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Goodbye Mt Smart, hello North Shore

Rich102

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Stop f**king crying ya sooks!!

Why the f**king hell should rate payers stump up anything for a private entity like the Warriors.

It's f**king shameful that the likes of the butch are suggesting they do.

If the Warriors want to stay at Mt Smart... How about Eric Watson buy it from the council.

Warriors fans need to realise that the Warriors DONT own Mt Smart stadium... They don't have a devine right to stay there...

As far as I am aware the Warriors are not asking ratepayers to stump up to support them. They pay a rental for the stadium that is set by a valuer.
They just want the stadium upgraded and they will pay a higher rental.
Happens all over the city with commercial property all the time.
End of the day the council ends up with a more valuable stadium paid for by the Warriors - as opposed to Eden Park where the RU are not paying any more for the improvements.
 

Rich102

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The other interesting point is Robert Domm is due to retire in December. Who better for the council get to dip their toes in the water with this idea?
League supporters need to get a petition going targeting Len Brown's re-election. Isn't he supposed to be a left-wing working class man of the people. Some of these people soon forget who put them in power.
 

shiznit

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As far as I am aware the Warriors are not asking ratepayers to stump up to support them. They pay a rental for the stadium that is set by a valuer.
They just want the stadium upgraded and they will pay a higher rental.
Happens all over the city with commercial property all the time.
End of the day the council ends up with a more valuable stadium paid for by the Warriors - as opposed to Eden Park where the RU are not paying any more for the improvements.
Paying extra rent means nothing to the council because it makes no sense to upgrade Mr Smart.

They are tenants... If they are unhappy they can move out and go somewhere else... Or fund there own stadium.

But of course we all know the Warriors would never put it on the line and fund it themselves... They want everyone else to take the risk for them...
 

shiznit

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The other interesting point is Robert Domm is due to retire in December. Who better for the council get to dip their toes in the water with this idea?
League supporters need to get a petition going targeting Len Brown's re-election. Isn't he supposed to be a left-wing working class man of the people. Some of these people soon forget who put them in power.
Yeah good luck with that... I could imagine trying to make that argument to ratepayers...

If you take out the RL vs RU bullshit... It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to upgrade Mt Smart.

If it was a private company like SKYTV that were making demands like this you lot would be outraged.
 

JJ

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Only a tiny proportion of eligible voters voted last time - much worse than the general election. And that showed that you don't annoy the largely silent, middle class, conservative majority...

The Warriors are (so the rhetoric goes) a successful business... the landlord has ideas the Warriors don't like, so the Warriors are left with choices.

I am a league fan and a rate payer - f**ked if I want my rates contributing to that, sooner have some cut services reinstated
 

sup42

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The best support the Warriors have ever enjoyed is at Eden Park during the nines.

The players winning games....that's where responsibility lies regarding the loss of Mt Smart.

It serves them bloody well right that the council is prepared to mess with them.

This has been the worst era of Warriors losses and they are reaping what they sow.

Were they a top four NRL team the Council wouldn't dream of messing around with the eighteen thousand ticket sale average that sought of success would halve bred.

But no....they are a lower eight franchise in their comp and not even the national sport.....so Mt Smart is out.

The sooner fans wake up and smell the coffee and accept they have no say in this the sooner we can move on in the minds of the supporters.
 
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Rich102

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The proposal to relocate the Warriors to North Harbour Stadium is likely to cause a conflict at council level, with one councillor saying it would be a "bridge too far".

As reported in yesterday's New Zealand Herald, the RFA have revealed plans for the Warriors to move over the bridge, into a refurbished North Harbour Stadium.

RFA chief executive Robert Domm said "the [Council has] given us the green light to start drilling down into the detail and start negotiating with people".

But a leading Auckland Councillor has questioned the viability of the plan, and says it's news to him.

"I have never heard about this North Shore arrangement for the Warriors," said councillor Cameron Brewer. "I've only ever heard of the proposal of them moving to Eden Park.



"I think it's probably a bridge too far expecting Warriors fans to head to the North Shore. Robert Domm has done a very hard job well but moving the Warriors to old, middle-class North Shore and hoping their fans will follow like lambs is a big call."

Domm remains confident he can achieve council support on the emotion-charged issue.

"A few months ago the message from the council was that they wanted us to get on with it," Domm said. "I think we will have support within council. Those who say they are against it need to let the process run its course. All we are doing is offering a series of options. People need to think regionally. That was the aim of the Super City."

The RFA have estimated it will cost around $70 million to future-proof Mt Smart Stadium. Work is needed on both grandstands, as well as other parts of the facility, which was redeveloped for the 1990 Commonwealth Games. But Brewer strongly disputes the high figure.

"None of us believe you need to spend $70 million on Mt Smart," Brewer said. "Yes, it's tired but surely what's actually needed can be achieved for much less money."

Warriors chief executive Wayne Scurrah is also mystified by the large amount.

"We have never asked for or insisted on a $70 million upgrade of Mt Smart Stadium," Scurrah said. "I have no idea where that figure has come from."

Warriors co-owner Eric Watson vehemently believes the Warriors need to stay in their spiritual home of Mt Smart Stadium and will fight any move to relocate them.

"They would be forcing us out of our stadium," he has said.

"You can't force sporting organisations to bend to your will. To do things that are not right for the business, stakeholders, players and fans. I can't see them doing that."

Brewer has also taken a shot at Len Brown, accusing the mayor of "abandoning the club".

"The mayor has supposedly been a huge Warriors fan, even travelling to Australia to support them in the NRL. However, on this occasion he seems to be the ultimate fairweather friend. He needs to now come out of hiding and give his view. He seems to have abandoned the club when they are most in need."

The North Harbour idea may seem like a bolt out of the blue, but it coincides with the RFA taking over the running of the Albany stadium in May this year. They have also purchased 11,000 temporary seats for next year's Fifa Under-20 World Cup and they will need to be used beyond the tournament which finishes in late June.

Domm claims North Harbour has many upsides. He points out it has averaged 17,000 for Super Rugby games and that, for a modest investment, can be turned into a "world-class facility".

"Heading into the future, one stadium has to give. The current situation is untenable," said Domm. "In terms of Mt Smart, you can't justify a business case for such spending on just one arena. Auckland has to change. Eden Park is not ICC compliant, speedway at Western Springs are restricted to just 12 events and the Warriors are playing in an ageing facility and average around 13,000 per week when the NRL wants them to be at 20,000."
 

Rich102

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Bring the discussions into the light instead of behind closed doors and we might get some sense.
Domm is beating his own drum. Dromgo.
 

Benek

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Warriors are playing in an ageing facility and average around 13,000 per week when the NRL wants them to be at 20,000.

So, alienating all their current fans to move to the North Shore is going to help increase ticket sales?

I think doing whatever it takes to make a successful winning team is what creates ticket sales. It has nothing to do with the size or age of the venue.
 

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Yeah good luck with that... I could imagine trying to make that argument to ratepayers...

If you take out the RL vs RU bullshit... It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to upgrade Mt Smart.

If it was a private company like SKYTV that were making demands like this you lot would be outraged.

How many NRL teams, Super15 or Aleague clubs own there own stadiums?

The Warriors have basically kept Mt Smart afloat - they have been the major PAYING tenant, of course they deserve to have a say on where their future is.

You seem to have a major bee in your bonnet about the council paying - but all of the options mean the council paying huge amounts.

+ all major stadiums (outside of huge $$$ sporting leagues) operate out of council/government owned stadiums. Look at AAMI in Melbourne, Suncorp etc etc
 

Penrose Warrior

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North Shore..I was going to call North Shore residents fickle, but that infers they give a shit. Which they don't.

Nth Harbour Stadium averages 17k for Super Rugby, and that's probably an average over 2 games per season. How many do Harbour get, 300?

What a f**king disaster this will be.

Bad year for Warriors on the Shore = 8k average crowd.

Seriously, our fan base is a heavily South Auckland-centric one. How long is it going to take them to get to North Shore and back? 3 hrs?

Woeful.
 

TheDalek079

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could the warriors not use all this as some kind of bargaining tool? They will go to Eden Park but have a list of demands, like cheap seating/membership to get more people into the ground?
 

shiznit

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How many NRL teams, Super15 or Aleague clubs own there own stadiums?

The Warriors have basically kept Mt Smart afloat - they have been the major PAYING tenant, of course they deserve to have a say on where their future is.

You seem to have a major bee in your bonnet about the council paying - but all of the options mean the council paying huge amounts.

+ all major stadiums (outside of huge $$$ sporting leagues) operate out of council/government owned stadiums. Look at AAMI in Melbourne, Suncorp etc etc
The thing I have a bee in my bonnet about is the idea that the council spend money on a shithole of a stadium... When there's a far better, far more modern and underused stadium up the road. A stadium which received a massive amount of funding by both central and local governments.

It's an outrageous waste of money. Money which could be spent on other essential services

If roles were reversed and they had decided to upgrade mt smart stadium for the rugby world cup and now the NZRU wanted to get funding to upgrade eden park... I would feel exactly the same.
 

Juju

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The thing I have a bee in my bonnet about is the idea that the council spend money on a shithole of a stadium... When there's a far better, far more modern and underused stadium up the road. A stadium which received a massive amount of funding by both central and local governments.

It's an outrageous waste of money. Money which could be spent on other essential services

If roles were reversed and they had decided to upgrade mt smart stadium for the rugby world cup and now the NZRU wanted to get funding to upgrade eden park... I would feel exactly the same.

Problem being the council don't actually own Eden Park?

The Warrior bear the brunt of this b/s.

We're being fed lies that mt smart will cost $70m to upgrade and that QBE will only cost $12m (it quite clearly does not have the corporate facilities mt smart does)

There are other agenda's at play here and the warriors seem to be at the bottom of the totem pole.
 

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With all these figures getting thrown around, $70m, $12m and any other number that the Council and their advises are pulling out of their ass, not to mention media and anyone inbetween, what would a reconfigure of the stadim cost to make it a true rectangle ground? I realise it's not going to happen so soon after the money spent up to the RWC2011 but if the EP Trust/ARC were to stump up cash to move the grandstand/s in or before (say) 2020 if the Warriors moved their before 2018 would that be viable?

It's been said before but what a shit decision it was to upgrade EP
 
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