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Hagan will know his fate sooner rather than later, says Parramatta boss

El Diablo

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http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...-parramattaboss/2008/09/01/1220121137033.html

Hagan will know his fate sooner rather than later, says Parramatta boss

Greg Prichard | September 2, 2008

Michael Hagan will find out well ahead of next season's kick-off whether it will be his last as coach of Parramatta.

Eels chief executive Denis Fitzgerald said last night that the club would follow the same decision-making process as it did with previous coach Brian Smith, who was subsequently told ahead of his final year - 2006 - that his contract would not be renewed at the end of it.

"We will make a decision on whether to offer Michael an extension of his contract or whether to inform him his services won't be required beyond next season," Fitzgerald said. "Michael will be informed before the start of next season. That's the policy we adopted a while ago with our coaches, and Michael understands that."

Smith continued into the final year of his deal, but with the team performing poorly, he resigned midway through it and was replaced on a temporary basis by Jason Taylor, who managed to resurrect the team's fortunes and get them to the finals.

Hagan was subsequently appointed on a three-year deal at Parramatta, while Smith took over at Hagan's old club, Newcastle.

The Eels' board is bound to discuss the coaching position at a meeting later this month. How soon after that a call is made on Hagan remains to be seen. There is no suggestion the club will consider sacking him for next season. Even if they wanted to, they could not afford to pay him out.

Parramatta are no longer in the race to make the finals after their awful performance in losing 40-14 to St George Illawarra at ANZ Stadium on Saturday. The Eels have mostly struggled this season and Fitzgerald did not mince his words when asked for his reaction to how they finally went out.

"It [the season] has been disappointing," he said. "And it was a disappointing way to go out, with that performance against the Dragons. We haven't had many games where we could say the team played to the best of their ability this year. It didn't come together very well."

Parramatta finished last year's regular season in fifth position and won their first two games of the finals series to make it through to the second-last week, when they were beaten by eventual premiers Melbourne. That result was obviously good for Hagan's reputation.

The decline this year - the Eels are in 10th place going into the final round - and the fact Hagan won't get the chance to coach them again before a decision is made on his long-term future obviously hurts his chances of getting a new contract with the club.

But, when asked if Hagan's cards were as good as marked by those circumstances, Fitzgerald replied: "No, and I wouldn't like to see it portrayed that way. There will be a lot of discussion before any decision is made. The management will do a review of the season and we will have a chat with Michael as part of that."

Meanwhile, Penrith chief executive Mick Leary said last night he and the club's chairman, Barry Walsh, had decided they did not want to be drawn into any further discussion on their future of their coach, Matthew Elliott.

Elliott is also coming to the end of the second year of a three-year term and the Panthers have also been knocked out of the running for the finals, after losing 42-20 to the Warriors at Mt Smart Stadium on Sunday.

"I spoke to the chairman today and we decided we did not want to say any more about it," Leary said. "There has already been enough talk. Any more of it would just be unsettling."
 

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Why do I have a bad feeling about all this?
Even if they are going to get rid of him - is this REALLY the best way to put it out there?


Denis - ffs - get a real job. On the door of Peter Wynns Score would be a start.

Suity
 

El Diablo

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Why do I have a bad feeling about all this?
Even if they are going to get rid of him - is this REALLY the best way to put it out there?


Denis - ffs - get a real job. On the door of Peter Wynns Score would be a start.

Suity

well i read Hagan wanted it that way in his contract. i have no idea why they areed to do it that way for him though
 

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It's a fixed term three year contract, like most people you'd want to know a year out if it was going to be extended by your employer, especially in this business.

Smith's last deal at Parra was a five year fixed contract, and he chucked a paddy when he found out it wouldn't be automatically extended. Delusions of an ongoing tenure ragrdless of performance? Perhaps.

Difference being Hagan saw how Parra handled that, and wanted to ensure the same period of notice that the club gave Smith, so that he can sort his future out for 2010 in the off-season, before fulfilling the final year of his contract. I've got no dramas with it as a concept, so long as the personalities involved can handle it.

Here's hoping that Hagan can get the players focussed for his final year and more like they were in 2007 than they were this year... and that he doesn't do a Smithy and start to lose the plot around the joint upon hearing the news, which didn't seem to boost the team's form any in early 2006.
 

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I've been a harsh critic this season but I've also always said a coach MUST have three years to put his systems into place and recruit the players to fit in with his vision.

Unfortunately I don't see any positives about 2009.

Worse still, the fact that Jarrod Anderson was sacked doesn't bode well for the coach many of us would like.

Still, all coaches need three years so there we go - one more year to come.
 

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I really dont see anything changing next year if Hagen stays.

With the roster we had this year, we should have at least made the finals

Next
 

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Absolutely nothing new in that article that we didn't already know but it still makes for very interesting reading, however one thing that will be intriguing is that whilst we're aware of Hagans fate beyond next year, will the Emperor go off half cocked again and sign a coach without the process of interviewing potential candadates? and as Hevy has indicated, where does that leave us with the most obvious replacement out of all this given that his brother was retrenched from the club 2 weeks ago and a day before his wife gave birth to a baby boy and the fact that Daniel Anderson has now been heavily linked to Penrith for next season.

so let me take my crystal ball out for a moment.

I honestly think whilst the issue will be discussed at the next board meeting it won't be until the October board meeting that Hagan's fate will be stamped in ink and he will be told by November 1 I then believe Fitzy will pesure an assistant coach to work with Hagan next season before he takes over and will look at a young and up and coming coach and for that reason I don't see him being a current NRL coach so if I had to make a prediction of the potential candadates then I believe these 3 could well be linked to our club before a final decision is made.

Shane Flanagan
Stephen Kearney
Matt Cameron

( or any past contracted player from the Western Reds lol)

firstly, i see a rookie coach being a viable option as it'll be easier on the bank balance than it would if we tried to get an established and highly credential'd coach like Stuart or Bellamy also after recent events and restructuring of the football club which saw the retrenchment and the resignation of several personal, Fitzy in his wisdom has a developed a sudden fetish to hire within which is the reason why Matt Cameron, who's been part of our system for several years could be an obvious choice.

in saying that I believe a decision on the 2010 coach will be made by the AGM which I think is December 17 (correct me if I'm wrong}

Just bare in mind that I don't necesarily agree with the above prediction i just think that's the way our noble dictator will run with.

let's see if it comes to fruition.
 
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I've been a harsh critic this season but I've also always said a coach MUST have three years to put his systems into place and recruit the players to fit in with his vision.

Unfortunately I don't see any positives about 2009.

Worse still, the fact that Jarrod Anderson was sacked doesn't bode well for the coach many of us would like.

Still, all coaches need three years so there we go - one more year to come.

I didnt realise jarrod was let go, does anyone know why??



What about Rip taking over as coach? he seems to of done well with the wenty side.
 
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Absolutely nothing new in that article that we didn't already know but it still makes for very interesting reading, however one thing that will be intriguing is that whilst we're aware of Hagans fate beyond next year, will the Emperor go off half cocked again and sign a coach without the process of interviewing potential candadates? and as Hevy has indicated, where does that leave us with the most obvious replacement out of all this given that his brother was retrenched from the club 2 weeks ago and a day before his wife gave birth to a baby boy and the fact that Daniel Anderson has now been heavily linked to Penrith for next season.

Gee.

What a great place to work.

so let me take my crystal ball out for a moment.

I honestly think whilst the issue will be discussed at the next board meeting it won't be until the October board meeting that Hagan's fate will be stamped in ink and he will be told by November 1 I then believe Fitzy will pesure an assistant coach to work with Hagan next season before he takes over and will look at a young and up and coming coach and for that reason I don't see him being a current NRL coach so if I had to make a prediction of the potential candadates then I believe these 3 could well be linked to our club before a final decision is made.

Shane Flanagan
Stephen Kearney
Matt Cameron

I like the first name.

( or any past contracted player from the Western Reds lol)

:lol: :lol:

You seriously need to let that comment go.

You seriously need to get a sense of humour.
 

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Shane Flanagan is firming as the choice for 2010 but dont discount Daniel Anderson.
Anderson is a realist who is aware that its all business.
Pehaps Flanagan or someone like Rip may be a better choice anyway? They would be definately cheaper and may be just as good as Anderson.
I wonder how Rip would sit in the pecking order? He has done a great job with the Wenty side and may be the strict disciplinarian that we need.

Anyway its all speculation. Although my mail is that Hagan is definately out and when informed will probably walk at the end of THIS YEAR. Who knows what will happen?
Hell Fitzy may even give him 3 more years to spite everyone!
 

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to be brutally honst I'm not sure whether Rip would have aspirations to be a fulltime coach I think at his age he'd be happy to do it part time while travelling from the central Coast where he lives and works fulltime at Wyong Leagues club.
 

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I've got one, trust me you need it to keep up with some of the crap that gets dished up. I am just over that comment because it wasn't the only thing said.

yep that's right he also said he did a great job balancing the squad within the sallary cap and given our performance this year many would argue aginst that also.

but anyway I believe our new football manger is Phil Moss so good luck to him and hope he does a great job next year while Andrew does the same taking over Greg (who??) Mitchels role as General Manager of football operations.
 

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but anyway I believe our new football manger is Phil Moss so good luck to him and hope he does a great job next year while Andrew does the same taking over Greg (who??) Mitchels role as General Manager of football operations.

How do you go from Corporate Sales and Marketing to Football Manager?
 

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to be brutally honst I'm not sure whether Rip would have aspirations to be a fulltime coach I think at his age he'd be happy to do it part time while travelling from the central Coast where he lives and works fulltime at Wyong Leagues club.

You are right of course - age wise, Rip would probably disqualify himself anyway.
Anyway there are more important things to address than who is the figure - head at the helm.
We need to address the culture and fitness before this.
 

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