Haddin wants apology :lol:

[ozbash]

can you show me the rule where the batsman can challenge the umpire when he is given out?

If anyone doesn't know the rules it's Haddin who admitted he saw his gloves in front of the wickets and didn't call Broom back

dead right joe.

what would gilly have done ?

 

[JoeD]

I think its just a case of the batsman waiting for the umpire's decision which he is entitled to do.

ok, was there any footage of the umpire during all this? did he put up his finger or not?

 

[Batman Returns]

An interesting story from the YellowMonkey blog about an incident from Australia's 1969-70 tour of India:

Thus to the wicket-keeping incident, which occurred in the following match against South Zone at Bangalore.
Alan Connolly was bowling medium pace off-cutters to Indian off spinner Erapalli Prasanna, with Australia's reserve wicketkeeper Ray Jordon standing up to the stumps. Prasanna heaved at one of the deliveries, and after an apparently long delay, the bails fell to the ground.
Jordon claimed that Connolly had bowled Prasanna. Prasanna disagreed and stood his ground, and the umpires and other players were not offering an opinion one way or the other. However, Prasanna eventually walked after Jordon repeatedly insisted that he was out.
According to Ashley Mallett, the ball appeared to go down the leg side and then the leg stump pushed forward! Ian Chappell reported in one of his books, Long Hops and Larrikins, that Doug Walters had informed him that the ball had missed the stumps by a notable margin, bounced off Jordon's pads and back onto the stumps, with Prasanna's leg firmly rooted behind the line.
The Australians then had an altercation in the dressing room after some members, foremost among them Chappell, accused Jordon of cheating. Chappell reported that Jordon accused him of being accustomed to cheating because it was a trait of South Australians, further inflaming tensions among the tourists.

 

[Gaba]

ok, was there any footage of the umpire during all this? did he put up his finger or not?

On bowled decision the umpire do not put their finger up they arent required to make a decision its normally clear cut , watch the video footage and as you see when broom walks off you see the umpire at the bowling end talking to the non striker.

Batsman have every right to stand at the crease if they dont think they been bowled, then the umpires will have to refer it to the 3rd umpire if the batsman is uncertain of whether he was bowled

 

[Meth]

ok, was there any footage of the umpire during all this? did he put up his finger or not?

We were talking about this yesterday.

I'm not sure about the umpire; but on the video, you clearly see Broom look back inquisitively to the umpire and then walk away. Also, an article on cricinfo say that the umpires consulted and Ricky Ponting said that the umpire had given him out

 

[Twizzle]

ok, was there any footage of the umpire during all this? did he put up his finger or not?

the umpires conferred and the finger went up

dont know about any footage

 

[Gaba]

the umpires conferred and the finger went up

dont know about any footage

Actually they never , they didnt have time the batsman walked , plus they dont raise their finger on bowled decisions
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iBv4gq72p4M

You can see at 18 sec mark in the back ground the umpire talks to the non striker.

NOt once has the umpires confer with each other

 

[Tommy Smith]

It certainly was hilarious hearing Haddin ask for an apology.

If i were him i'd draw as little attention to this incident as possible because the video evidence does not lie.

Not only did Haddin have his gloves well infront of the stumps but the bails clearly do not move until the ball is in the gloves and they take them off.

He made a mistake. It was a snap decision as he had little time to think so maybe that is some semblance of an excuse.

The only other way of looking at it looks really bad for Mr haddin. So he should shut up.

And how about poor old Punter having a sook about Vettori afterwards? That was funny, too. Can you imagine Ponting doing anything but question the opposition keeper in the media had he been the victim of such obvious foul play...

 

[Meth]

and around and around we go

 

[Gaba]

We were talking about this yesterday.

I'm not sure about the umpire; but on the video, you clearly see Broom look back inquisitively to the umpire and then walk away. Also, an article on cricinfo say that the umpires consulted and Ricky Ponting said that the umpire had given him out

Look at the video again there is no where on the video did the bowling umpire moved , you can see in the back 18 seconds when the batsman was walking off , the bowling end umpire was talking to the non striker.


Ponting didnt say the truth because there is no way umpires would had time to tell the batsman anything, so when did the umpires consulted , the cric info article is reporting mistruths.


The umpires werent even looking at each other

 

[Twizzle]

Actually they never , they didnt have time the batsman walked , plus they dont raise their finger on bowled decisions
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iBv4gq72p4M

You can see at 18 sec mark in the back ground the umpire talks to the non striker.

NOt once has the umpires confer with each other

according to previously posted articles, they conferred

sometimes that can be just a nod of the head without having a mid pitch conference

the article didn't go into any detail

 

[Twizzle]

and around and around we go

and where we stop, nobody knows

 

[Gaba]

according to previously posted articles, they conferred

sometimes that can be just a nod of the head without having a mid pitch conference

the article didn't go into any detail

The articles were wrong , you can see the bowler end umpire was talking to the non striker when the batsman walked , there was no movement towards the square leg . The batsmen walked after a 2 sec hesitation

 

[Meth]

They obviously didn't have a summit about it- might have just been a 'no problems' through the mic and a nod of the head. Only Billy Bowden would cartwheel over to square leg to confer

 

[Meth]

The articles were wrong , you can see the bowler end umpire was talking ot the non striker when the batsman walked , there was no movement towards the square leg or even looking

How are you so sure?

Cricinfo is reputable

Ponting had an even better view than you

Broom definitely looks back

 

[Gaba]

How are you so sure?

Cricinfo is reputable

Ponting had an even better view than you

Broom definitely looks back

There would have been comments about it on air if the umpires nod to each other or stuff like that, there was nothing said about the umpires giving a decision

 

[HevyDevy]

Broom swept it under the carpet.

 

[Meth]

I think the evidence that they did confer in some way is much stronger and more compelling than the evidence that they didn't

 

[Gaba]

I think the evidence that they did confer in some way is much stronger and more compelling than the evidence that they didn't

Where is the strong evidence, listening to the commentary they said every one assumes it was bowled couldnt the 3rd umpire be involved or the bowling umpire steve bucknor.

So that evidence there suggest no conferring at all .

 

[JJ]

Its all pretty simple.

Broom, can't and should not challenge an umpires decision. He should walk once the decision's made. No fault there.

Umpire, didn't see the hands break the stumps rather than the ball. But decision has to be made. At full speed, in real time, nobody really questioned it. Umpire has some blame, and had a shocker.

Ponting, defends his player. Even now he knows he is wrong, or least he should. If he doesn't then he has a problem. But defend his player and shelter them as much as possible, that's his job. In private however, he should be giving haddin some advice.

Haddin, well, it happened fast. He knows he knocked the stumps. He has not long to think about it. Decides he must make the decision for the team, might have some doubt in his mind. Fine. Sees the replay, think about it and then should say, I'm wrong, sorry. But he doesn't. What a dick!

I'm over here in NZ. Kiwis win the match and give it to me. But I can take that. We'll win the next I'll tell them and we normally do, and I give twice as much back. But Haddin, behaves like that, I skulk off to the corner and pretend I didn't see the match and can't comment. What an embassment!

Excellent post