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Greg Inglis: 18 mths good behaviour bond for mid range DUI, speeding offences

Willie Ray

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Its laughable that being stripped of the captaincy was deemed as punishment in the eyes of the magistrate when, in the real world, it carries little significance. I mean, what is the deterrent to stop him doing it again?

You then get a tradie charged and convicted(rightly, because he was DUI)and his punishment hampers him to at least make him stop & think before trying it on again.

The Inglis defence: is your client the captain of the Kangaroos?
Georgina Mitchell16 January 2019 — 12:05am


A man has been disqualified from driving for three months after his lawyer compared his drink-driving case to that of NRL superstar Greg Inglis.

Steven Said Kazzi, 40, was pulled over for a random breath test in the early hours of October 23, 2018 after police saw his Toyota Hilux driving along the Princes Highway at Banksia.

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NRL star Greg Inglis outside the Downing Centre Local Court on January 14. CREDIT:AAP

It was "immediately apparent" that he was "well affected" by alcohol, according to police facts, with red eyes and slurred speech.

Mr Kazzi, who admitted to drinking eight scotches between 5pm and 2am, was taken to Kogarah Police Station where he returned a blood-alcohol reading of 0.116.


He was charged with mid-range drink driving and pleaded guilty.

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On Tuesday, as Mr Kazzi was sentenced at Sutherland Local Court, his solicitor Rana Saab invoked the case of Mr Inglis.

Mr Inglis, who was caught speeding at 99km/h in an 80km/h zone while driving with a blood-alcohol level of .085 in October last year, was not convicted on Monday when he was sentenced to an 18-month community release order.

In sentencing Mr Inglis, Chief Magistrate Graeme Henson acknowledged the footballer's community work and the "punishment" of him being stripped of his Kangaroos captaincy.


Ms Saab brought up Mr Inglis's case as she argued her client should not be subject to a mandatory interlock order - which requires a breath-testing device to be connected to his car - because he is a mechanic and drives a variety of cars as part of his job.

Magistrate Philip Stewart dismissed the Inglis comparison, saying each case is decided on its subjective circumstances.

Magistrate Philip Stewart dismissed the Inglis comparison

He asked if Mr Kazzi is an Aboriginal former captain of the Kangaroos who has performed charity work. Ms Saab responded that he was not.

Mr Kazzi was fined $900, disqualified from driving for three months, and had a conviction recorded.


He must have an interlock device fitted on his car for 12 months when he is permitted to drive again.

Mr Kazzi has appealed to the District Court, arguing the penalty is too severe.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...captain-of-the-kangaroos-20190115-p50rhz.html
Absolute bullsh*t....no other way to put it.
 

Timmah

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Did he really cop any meaningful employment based penalty though? I guess it can be argued he lost match fees for representing Australia but the ARLC aren't his employer and playing for Australia isn't a guarantee of his employment.

I don't think any logical person would want to remove judge discretion and the treatment of each person on a case by case basis but I do find it completely ridiculous that a magistrate (albeit not the one who heard Greg's case) imposed a tougher penalty on a similar incident and when the defence attorney brought up Greg's case effectively said that the defendant wasn't of the correct race, profile and community stature to escape conviction.
Having the captaincy of a nation and not being permitted to play in two international fixtures is a fairly serious punishment I'd have thought.

As I've said previously I'd have been more comfortably with a club-based penalty early this season and perhaps standing him down from All Stars as well but I think national captaincy being stripped is meaningful.

As for the other case, I wouldn't characterise them as 'similar incidents' apart from the fact they were both DUI in the mid range. Kazzi's reading was higher, he was caught in the early hours of the morning and was demonstrably drunk when caught. None of which make Inglis' actions ok, but I can easily see why the judge threw out the "Inglis defence" as a load of B.S.
 

mave

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None of which make Inglis' actions ok, but I can easily see why the judge threw out the "Inglis defence" as a load of B.S.

Agreed.
The Inglis defence is a load of BS.

Seeing as though it worked for Inglis, it will no doubt be used as precedent for the cases of hundreds of other poor schmucks that wont get off as lightly as GI.
 

Exsilium

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If someone had already had a work-based punishment (demotion or denial of promotion for example) after being charged but prior to sentencing, chances are it would be a factor in the judges decision (or at the very least form part of the defence put to the court).

Also, the deterrent to stop him doing it again is that he's on a Good Behaviour Bond which means any f**k-ups in the next 18 months will mean he doesn't avoid conviction (and for what it's worth, I believe it was a pissweak sentence particularly when compared to what Elliott and Fine got for what most would consider less serious offences).

Are you advocating for society to remove judge's discretion and just apply the same mandatory sentence to all persons for all crimes committed regardless of circumstance?

Is there not minimum sentencing which applies to DUI offences that should have applied? irrespective of whether he’s an aboriginal football player who does community work?

His circumstance was that he was driving from a community football tournament, whilst still under the influence and speeding.

We’re talking about two of the most publicised issues, drinking and speeding, he did both.
 

Timmah

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Agreed.
The Inglis defence is a load of BS.

Seeing as though it worked for Inglis, it will no doubt be used as precedent for the cases of hundreds of other poor schmucks that wont get off as lightly as GI.
What punishment should Todd give to Inglis do you think?

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Timmah

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Is there not minimum sentencing which applies to DUI offences that should have applied? irrespective of whether he’s an aboriginal football player who does community work?

His circumstance was that he was driving from a community football tournament, whilst still under the influence and speeding.

We’re talking about two of the most publicised issues, drinking and speeding, he did both.
I don't think there's minimum sentencing no, otherwise he would have had a conviction recorded.
 

_Johnsy

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What will be interesting is seeing what Mal "the games given me nothing" Meninga does. If he re-installs GI as Cpt it will give a great insight to MM's character, if any.
 

Timmah

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What will be interesting is seeing what Mal "the games given me nothing" Meninga does. If he re-installs GI as Cpt it will give a great insight to MM's character, if any.
You'd like to think Cordner hasn't done anything to warrant losing the captaincy, but who knows.
 

Rhino_NQ

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What will be interesting is seeing what Mal "the games given me nothing" Meninga does. If he re-installs GI as Cpt it will give a great insight to MM's character, if any.
Well if GI didn’t get given it back it would be racist wouldn’t it
 

firechild

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Could you imagine the uproar if a magistrate suggested that one of the factors in leniency was that the defendant was white? The magistrate is suggesting that the fact Inglis is aboriginal was a factor in him being given leniency (admittedly not the one presiding over his case).
 
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Could you imagine the uproar if a magistrate suggested that one of the factors in leniency was that the defendant was white? The magistrate is suggesting that the fact Inglis is aboriginal was a factor in him being given leniency (admittedly not the one presiding over his case).

The grandeur of social justice.
 

Exsilium

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After 2020, Inglis better watch his speed and be more mindful of how much he drinks the night before. He may not be so lucky being a former NRL player.
 
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In case people haven't read it - https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/01/18/greg-inglis-to-retire-at-end-of-2020-season/

Thing is, rep retirement at the end of this year, then NRL retirement at the end of 2020, how sickly will the media make it with the over kill? I don't dislike Greg Inglis, but the media do go so over the top that it can turn you off someone.

They got plenty of practice talking up a finished player beyond all reason with Thurston last year.
 

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