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Griffin's tactics are rubbish

franklin2323

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Perhaps it's confirmation bias but the story isn't exactly a big leap given what we know of Griffin. Hell I labeled this thread about his tactical ability.

It may be true. How do we know the Lurker even speaks to players? Atleast the mole you know actually has contacts. It's why I don't take note of rumours
 

Pomoz

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Regardless of whether it is true or not, what does it matter if he relies on other people for the tactics? Great coaches draw on skills from other people to complement their own weaknesses. Coaching is not just tactics. Man management, selection, improving a players skills and managing the roster are all just as important. I would be more concerned if Griffin was an ego maniac and didn't use other people to help him and wouldn't listen to anybody.
 

murraymob

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the lurker asks people to give him rumours so anything he says take with a grain of salt .Even more so given a few staff are being moved on by Griffen
As fr his tactics nothing wrong with them. Mansour and DWZ both droped the ball in extra time giving the warriors chances to win the game.They hold the ball we at least get a draw
 

Kilkenny

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While the jury is still out on coach Anthony Griffin I think his performance thus far would be a B or B plus. No different to our previous coaches he had had to deal with season ending injuries to key players, the mid season releases of popular players including Taylor & Sowie to free up much needed salary cap space and not having his best or preferred 17 available for the bulk of the season. I think he has done a reasonable job. He is also stamping his mark on the club, making significant changes to our backroom staff from 2017 on which is his prerogative He has had the courage to blood quite a few of our younger players which is too his credit. His promotion of young Cleary and allowing Sowie to move on has been a resounding success. While there are negatives, which many of you have pointed out on a regular basis, he has one of the youngest and most inexperienced squads in the NRL and I think to get us to where we are now, sitting in the top 8 ( we may not finish there ) is not a bad result. While we have been fortunate to win some close one's it should also be remembered we have also lost quite a few games by small margins or in the closing stages. Given he is in his first year at the club, he has done a fair job and some of the criticism of him on here is frankly ridiculous. Decide if he really is f**ked this time two years down the track!!!!
 
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maple_69

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I think he has done a fair job with the exception of the Cartwright/Moylan thing but that's been done to death. If he can get Martin working in the squad by the end of the year he will have fast forwarded the shift of old placeholder guys (Soward, Mckendry etc) to young guys with all the talent to carry us for the next decade in one season. It was always going to have to be done, either quickly or gradually but either way it's pretty much done now and we can start to judge him on getting the best performance out of 17-22 guys over a season.
 

Bob

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Bryce Cartwright - What a champion


http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...lic_rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

IT’S always a nervous time when the club you’re at makes big changes and you don’t know quite how it’s going to pan out.

That’s what it was like when Ivan Cleary made way for Anthony Griffin at the end of last season and it took a while to get a sense for what else would change.

You hear things about Hook in the media but I can only comment on what I’ve experienced and you almost have to laugh at some of the stuff that’s out there

HOOK’S TACTICAL STYLE
There’s been some talk out there that Hook has brought in really tight structures that don’t allow us young guys to play what we see.

That couldn’t be further from the truth.

It’s actually the opposite to what you expect, and what I expected. Hook’s pretty sweet with that stuff.

I was a bit worried about getting a new coach and what was going to happen with the structure.

I knew that Ivan was pretty happy with us playing that entertaining style of footy and it’s the way I want to play.

But Hook’s come along and done the same thing. He’s more than happy for us to play what we see and play off the cuff as long as we’re completing our sets.

We’re enjoying it and I’m glad we’ve got the same styles
THE MASSIVE CALLS
It’s never nice to lose teammates when you’re in the middle of what you’re hoping will be a successful season but these things sometimes happen in a professional environment.

Having Chicko and Sowie move on was a bit of a shock when it first happened and it was pretty upsetting at the time but once you understand the reasons you start to come to grips with it.

Chicko had been injured and Peter Wallace came in at hooker and did an outstanding job.

That move was good for the balance of our team and Chicko was going to find it hard to break back in, so his departure kind of made sense for everyone
Then you’ve got Sowie and we’ve all seen now how good a player Nathan Cleary is. Hook wanted to get him in and give him an opportunity and Sowie had the chance to go overseas and understood it’s a business.

In saying that, I will always have a lot of respect for those two guys and what they did for my game.

They helped me out a lot when I was coming through in my debut year, and even in the past two seasons they were a big part of improving and keeping the team together.

You can’t underestimate how hard those calls would have been for Hook to let two quality players like those two go.

But now I can see why Hook made those calls that he did and it’s working out for us at the moment.
ORIGIN DISAPPOINTMENT
Obviously there was a lot of talk around that I might get my shot for NSW this year and I felt I was in pretty good form around selection time.

One thing I did know was there’s so many good back-rowers in our game at the moment and a lot of them are NSW eligible, so it was never going to be a case of just walking straight in.

It was a little bit disappointing to miss out in the end but I’m only 21, I’ve got plenty of time in the future so I wasn’t too upset.

I think it’ll help me out in the long run because I had the experience of going into camp as a development player and saw where I need to get to be in that side.

Fingers crossed I’ll get a game next year.

THE FUTURE


I’m loving life at the Panthers right now and we’re definitely taking some big steps in the right direction.

There’s a lot of guys that are locked up for a bit of time and that’s going to be a great help in the way we build a team around that.

Knowing that everyone’s secure and hopefully everyone can stay fit and healthy and building the team around Nathan Cleary and Te Maire Martin which is exciting.

Not only that, we’ve got some big recruits who are seeing how things are panning out here and are coming on board, which will only make us stronger.

It’s a show of faith in Hook that guys are signing up long term
They can see a future here, and for a guy like Mez to re-sign for another couple of seasons, when he could have waited, that says a lot.

He’s a guy that can lead the boys around the park, and it’s exciting to think Jimmy Tamou is going to come on board as well.

All that makes me really excited to stick around, playing for a club I grew up supporting.

I was locked up when I was pretty young and I got injured and broke my ankle in 2014. I wanted to secure my future here when that happened especially with how badly it was broken.

I didn’t want to look anywhere else.

Like every junior, I couldn’t see myself playing at another club at the moment.

But you never know what can happen down the track. I’d love to stay here with all the young fellas coming through.
 

betcats

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Bryce is a good kid, he is on the sterlo show tomorrow night. We have no dickheads in the bunch of young guys we have in this team which is rare for footy players. Bryce, Dallin, Waqa, Yeo, Cleary, RCG, Latu, JFH they all seem like top notch people and there doesn't seem to be any problem with ego or anything like that.
 

Pomoz

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I remember Gus saying that when he recruited players during his, shall we say "journeymen period" that he was careful to pick players who would set a good example to the young players. We were all going "Ciraldo, Newton? Arrrgh". Not long after that Jennings was handing out tickets to fans aa part of his punishment for misbehaving. Jennings was our star player at the time and I don't know what a young Bryce or any other junior player would have made of that, but it would have sent a clear message about their behaviour.

Ultimately, Gus was trying to create a humble, achievement focused culture that doesn't tolerate egos. Team first. Only time will tell, but I think he may have got that bit right.
 
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Pomoz

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It seems that Merrin is very popular with the other players too and they look up to him and well they might. I think Yeo mentioned his positive influence the other day too. St George were bonkers to let him go. Just bonkers.
 

Kilkenny

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Ivan Cleary was very popular with the playing group who were disappointed apparently in his demise as you would expect.

Generally you never hear a bad word from a player about there coach (other than the West Tigers Jason Taylor / Robbie Farah situation) but from what I understand Anthony Griffin is equally popular and respected amongst the playing group.

The signing of Trent Merrin was massive for our club and he is going to deliver on and off the field for a few years to come. You do not appreciate just how good a player is until you see him week in week out. He was equally as good for the Dragons I just didn't recognise it as I wasn't paying attention to the him or the Dragons. He is an outstanding footballer and clubman.
 

TheFrog

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Funny how this thread's gone quiet.

I noticed Sterlo speaking in glowing terms of what Griffin has achieved at Penrith, his manner of communicating with players, and what he appears capable of achieving in the future.

Assuming that we have now made the finals, Griffin is the first and only coach in our 50 year history to take over a side that had missed the finals, and then make the finals in his first year. Ron Willey was unfortunate in 1988 that it was a top 5 in a 16 team comp and we landed a pretty mean Balmain side in the play off for 5th. Of course, Gus will tell you himself that he took over a side in 1990 that was almost ready to take the last step.

Hook has had to drop some extremely high profile players to do it, three ex-captains no less, and the resulting instability in the side no doubt put us behind the eight ball mid-season. You can't accuse the bloke of lacking in the gonad department. It's a crying shame he couldn't make it work with Taylor, but the other two (Soward and Segs) have proven to be for the best.
 
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Kilkenny

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Elijah Taylor was surplus to requirements. There was simply to spot for him and it would have been wrong for someone with his ability to be left in NSW Cup so the club did the right thing in allowing him to pursue opportunities elsewhere.

You have to remember Griffin inherited the nucleus of the playing group and coaching staff. It was always harsh and unreasonable to judge his performance with us after half a season in 2016.
 

chrisD

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Unlike arseing Segs and Soward, promoting Cleary, moving Cartwright to 5/8 and Wallace to hooker, all which has propelled us to our best attacking form in over a decade, casting out ET had immediate negative effects. Our middle turned to water. We seem to be improving, Merrin coming into his own and the addition of Grevsmuhl in the middle and bringing in Aukuola seems to have made a difference, but it is hard to tell given the recent games.

Titans game should be a great tester for if the loss of ET has been rectified, the Titans have the best front row in the game for scoring and creating tries.
 

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