Gotham

[T.S Quint]

Watched it last night and actually really liked it, must say when it comes to tv shows DC is on top.

Considering Marvel only has Agents of Shield to compare to, I'd say it's not that hard for DC/WB to be on top.

But I am looking forward to the new Daredevil series coming soon.
Hoping they do a Punisher one as well.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Quite liked the first episode, looking forward to more.

Saw the ad channel 9 was running for it, you could be forgiven for thinking it's a show about Bruce, and not Gordon. :lol:

The last scene in the ad where Bruce drops to his knees and screams, ch 9 must've edited out his dead parents lying next to him

 

[Pugzley]

Either that or he returns to the scene of the crime in a later episode.

 

[mackdadday]

I think Bullock is a bit more complicated then just a corrupt cop. He seems kind of reluctant to be so.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Either that or he returns to the scene of the crime in a later episode.

Maybe, but all the scenes from the promo which started airing last week come from the pilot which incidentally aired last week.

 

[edabomb]

I lasted 10 minutes. Horrible acting, writing and cinematography.

A kid's parents have just been shot and within 5 minutes you are going to attempt to give him some epic lecture about being strong? And then he is going to run into the arms of his butler?

SMH.

 

[Joker's Wild]

He is a freakin kid after all

 

[edabomb]

He is a freakin kid after all

Haha - I was over eager to rant. I consider myself a decent Batman fan - but I will be very surprised if this lasts more than two seasons. I will check back in if I hear it improves.

 

[natheel]

I lasted 10 minutes. Horrible acting, writing and cinematography.

A kid's parents have just been shot and within 5 minutes you are going to attempt to give him some epic lecture about being strong? And then he is going to run into the arms of his butler?

SMH.

You clearly haven't seen or read much batman. Alfred and Gordon are key parts to Bruce growing up to being the man he becomes. Establishing that close relationship quickly between Alfred and Bruce and Bruce and Jim needed to be quick or else it would pretty much engulf half the show. This is meant to show how Gotham needed a vigilante and the under world of Gotham

 

[Qld-Sharkie]

Average first episode. Unlike other tv shows which grabbed me from the first few minutes, Breaking Bad, Ray Donovan, Hell on Wheels.

Will give it one or two more episodes but it needs something special other than that first one.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Some of the characters shown were a little too in your face for lack of a better word.

Like Poison Ivy's house had a million plants, or the Riddler already communicating in nothing but riddles, it was just too obvious. Next episode they might have Bruce with a pet bat or the Joker dressed as a clown in a circus.

The only one done well was Penguin I thought

 

[some11]

Average first episode. Unlike other tv shows which grabbed me from the first few minutes, Breaking Bad, Ray Donovan, Hell on Wheels.

That's because they're slow burners that have proper character development.

Introducing 50 one dimensional characters in the first episode immediately tells you what type of half baked series this will be.

 

[Misanthrope]

Meh, I enjoyed the first episode fine. It wasn't amazing, but the cinematography felt more like watching a movie than a TV series on Fox. Some great shots and a very gritty, comic book feel to it.

Agree that introducing Ivy and Riddler so early seems a bit silly, although I like the casting for Nygma. Penguin getting a mini arc was pleasant as well, but it would have been stronger had we not also bumped heads with a few other future villains as well.

Really like Donal Logue as Bullock, and I thoughr Jada Pinkett-Smith was a lot of fun as Fish Mooney. As far as I can see, she's been made up for the show.

That last point is good, because we can't exactly have Gordon defeating the likes of The Penguin, The Riddler, Poison Ivy etc before Batman even comes onto the scene. It's been said elsewhere, but the show's premise puts itself in a bit of a hole:

Either Gordon fights this villains and defeats them, rendering Batman's existence pointless.

These villains don't emerge until Batman arrives, making it seem like Batman is the catalyst for their creation.

I daresay Gordon's feuds will be with minor villains like Fish Mooney and co, rather than supervillains. It's a shame, though, as I reckon most fans are more excited to see their favourite villains than they are to see Batman or Jim Gordon.

 

[edabomb]

You clearly haven't seen or read much batman. Alfred and Gordon are key parts to Bruce growing up to being the man he becomes. Establishing that close relationship quickly between Alfred and Bruce and Bruce and Jim needed to be quick or else it would pretty much engulf half the show. This is meant to show how Gotham needed a vigilante and the under world of Gotham

I would have been fine with that relationship building being done in the office - similar to how it was done in the Nolan trilogy. It just seemed like Script Writing 101 to me - we need to establish this relationship quickly so let's do it at the scene of the crime and in a two minute monologue by Commissioner Gordon....

The ten minutes I managed reminded me of the Blade TV show. Critical reaction seems good though.

 

[Eddie Lab]

Meh, I enjoyed the first episode fine. It wasn't amazing, but the cinematography felt more like watching a movie than a TV series on Fox. Some great shots and a very gritty, comic book feel to it.

Agree that introducing Ivy and Riddler so early seems a bit silly, although I like the casting for Nygma. Penguin getting a mini arc was pleasant as well, but it would have been stronger had we not also bumped heads with a few other future villains as well.

Really like Donal Logue as Bullock, and I thoughr Jada Pinkett-Smith was a lot of fun as Fish Mooney. As far as I can see, she's been made up for the show.

That last point is good, because we can't exactly have Gordon defeating the likes of The Penguin, The Riddler, Poison Ivy etc before Batman even comes onto the scene. It's been said elsewhere, but the show's premise puts itself in a bit of a hole:

Either Gordon fights this villains and defeats them, rendering Batman's existence pointless.

These villains don't emerge until Batman arrives, making it seem like Batman is the catalyst for their creation.

I daresay Gordon's feuds will be with minor villains like Fish Mooney and co, rather than supervillains. It's a shame, though, as I reckon most fans are more excited to see their favourite villains than they are to see Batman or Jim Gordon.

isn't that a big part of Batman/TDK series? a lot of the Jokers dialog is how they can't exist without each other.

I do see your point on if Gordon beats all these young batman villains it makes batman unnecessary.

 

[Game_Breaker]

I would have been fine with that relationship building being done in the office - similar to how it was done in the Nolan trilogy. It just seemed like Script Writing 101 to me - we need to establish this relationship quickly so let's do it at the scene of the crime and in a two minute monologue by Commissioner Gordon....

The ten minutes I managed reminded me of the Blade TV show. Critical reaction seems good though.

At the end of the DKR, Batman specifically mentions how Gordon comforted him after his parents were murdered saying a hero could be anyone even the simple act of comforting him was "heroic"

 

[Misanthrope]

isn't that a big part of Batman/TDK series? a lot of the Jokers dialog is how they can't exist without each other.

I do see your point on if Gordon beats all these young batman villains it makes batman unnecessary.

Oh, I like the logic of it. The villains only become super villains when a super hero means that regular villains just won't cut it anymore. I love that concept.

Not sure who Jim Gordon is supposed to tangle with if we're never going to see him bring down the likes of Penguin, The Joker, Bane etc.

It almost makes you wish they took a Smallville-esque creative turn and had Bruce Wayne as a teenager who starts his super heroism a little earlier. At least then you'd have some money clashes to sell the show on.

 

[DB]

At the end of the DKR, Batman specifically mentions how Gordon comforted him after his parents were murdered saying a hero could be anyone even the simple act of comforting him was "heroic"

He specifically mentions when Gordon gave 'a young boy' his jacket.

 

[natheel]

I would have been fine with that relationship building being done in the office - similar to how it was done in the Nolan trilogy. It just seemed like Script Writing 101 to me - we need to establish this relationship quickly so let's do it at the scene of the crime and in a two minute monologue by Commissioner Gordon....

The ten minutes I managed reminded me of the Blade TV show. Critical reaction seems good though.

judging by the second episode the relationship will be developed further obviously. I'm enjoying it. I admit the acting isn't great

 

[natheel]

Oh, I like the logic of it. The villains only become super villains when a super hero means that regular villains just won't cut it anymore. I love that concept.

Not sure who Jim Gordon is supposed to tangle with if we're never going to see him bring down the likes of Penguin, The Joker, Bane etc.

It almost makes you wish they took a Smallville-esque creative turn and had Bruce Wayne as a teenager who starts his super heroism a little earlier. At least then you'd have some money clashes to sell the show on.

I think Gordon's biggest rival is Falcone and Mooney (developed specifically for this show)