciate that.
I've noticed that you deal in subtle humour and thought you might have got the play on words between wankfest and Bankwest which is the only ground IMo worth worshiping.
It is true that I had had a few when i posted that and It's not as funny in the cold light of day.
I'll pull my finger out and try to do better next time.

Mate, I'm not going to say anything about Bankwest stadium. It looks great, but it was the scene of much devastation as a WT fan the other day. I'm nearly over it ( lie ). I do like wankbest. I used it over the weekend but was careful to pay credit to " some bloke on the forum" I shall be more specific from here. Credit where credit is due.
I hate Parramatta this week. Next week, we should have another chat. From one subtle humorist to another ! All good mate !

 

[bad boy bubby]

Undermined Murray and Stuart at the Roosters?! ROFLMAO. He was not even involved with the Roosters when Murray was coaching there. Fact is some of the players fell out with Murray about things on the field, and the jeckyll and hyde type performances on field didn't help his cause, especially in 2001. We could win one week by around 20 points, then lose the next week by a similar margin. My club has a hard nosed board.

As to Ricky, he undermined himself. Gus left the Roosters years before Stuart did. Stuart's problem was not using his interchange properly (e.g. 2003 Grand Final, Ned Catic played a whole 7 minutes), he rarely blooded any youngsters, and he never adequately filled wholes in the side when players left or retired (e.g. Jason Cayless and Brad Fittler). Fact is Ricky got full control, including over recruitment and retention, which is why Arthur Beetson walked out of the club when he did. Stuart stuffed the club up and left it in a mess.

I remember at the time of Murray being let go it was reported that Nick sought Goulds advice on what should be done to improve the club. It was also reported that he advised to get rid of Murray and install Stuart as coach. The next season Gould was back with the Roosters.
I have no idea how it panned out, I doubt if any on here do either, but it was reported this way. Some may take it as gospel.
We all know that "reported" could mean anything made up.
Not having a go at you at all here either btw.
The Panthers are in a better place now then before Gould got there.
That says enough.

 

[kbw]

Can you give examples?

Listen to anything he says on CH9 or anything he writes in the paper

 

[kbw]

Undermined Murray and Stuart at the Roosters?! ROFLMAO. He was not even involved with the Roosters when Murray was coaching there. Fact is some of the players fell out with Murray about things on the field, and the jeckyll and hyde type performances on field didn't help his cause, especially in 2001. We could win one week by around 20 points, then lose the next week by a similar margin. My club has a hard nosed board.

As to Ricky, he undermined himself. Gus left the Roosters years before Stuart did. Stuart's problem was not using his interchange properly (e.g. 2003 Grand Final, Ned Catic played a whole 7 minutes), he rarely blooded any youngsters, and he never adequately filled wholes in the side when players left or retired (e.g. Jason Cayless and Brad Fittler). Fact is Ricky got full control, including over recruitment and retention, which is why Arthur Beetson walked out of the club when he did. Stuart stuffed the club up and left it in a mess.

they are my club too. But believe me Gould had things going on. The players fell out with Murray not on a personal level, but because Gould had the ears of some of the senior players. don't believe for one minute he was not around the club during the Murray years
Yes Stuart was to an extent his own worst enemy but there was still plenty of interference that did not help