Griffin's tactics are rubbish

[Abacus]

We beat one top 8 team in that time(Brisbane) we won 7 and lost 4. A nice record no doubt but it certainly doesnt feel like we have been the 3rd best performing team.

To clarify, my starting point was from the end of Round 13 meaning a record of 7-3 (1 bye). Losses include Warriors in GP in Auckland, understrength Sharks minus Moylan and Mansour (and with Smith), and the Tigers with Tedesco exposing Cartwright. Arguably a win against the Sharks was always going to be an uphill battle, the Warriors loss was a toss of the coin - the Tigers loss was probably the only disappointment during this period.

So, maybe the team is travelling better than we feel? Its been a long, hard 50 years supporting this club for the most part - that's sure to ingrain a certain amount of pessimism into us.

The fact is that only 2 clubs have better records than the Panthers over the second half of the year. "Coincidentally" with Cartwright at 5/8.

 

[Blade23]

Bloody hell. We are winning games- surely finals bound and people are carrying on as if we are bottom 4 and still have Elliott as coach.

 

[Abacus]

Bryce has regular brain explosions as well. I counted two behind the back flick passes in the first half yesterday when the game was still close, both resulted in turnovers. Dallin looked really good when he got a few games at FB last season, he is worth another shot imo.

I can't argue that Bryce has brain explosions. The difference as I see it is Bryce's come from trying (perhaps too hard) to create. My impression of Dallin's is that they tend to be retaliatory - getting riled up after a good hit up and dropping the ball, getting involved in push and shoves with markers, typically in our defensive half.

I agree Dallin had a couple of good matches at FB last year - I just don't think his form this season (admittedly while working back from his injury) warranted a move to FB.

 

[betcats]

Bloody hell. We are winning games- surely finals bound and people are carrying on as if we are bottom 4 and still have Elliott as coach.

No overreaction here lol wtf are you on about. If you cant handle a discussion with opinions different to your own forums are not the place for you. No one is carrying the way you make out anyway you are just talking shit.

 

[betcats]

I can't argue that Bryce has brain explosions. The difference as I see it is Bryce's come from trying (perhaps too hard) to create. My impression of Dallin's is that they tend to be retaliatory - getting riled up after a good hit up and dropping the ball, getting involved in push and shoves with markers, typically in our defensive half.

I agree Dallin had a couple of good matches at FB last year - I just don't think his form this season (admittedly while working back from his injury) warranted a move to FB.

Firstly Dallins error rate is better than a lot of good outside backs and fullbacks, hes made less errors than Mansour while playing more games for instance, Wighton, Tom Turbo,Valentine Holmes, Coote Latrell, korobeite, SKD,Oates,Rapana,Rankin,Holmes(that's just at a glance) have all made more errors than Dallin and most of them have played less minutes so id say he is fairly safe for a winger when you consider that . He is a hothead on the field no doubt but it doesn't result in penalties or errors very often imo, its just when it does it sticks out. In fact id say it wins us as many penalties as it cost us like the one against the tigers he got us.I actually like having someone with some mongrel.

I know his form has been down but he is still racking up more metres and tackle breaks than most wingers and he has actually been pretty safe, he only just turned 21 I would not be writing the kid off yet.

 

[MrBlack]

We also have the least number of injured players in the NRL right now. Only 3 players unavailable.
If it is the coaching staff's fault when they get injured surely they are entitled to a wrap right now.

 

[Blade23]

No overreaction here lol wtf are you on about. If you cant handle a discussion with opinions different to your own forums are not the place for you. No one is carrying the way you make out anyway you are just talking shit.

How am I talking shit? When I read pages of pages on here about people whining we have had easy wins over the past few weeks, rather than enjoying our wins. Or that the coach is an idiot. Despite the fact we are finals bound under him, despite the fact he saw a problem earlier in the year and he ripped out 3/4's of our spine to re-invigorate our season. Nope no credit just criticism. No wait and see how it go's just attack him now. Can't even put the criticism on hold for a week? no too much to ask. Whinge whinge instead.
I can handle discussion. I am happy to admit if I am wrong unlike others. People have different opinions thats what makes us all different. I am happy to read other peoples opinions that differ to mine when they are sensible.
One just doesn't want to read the same dribble week after week particularity when we are winning.

 

[betcats]

I was one of the main ones saying we have been beating bottom 8 teams and I have praised our performances after every win search my post history if you don't believe me, you are just making shit up and exaggerating to make your whinging seem halfway reasonable, like I said learn to deal with different opinions to your own its f**king ridiculous you blowing up like that because people have a different opinion.

 

[Abacus]

Firstly Dallins error rate is better than a lot of good outside backs and fullbacks, hes made less errors than Mansour while playing more games for instance, Wighton, Tom Turbo,Valentine Holmes, Coote Latrell, korobeite, SKD,Oates,Rapana,Rankin,Holmes(that's just at a glance) have all made more errors than Dallin and most of them have played less minutes so id say he is fairly safe for a winger when you consider that . He is a hothead on the field no doubt but it doesn't result in penalties or errors very often imo, its just when it does it sticks out. In fact id say it wins us as many penalties as it cost us like the one against the tigers he got us.I actually like having someone with some mongrel.

I know his form has been down but he is still racking up more metres and tackle breaks than most wingers and he has actually been pretty safe, he only just turned 21 I would not be writing the kid off yet.

I didn't realise that I had written him off? I thought my point was given his form and temperament this season, I would not have moved him to FB so could see why Griffin had opted for Cartwright to 5/8 instead.

Given good form, and developing the appropriate level of footy IQ, no doubt he can physically meet the requirements of FB.

 

[betcats]

Fair enough you didn't write him off but you were perpetuating the myth that he is error prone which was one of your main points as to why we were better off shifting Carty. When is the last time he has given away a penalty? It doesnt happen very often from my memory, most of his push and shove is after he plays the ball and if he was giving away penalties when we had possession he would get dropped real quick.

 

[Blade23]

I was one of the main ones saying we have been beating bottom 8 teams and I have praised our performances after every win search my post history if you don't believe me, you are just making shit up and exaggerating to make your whinging seem halfway reasonable, like I said learn to deal with different opinions to your own its f**king ridiculous you blowing up like that because people have a different opinion.

I haven't personally outed you or abused you. You are the one that can't take criticism. If you haven't said most of things I mentioned above why snap? I never outed you in my original post. You go through any thread on here over the past few weeks and find what I am talking about on Griffin or people criticising wins. It monotonous.
I am not blowing up I am just making a point. We have won 5 of the last 6 games yet most of the posts on this forum have been negative lately.
I am not the only one on here that feels this way.

 

[Panther Mick]

Agree Blade23. Its easier to criticise that praise. Look at the thread for the Tigers game 4 pages long because we won. A loss usually spands 8 - 12 pages.

 

[betcats]

I never said I didn't say any of it, in fact I just said to you that I was saying some of those things didn't I? My point is if people(myself or otherwise) want to bag the team or Griffin that is up to them. You(and others) blowing up about peoples differing opinions doesnt do anything at all and I am finding that quite monotonous, its not up to you what other people think about our performances you don't get to decide, atleast the people criticising are on topic, none of this shit is. It makes me want to bag the f**k out of Griffin just wind the PC brigade up.

 

[Abacus]

Again, I've not said he's error prone. Just not creative enough, playing well enough consistently, as well as being susceptible to niggle, to justify shifting him into FB at that time.
My argument for shifting Cartwright has been all about the best makeup of the team. In this case, at that time, Cartwright to 6 made more sense than DWZ, or anyone else we had available, to FB.
Betcats, I've got no problem with a bit of healthy debate, but if you're going to label me as perpetuating myths, you might want to get your facts straight.

 

[betcats]

Again, I've not said he's error prone. Just not creative enough, playing well enough consistently, as well as being susceptible to niggle, to justify shifting him into FB at that time.
My argument for shifting Cartwright has been all about the best makeup of the team. In this case, at that time, Cartwright to 6 made more sense than DWZ, or anyone else we had available, to FB.
Betcats, I've got no problem with a bit of healthy debate, but if you're going to label me as perpetuating myths, you might want to get your facts straight.

Ok well you literally haven't mentioned his creativity until just then and you did mention him dropping the ball as if it happens a lot, forgive me for this misunderstanding

 

[Panther Pete]

Bloody hell. We are winning games- surely finals bound and people are carrying on as if we are bottom 4 and still have Elliott as coach.

You need to take a deep breath mate and then you might realise you are whinging more than anyone on here. From what I have read people on here are being realistic when they point out we have had three great wins over teams who won't be playing in the finals. If you have trouble with that, stop reading public forums.

 

[Abacus]

Ok well you literally haven't mentioned his creativity until just then and you did mention him dropping the ball as if it happens a lot, forgive me for this misunderstanding

Mate, you're unbelievable. Wrong on both counts.

 

[betcats]

Mate, you're unbelievable. Wrong on both counts.

I just apologised you f**king muppet what the f**ks your problem??? And how am I even wrong, when have you mentioned his creativity to me???? You were literally talking about how he has retaliatory brain explosions and ends up dropping the ball, f**king nuffy go eat a dick.

 

[Blade23]

You need to take a deep breath mate and then you might realise you are whinging more than anyone on here. From what I have read people on here are being realistic when they point out we have had three great wins over teams who won't be playing in the finals. If you have trouble with that, stop reading public forums.

There is a big difference in being pessimistic than realistic.

 

[Abacus]

I just apologised you f**king muppet what the f**ks your problem??? And how am I even wrong, when have you mentioned his creativity to me???? You were literally talking about how he has retaliatory brain explosions and ends up dropping the ball, f**king nuffy go eat a dick.

Lol. Meltdown much? Feel better?